ICMAG Administration endorses The Regulate, Control and Tax Cannabis Act of 2010

[StoneElemental]

50$ an ounce in just taxes sounds ridiculous! That sure sounds like the government trying to cut off a piece too large for their own share. A lower percent based tax would be more fair and viable. If any of this is true it sure seems like one fascist Iron Grip for the buyer. I mean you have sales tax plus that then others? Everyone might aswell toss a couple beans in the soil at home and say fuck buying. I am in no way against taxes and I think this bill is a good idea but I'm not sure about whats been stated here I'm going to do some of my own looking into this.

-S.E.

The article also states that the tax is $50 an ounce. If the mids are $40 an ounce, then you can sell some killer at atleast $100 an O. Prices will definitely fall, but, you are still making money.

 

[StoneElemental]

This sounds like an overall horrible idea! Cali the only outpost for weed? Nah fuck that with a jagged stick. We're not trying to be european here and you guys can be fuckin' amsterdam with the only good and legal weed around. This is supposed to be America fella! One state gets it and the rest want it you better believe it's going to happen and you can bet your ass that the rest of the states with high percentages of med and recreational users won't stand for Cali being the only legal place for it. And as for your little investment good for you. Reserving the names are a better idea then selling not buying and trying to sell. Sounds like an uncertain early foolhardy investment. With great risk does come great reward but more often than not you lose. I sure hope you're not one of those big pieces of commercial scum everyone on here despises so much.

-S.E.

I hope CA maintains exclusivity on the nation's cannabis production - both medicinal and recreational. It's ok if NV legalizes imo.. But I'm starting a site - WeedResorts.com/WeedResort.com which will feature the best of the best of resorts and reservations that are cannabis friendly (You can smoke weed while kayaking, playing golf, playing at the casino, etc) we book rooms and collect a commission. We'll also have the best Bed & Breakfasts of Mendocino County featured on there.

I'm really excited I bought like 5-6 .com's for this new industry. Can't wait to see them grow just like those dank chronic plants

somebody bought cannabisextracts.com in late 2009.. that's going to be worth a huge sum of money someday... imagine the potential behind a site like that...

 

[igrowone]

I hope CA maintains exclusivity on the nation's cannabis production - both medicinal and recreational. It's ok if NV legalizes imo.. But I'm starting a site - WeedResorts.com/WeedResort.com which will feature the best of the best of resorts and reservations that are cannabis friendly (You can smoke weed while kayaking, playing golf, playing at the casino, etc) we book rooms and collect a commission. We'll also have the best Bed & Breakfasts of Mendocino County featured on there.

I'm really excited I bought like 5-6 .com's for this new industry. Can't wait to see them grow just like those dank chronic plants

somebody bought cannabisextracts.com in late 2009.. that's going to be worth a huge sum of money someday... imagine the potential behind a site like that...

this is bit aside from your post, but you may have mentioned the 'alliance' that could be the doom of illegal MJ in the US
if cali does do this legalization(please no more it's not legalization, we've heard that enough), nevada could be the next state
DEA isn't happy with cali and it's prop 19, but i don't think that's their real fear
there really afraid of the 2nd state to legalize
and nevada has always had a sense of what they need to do to keep going financially, and they need something bad, seeing a lot of pain on their economic stats
but 2 states could start a tidal wave, and that is what DEA is determined to stop(but i think it's getting out of their control)

 

[kinesis]

this is bit aside from your post, but you may have mentioned the 'alliance' that could be the doom of illegal MJ in the US
if cali does do this legalization(please no more it's not legalization, we've heard that enough), nevada could be the next state
DEA isn't happy with cali and it's prop 19, but i don't think that's their real fear
there really afraid of the 2nd state to legalize
and nevada has always had a sense of what they need to do to keep going financially, and they need something bad, seeing a lot of pain on their economic stats
but 2 states could start a tidal wave, and that is what DEA is determined to stop(but i think it's getting out of their control)

I highly doubt it's going to spread outside CA or NV... Lawmakers are too conservative. There isn't enough lobby for it. We'll see though. I certainly hope CA maintains it's exclusivity. We get WEED & WINE and Nevada gets GAMBLING & BROTHELS.

