L.A. Begins Closing Medical Cannabis Clubs

[tamio]

I heard today that Obama will not be using any more federal funds against our girls, distributors or growers! I've not checked the site or any other media for that matter well enough, but I don't think i've seen anything about this yet.... ??

 

[Moldy Dreads]

I heard today that Obama will not be using any more federal funds against our girls, distributors or growers! I've not checked the site or any other media for that matter well enough, but I don't think i've seen anything about this yet.... ??

The clubs are being shut down by State police though right? tHis isn't DEA I believe..

 

[Kiffen]

The clubs are being shut down by State police though right? tHis isn't DEA I believe..

I would suggest that you calmly go back and actually read the entire thread.

Its not state police, that would be the CHP. Nor is it the city police the LAPD.

It is a order from the Los Angeles City Council. They contol permits for businesses within the city.

here is the article in case you missed it in the initial post.

http://online.wsj.com/article/SB124701451791309199.html?mod=googlenews_wsj

Here is a quote I grabbed from said article in case you find the read to be too long and boring for you.

"But on Tuesday, the Los Angeles City Council told him to shut down his dispensary, part of a broad crackdown against a growing and unregulated marijuana industry. More than 600 dispensaries have taken advantage of a loophole in city regulations to open shop here in the past two years."


Reading is fundamental.

Lets keep is civil, these are public forums and anyone from the press may decide to quote its users at anytime. Don't believe me? Watch CNN? they quote unknown web users all day long.

MMJ is very newsworthy at the moment and this is one of the largest sites regarding Cannabis on a international level. Think before you post.

Thank you.

 

[TheMintMan]

This thread started with several posters saying that "there are too many dispensaries", "most are corrupt and only care about $", "most sell poison, bad medicine or medicine that hurts" lol, and a bunch of other accusations that the coops are the bad guys. Then Joe said his posts were getting deleted by the mods, and truly it seemed like his posts would magically get edited, and he claimed it was a mod...

Now I would just like some clarification as to why people are saying that most clubs suck because they sell poison, bad meds, don't suck the patients dick, or whatever the ludicrous complaints are. Where is the evidence and proof that most clubs do this or that they are evil for getting herb from a bunch of sources and deliberately selling patients poison...sounds like a tin hat wearing conspiracy theory or something...I don't want bad rep or to start any flame war, just I live here, am a patient, go to many clubs in between harvests and don't see this attitude these people claim are so prevalent. 2 years ago they shut every single coop in san diego down, was it because the coops were evil? No it is because many people have interests in closing clubs down, specially street dealers who want to keep prices high.. You gotta be kidding me with these accusations of all the club bud being poison......and what, are business owners not supposed to make money?

How it got side tracked into this veteran BS I have no clue..we're talking about CLUBS IN L.A. getting shut down

I'm not saying 'most' anything. And I definitely don't want to see anybody who's just trying to spread the good weed and make a living at the same time get shut down. I'm just saying as with any industry where a consumable product is involved (whether smoked, eaten, or whathaveyou) that there should be some kind of 'quality control' protocol in place because there are clubs out there selling bunk weed whether you believe it or not...I've seen it.

It's not necessarily a bad thing that they are starting to regulate the MMJ industry, it's just the way they are going about it isn't the best.

And as far as the street dealers wanting to shut down the co-ops to keep prices high. It's not the prices they can't compete with, it's the selection and the reliability. I've never seen a street dealer try and sell an 1/8th for 75 bucks, but I see it all the time at dispensaries. Not that I'm hating, because they have overhead, but I'm just saying...

 

[nephilthim]

you assume facts noy in evidendence who is going to test mj?for chemicals ?there is no august body to submitt each strain of mj too.
wow you actually went to a coop you didn't like,and you kept going to that same coop right?wrong!
a free market society is one where people choose daily which businesses they wish to patronize.regualtion does not mean quality ,quanity, price will go down.all that the city would have to do in theory is wait,and market forces will seperate the shitty clubs from the good .yea I am sure you were out there protesting a starbucks opening with a group of protesters not..
you can't define a free market thru goverment. or say people are out for the $while selling varying quality bud.you are engaging in conjecture,and assuming undefined facts.
unless a dispensary owner specifically told you his ambitions your are just speculating without anyevidentiary basis.
so try to keep the comments rooted in reality not fantasyland.