It's only fair. I think states should loosen their MED MJ laws and have to go through ten years of BS like California did. It's only fair. If anything WeedResorts will make me wads of money every month until the end when I shut the site down I guess... Then invest my capital into another venture.

 

[igrowone]

I highly doubt it's going to spread outside CA or NV... Lawmakers are too conservative. There isn't enough lobby for it. We'll see though. I certainly hope CA maintains it's exclusivity. We get WEED & WINE and Nevada gets GAMBLING & BROTHELS.

It's only fair. I think states should loosen their MED MJ laws and have to go through ten years of BS like California did. It's only fair. If anything WeedResorts will make me wads of money every month until the end when I shut the site down I guess... Then invest my capital into another venture.

there are many states that don't want anything approaching legal MJ, and that will not change quickly
i think the word i was searching for was tide as opposed to tidal wave, slow and relentless as opposed to some quick event
but the federal level is not an immovable object, rescheduling is quite possible
and who knows what the supreme court might do, lot of variables in play here
which i think leads in the direction you mentioned, more MMJ in a good number of states
can't call it legal, but close enough for many

 

[kinesis]

if anything it should be like, weed is legal in other states, but you have to mail order it online from california.. And you can get it in nevada but only at licensed casinos (in 2012). I dont see anything wrong with mail ordering from CA


I think CA should maintain exclusivity on the Cannabis Industry, I think people should be forced to buy quality cannabis online. I am a Californian and believe that people in other states need to work just as hard as Californian's did to get this legal. We went through over ten years (1996) of Medical Marijuana hassles, raids, etc. I don't think it's fair for other states to get this privilege right out of the box. I feel Obama should respect Californians and allow them to have the corporate monopoly on cannabis distribution in the US. It's only fair, Nevada gets prostitution and gambling, we get Weed & Wine.

Or, if they are allowed to cultivate and possess and buy at stores, CA should always have the monopoly on the best weed in the USA.. Regardless, mail order vacuum sealed packages through interstate commerce and online sites will soon be a dream come true.

 

[StoneElemental]

Sure 'cause none of the other states have done any of this over tens of years anyway right? Arrogance on display, other states have not been nearly as successful with more persecution and tighter assed conservatives than Cali can shake a stick at. If Cali thinks it has bible thumpers and hardcore conservatives I dare you to come check out the eastern united states. I apologize to the rest of the folks on the west coast, but the more I experience this west coast attitude the more it sickens me. It seems so pathetic narcissistic and weak. I myself will continue to try to help mmj first get passed in my own state then recreational use which could take enormous amounts of effort and time compared to california. Try living in a state thats in excess of 200 years old, sure thats not much by worldwide standards but hey! in american standards it sure beats anything west of the mississippi river. I don't want to divide or isolate anyone here let alone demean however I've even been there: cali, arizona,and nevada and I gotta say It's pretty fuckin' different and lax.

-S.E.

I highly doubt it's going to spread outside CA or NV... Lawmakers are too conservative. There isn't enough lobby for it. We'll see though. I certainly hope CA maintains it's exclusivity. We get WEED & WINE and Nevada gets GAMBLING & BROTHELS.

It's only fair. I think states should loosen their MED MJ laws and have to go through ten years of BS like California did. It's only fair. If anything WeedResorts will make me wads of money every month until the end when I shut the site down I guess... Then invest my capital into another venture.

 

[StoneElemental]

Again this is more than fair right? Because nobody around the rest of the country has been persecuted either. Oh wait theres one major difference we have stricter laws. And mail order from Cali? that must be a joke! The entire country is hurting and our next viable option limited to 1-2 states who are no where near entitled to it. You sir are out yo' damn head.

-S.E.

if anything it should be like, weed is legal in other states, but you have to mail order it online from california.. And you can get it in nevada but only at licensed casinos (in 2012). I dont see anything wrong with mail ordering from CA


I think CA should maintain exclusivity on the Cannabis Industry, I think people should be forced to buy quality cannabis online. I am a Californian and believe that people in other states need to work just as hard as Californian's did to get this legal. We went through over ten years (1996) of Medical Marijuana hassles, raids, etc. I don't think it's fair for other states to get this privilege right out of the box. I feel Obama should respect Californians and allow them to have the corporate monopoly on cannabis distribution in the US. It's only fair, Nevada gets prostitution and gambling, we get Weed & Wine.