 

[TheMintMan]

you assume facts noy in evidendence who is going to test mj?for chemicals ?there is no august body to submitt each strain of mj too.
wow you actually went to a coop you didn't like,and you kept going to that same coop right?wrong!
a free market society is one where people choose daily which businesses they wish to patronize.regualtion does not mean quality ,quanity, price will go down.all that the city would have to do in theory is wait,and market forces will seperate the shitty clubs from the good .yea I am sure you were out there protesting a starbucks opening with a group of protesters not..
you can't define a free market thru goverment. or say people are out for the $while selling varying quality bud.you are engaging in conjecture,and assuming undefined facts.
unless a dispensary owner specifically told you his ambitions your are just speculating without anyevidentiary basis.
so try to keep the comments rooted in reality not fantasyland.

What the hell are you talking about? Saying that a "free market" is going to regulate a medical industry is just plain stupid. So when all these pills that the pharma companies are pushing onto society turn out to be poison (i.e. vioxx) the government should just stay out of it and let the "free market" figure it out?

Of course there is no "august body" to test the chemical composition of mmj yet, because nothing has been set up. If the government got involved, it would be easier to obtain funding for necessary equipment (i.e. GC/MS).

If you knew anything about me you'd know I don't base anything on this "fantasyland" you speak of. The only assumptions I see are yours.

 

[subrob]

i got ya. thank you for the clarification.
---as far as the rest of the arguments go, i dont think the two sides are that far apart here.-the anti club stance has to acknowledge not all people in the business are crooks, or even greedy pricks. the pro club stance has to admit there are greedy muthas who couldnt give a shit less about meds, patients, quality etc. welcome to the wild west! it will all continue until californians get sick of it and legalize and tax it. only then will quality really matter. in order for a free market to exist, it must be free. and its not yet. i have gone to the clubs on and off for a few years, and i wouldnt smoke 90% of the crap they sell. of course, im kinda spoiled...and that being said, couple weeks ago i got an eighth of some of the best canna ive smoked in years!- ogherijuanna, from a club here in san diego.

They CAN become patients but they can not possess on federal property. The laws that are enforced on that land are federal and have nothing to do with state laws.

The patients I am talking about are/will be living on the VA land in a massive mental/ physical heath facility, and will be subject to federal laws enforced by the police on the VA grounds, since the land is federal and not part of the state, they enforce federal laws not state. It would be unwise to posess any amount on federal land regardless of your status as a mmj patient.

 

[PkRipper]

yup that means in cali if you go to a NATIONAL FOREST to go hunting camping or watever you better leave yuor meds at home........
national forerst are FEDERAL LAND aswell.

 

[Guest]

i have no idea how my posts were edited<<if at all they just wouldnt say what i was typing<<<and the editing was quite selective ??? wasnt accusing anyone in particular>>>JUST TRYING TO BE A PART OF THE DISCUSSION about LA clubs>>>


and its about as hard to find REALLY good herb OR HASH!!! in clubs<<<as it is on the streets<<<just MORE EXPENSIVE>>>

NOT talking ALL clubs<<,been in and out of a few<<<and alot of those>>.simply put>>>are ran by uneducated( IN THE MJ FIELD)>>>people.

people that couldnt tell PM from frost.>>>

few have a VAST herbal KNOWLEDGE<<<and its just a much more pleasnt experience when your dealing with somebody who KNOWS GOOD HERB FROM ok herb

and i would say>>>i mean if you were going to open a med club>>>SHOULDNT YOU AT LEAST KNOW A LITTLE BIT ABOUT WHAT YOUR SELLING??

i dont think there can ever be too many clubs>>>

and the VETS thing is just another example of the gov>>BACKWARDS BS laws<<<
f*%KING with some of the people that can gain from it most<<<PDSD>>aint NO JOKE.

and HEY SKIP>>>mod dude>>>i have no bad feeling tword you accusing me of making that stuff upand BREAKING the rules???<<honest mistake

 

[TheMintMan]

joeshmoe: PM me with the full text of one of your posts..uncensored..before you post it. i'm curious. Maybe it's illegible so it's being edited out of courtesy?

 

[hoosierdaddy]

...often more efficiently and effectively than the legislature who still can't pass a budget and are responsible for the ever spreading shutdown of government services.