Or, if they are allowed to cultivate and possess and buy at stores, CA should always have the monopoly on the best weed in the USA.. Regardless, mail order vacuum sealed packages through interstate commerce and online sites will soon be a dream come true.

 

[localhero]

I highly doubt it's going to spread outside CA or NV... Lawmakers are too conservative. There isn't enough lobby for it. We'll see though. I certainly hope CA maintains it's exclusivity. We get WEED & WINE and Nevada gets GAMBLING & BROTHELS.

It's only fair. I think states should loosen their MED MJ laws and have to go through ten years of BS like California did. It's only fair. If anything WeedResorts will make me wads of money every month until the end when I shut the site down I guess... Then invest my capital into another venture.

i get the feeling your posts are not serious. i dont know of any weed resorts being built in anticipation. and if there were, someone with more money and a better seo guy will walk right over you with- theweedresorts.com / budresorts.com/ greenyelp.com / budresort.com / whatever.

nabbing up names to get rich is so 1994. your internet site should be an extension of your real material business. unless your site is:

caliweednevadagreedtherestofamericanothing.com

 

[kinesis]

Sure 'cause none of the other states have done any of this over tens of years anyway right? Arrogance on display, other states have not been nearly as successful with more persecution and tighter assed conservatives than Cali can shake a stick at. If Cali thinks it has bible thumpers and hardcore conservatives I dare you to come check out the eastern united states. I apologize to the rest of the folks on the west coast, but the more I experience this west coast attitude the more it sickens me. It seems so pathetic narcissistic and weak. I myself will continue to try to help mmj first get passed in my own state then recreational use which could take enormous amounts of effort and time compared to california. Try living in a state thats in excess of 200 years old, sure thats not much by worldwide standards but hey! in american standards it sure beats anything west of the mississippi river. I don't want to divide or isolate anyone here let alone demean however I've even been there: cali, arizona,and nevada and I gotta say It's pretty fuckin' different and lax.

-S.E.

The $50 an ounce tax was Ammiano's bill. This is Prop 19, which allows local cities to regulate the taxes (usually between 7-10%). San Jose already dictated they want 10%.

 

[kinesis]

i get the feeling your posts are not serious. i dont know of any weed resorts being built in anticipation. and if there were, someone with more money and a better seo guy will walk right over you with- theweedresorts.com / budresorts.com/ greenyelp.com / budresort.com / whatever.

nabbing up names to get rich is so 1994. your internet site should be an extension of your real material business. unless your site is:

caliweednevadagreedtherestofamericanothing.com

Nabbing names to get "rich" ended in the 90's, but developing sites to get chunks of money every month on affiliate advertising has not ended. All my names will be developed into sites, or it's a wasted registration fee. The reasons names sell for such high dollars is because of that fact - once developed their potential is realized and you get that monthly check from affiliate advertising or being a reseller. Weed is a more powerful keyword than bud green cannabis.. More people would type weed friendly resort or weed resort than cannabis friendly resort into google. Also the attraction is in the simplicity of the name, the shorter the better - and usually plural (ending in -s) is worth more depending on the industry.

I've been doing this since the 90's dude. I know

There are going to be plenty of hotels/resorts/etc that are NOT weed friendly and are in cities where it will not be regulated. People will be able to use my site as a resource and when they click to book a room it goes through a PHP script that grants me like 10% of the comission if they buy a room. The word 'weed' is the most powerful cannabis keyword on the net. Check Google Adwords tool. I think it ranks with pot too. A lot of people still call it pot. I mirrored this venture off of WineResort.com - South Coast Winery in Temecula, California.

I honestly dont see it being legalized across the whole nation and thank goodness CA will always have the top quality stuff making us the dominant dog in the industry.

Of course there will be other companies trying to do the same thing as me, but everyone gets their fair share of traffic through Google Advertising. Traffic is traffic, as long as it comes in and gives you clicks you're good.

 

[BiG H3rB Tr3E]

LOL... who are you supposed to be....ahahahahaha. Tell me again why I have to listen to you???? YOu sure seem like a badass... but hey this is only the internet.

Make a buck chuck!

I hope people are starting to wake up and see the people who are backing this prop19 with all there insults and lack of respect with how you vote. They most likely will loose alot of money if this prop fails and the overall lack of concern for your welfare just so that they can have a joint and grow a few plants is their only concern. So vote your however you feel and remember the people who are being put in charge with the passing of prop19 are not your friend and the people who are voting yes do not seem to be either... well that is if you do not see it their way.

I am a veteran, apache indian and mmj user. I am voting no as this bill will most likely lead to more trouble than anything we can imagine.

Jail being the biggest one, banning of any and all sales in cities near you. Possible effect of prop215 and 420.

vote as you see fit and do not let the insults and arogance rule your thoughts or decisions.

somebody call the waaaambulance

Go ahead and vote no. Your vote is the equivilant of a twig trying to stop an avalanche.

its 2010 .... let the reLEGALIZATION begin !!!!!

 

[dagnabit]

in your own words... once and for all... please stop lying.

your emotionally charged lies that people who want a better bill are against your rights is pathetic nonsense. don;t forget to call him greedy while you're at it. lol.

forget about GanjaAl's redundant posting of "proven lies" (which I am not commenting on). Your posts are lies not by their proven or unproven content, but by their calssification as PURE FALLACY. In other words: bullshit argument tactics. You talk about the anti- movement using fear to get their point across... you insult the character of anyone who stands in your way, regardless of what their true motivation might be. I call bullshit. With all due respect to valid points you have made in favor of this bill, I call Bullshit bullshit bullshit, on the tactics you use to shove it down throats.

you may be able to pull it here, but you wouldn't in a moderated political discussion by intelligent people.

call bullshit all you like...

but it does not change the truth.
if you are against my right to grow my own smoke in my own home you are a prohibitionist.
a vote against this bill IS a vote for continued prohibition.
the motivations matter a whole lot less than the end result.
a vote against this bill will have the end result of continued violations of my human rights by the state of california.
a vote for this bill insures my right to grow my own smoke in my own home.
would i like a bill that reads

every human on the planet has the right to grow,possess,process,sell,give ,barter any portion,extract,concentrate or any other product containing any portion of the cannabis plant without paying any tax or being subject to any penalty from any federal,state,or local law enforcement agency or be discriminated against by any group,club,business or employer. the use of cannabis is to be allowed in any place public or private by any person regardless of age,sex,race,creed or religion. no tax shall ever be collected on any sale or transfer of any aforementioned substance.

but to deny my rights (make no mistake that is what a no vote is) while you hold your breath for perfection is ludicrous at best and probably evil at its core.

and i dont think he is greedy at all...i think he has been duped into believing the status quo is not regulation.

 

[Guest 88950]

I hope people are starting to wake up and see the people who are backing this prop19...They most likely will loose alot of money if this prop fails and the overall lack of concern for your welfare just so that they can have a joint and grow a few plants is their only concern.

So vote your however you feel and remember the people who are being put in charge with the passing of prop19 are not your friend and the people who are voting yes do not seem to be either... well that is if you do not see it their way.

I am a veteran, apache indian and mmj user. I am voting no as this bill will most likely lead to more trouble than anything we can imagine.

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2. overall lack of concern of WHOSE welfare?
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3. “just so that they can have a joint and grow a few plants” – that’s the purpose of prop19
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4. remember whe else is voting NO, LEO, DEA, Prohibitionists and we KNOW they aren’t friends of Growers. which your not one.
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7. “most likely lead to more trouble” that’s a negative outlook playing on fear.

 

[Hydrosun]

call bullshit all you like...

but it does not change the truth.
if you are against my right to grow my own smoke in my own home you are a prohibitionist.

A vote for prop 19 still enforces prohibition on MANY ICmag CA growers that I know. You are voting for a prohibition of others while claiming a right for yourself.

It is immoral to tell an ICmager not to grow, be it 30sq' or 3,000,000sq'.

 

[dagnabit]

A vote for prop 19 still enforces prohibition on MANY ICmag CA growers that I know. You are voting for a prohibition of others while claiming a right for yourself.

It is immoral to tell an ICmager not to grow, be it 30sq' or 3,000,000sq'.

oic

i should not accept this bill because it only lets anyone who wants to grow in a certain MINIMUM area.

black and white thinking is not how i roll.
i understand nuance. you see those growers status will not change with 19 but mine will..
so no im not denying them anything..
i on the other hand will be denied so that they can win some convoluted moral victory!!!

there is the difference between you and i. i dont want to deny anyone anything.
you however would love to deny me the small modicum of freedom afforded by this proposal.
luckily for me you dont have that power.

 

[Hydrosun]

oic

i should not accept this bill because it only lets anyone who wants to grow in a certain MINIMUM area.

black and white thinking is not how i roll.
i understand nuance. you see those growers status will not change with 19 but mine will..
so no im not denying them anything..
i on the other hand will be denied so that they can win some convoluted moral victory!!!

there is the difference between you and i. i dont want to deny anyone anything.
you however would love to deny me the small modicum of freedom afforded by this proposal.
luckily for me you dont have that power.

You said it not me brother, if you don't want to let me use my house to grow as I see fit you are a prohibitionist.

You made that point. I just agree with you.

 

[BiG H3rB Tr3E]

You said it not me brother, if you don't want to let me use my house to grow as I see fit you are a prohibitionist.

You made that point. I just agree with you.

If your growing illegally now, what difference will 19 make? Keep growing illegally and risk the penalty for doing so. You want to be a drug dealer? Than man the fuck up and quit your god damned sniviling...

At least with 19 you may have a chance to grow commercially through liscensing with your localities.

If 215 grants these rights to you, then 19 will not change anything.

If you can't understand this I understand your fear of trying to start a legitimate business, as it would require more than keeping your thumb in your ass and watching grass grow...

 

[Hydrosun]

If your growing illegally now, what difference will 19 make? Keep growing illegally and risk the penalty for doing so. You want to be a drug dealer? Than man the fuck up and quit your god damned sniviling...

At least with 19 you may have a chance to grow commercially through liscensing with your localities.

If 215 grants these rights to you, then 19 will not change anything.

If you can't understand this I understand your fear of trying to start a legitimate business, as it would require more than keeping your thumb in your ass and watching grass grow...

Such anger from a stoner. If you vote to make 30sq' gardens ILLEGAL you are supporting PROHIBITION. A vote for 19 is a vote for PROHIBITION, because as Dagnabit said, not allowing me to grow my own on my own land is prohibition.

You think your limitations on other's gardens is fine. I think you are a hypocrite for growing and preaching to others that they follow the law. 110% legal is not violating federal schedule one, just FYI.

 

[rives]

This is beyond bizarre. We’ve got a non-resident that is advocating voting against a measure that takes care of all of the reasons that I was reticent to both smoke and grow for the last forty years. Let’s see: no more employment issues based on some bullshit test that shows that you got high three weeks before on your own time (employer must show “actual impairment”); ability to grow your own and avoid either the black market or ridiculously high prices at a dispensary (not to mention knowing how the plant was raised); no worries about carrying the amount of herb that I am likely to be taking outside of my home; and most recently, no more worries about being kicked out of a pain management program because I test positive for pot without a cert. Yes, I have read all of the bullshit about how everything is taken care of with a 215 cert. I personally find it offensive to go and see some otherwise-unemployable quack after waiting in a room full of healthy young stoners, and then not have him even glance at the voluminous documentation that I brought with me. Personally, I have enough genuine medical issues that I already consider it a huge invasion of privacy to have Worker’s Comp, Social Security, the state of California, etc. picking through my files. It has already been discussed ad nauseam the effects of having more than one possession ticket on your record. Add to that little things like CCW permitting, and this prop looks wonderful. But no, we should reject it based on some vague morality issue brought forth by people whom it doesn’t even impact! Bullshit.