IMO, it is the installation of the government services, along with creation of more dependency as a result, that leads us to where we are today. If the government kept it's nose where it belonged, and concentrated on keeping the people safe from foreign and domestic dangers (as it was intended to do and no more) then we wouldn't have a problem with herb. The free market and the human spirit can handle all thing MJ quite well without the intervention of the stinking assed government.
More government services, less freedoms for you and me. Oh yeah, the left minded folks think that the gov is what its all about, but they are sourly mistaken. Both common sense, as well as history, shows that more government controls, including these so called "services", does nothing but bring about the ruination of a free society.

IMO, a MJ advocate should be damning ANY and ALL government services and all that they imply.

 

[157]

well we all know how a few decide for many in this is a classic example for us all to see how the law works for and agaist us so its not so much as to what you do as is how you do what you do wink wink no this is surely one to gow on

 

[nephilthim]

Man, where have you been? People talk shit about starbucks all the time for having a store on damn near every corner. The cookie-cutter vibe makes my city look bad and attracts a lot of vagrants for some reason.

Problem I have with all the unregulated pot shops isn't that they're there or that there are a particular number of them...it's that with lack of regulation comes lack of quality control. And when it comes to medicine- that can be dangerous. Not to mention the fact that you never really know what the quality of that 1/8th you just bought is until you get home and find out it looks nice, smells nice, and smokes like ass.

Free markets are all good and fine concepts to talk about, but when it comes to making sure nobody is spraying shit on my buds to make them "sparkle" more or limiting the number of shops that can open to those who are able to keep trained and knowledgable "bud-tenders" (like pharmacy techs)...I'll settle for a little regulation. So long as we all get our say in it of course.

so what the hell you implying here how are you going to regulate an industry and how is regulation a free market?you want your weed certified?who's to define quality?a lot of clubs allow sampling meds and or hash bars.
so according to you I need a fucking white coat to make blood pressure go up?there reasons why some clubs are better than others,is because more people tend to frequent quality places.and hence the shitty clubs can't pay bills and close.its not like anyone is going to frequent a club that lacks the following..
2 things quality and prices those being subjective to ones viewpoint everything else is a matter of personal perspective.

 

[Zeinth]

money...

money...

At least harborside coop says they test there medical cannabis.


I say its all about money!

truck loads of cash some coops make.

being a patient ive seen vendors come in to a coop...with superbomb goods!!....a get turned down cuz they wanted 180 an oz.

that coop capped at 65...that coop grows there own meds..all of it.

it sick...cuz they beg for a super clone from someone on here...then make thousands on it growing it in there warehouses...

then ass rape a sick patient out of cash for meds...


when will the people amend the 420/215 law and make the state grow our medicine??

wait...they cant..there 26.8 billion in debt!!

 

[TheMintMan]

so what the hell you implying here how are you going to regulate an industry and how is regulation a free market?

Every industry is regulated somehow. When did I say I wanted to be the decider of everything? I'm simply suggesting that letting things go all willy-nilly the way they have been leads to all the problems we've been having and the reason many people still have a negative view of MMJ. We need to get together and decide what is acceptable, and what is not. That's how our country maintains order. If you want complete anarchy that's fine, but I prefer a lean system...not no system.

you want your weed certified?who's to define quality?a lot of clubs allow sampling meds and or hash bars.

I don't know who would define the quality. Again, no organization has been set up because we are all still in a legal grey area.

so according to you I need a fucking white coat to make blood pressure go up?

No idea what you're talking about...as usual. But if you're asking if I only want to go see a doctor or get my medication from a pharmacist who is licensed the answer is YES! I don't like to gamble with my health.

there reasons why some clubs are better than others,is because more people tend to frequent quality places.and hence the shitty clubs can't pay bills and close.its not like anyone is going to frequent a club that lacks the following..

That's simply delusional. There are stores open in every city in the world that are shite. Just less in other areas of food/health industries than in MMJ because they are regulated...for health reasons. MMJ has no such regulation, so a place could be exercising any number of dubious practices to improve their bottom line like spraying shit on their buds to make them look more "sparkly" or make them heavier...seen it. If you haven't yet, consider yourself lucky. But just because you haven't experienced something, doesn't mean it doesn't exist.

 

[Moppel]

In 2008 there were around 234 coffee shops in Amsterdam

In 2009 we have 600 or so collectives and dispensaries in L.A.

In Amsterdam life less than a million people. How much in LA?

 

[TheMintMan]

In Amsterdam life less than a million people. How much in LA?

Good catch.

EDIT: LA pop in 2008 was 9,864,049 (not including undocumented immigrants...which probably doubles it). Amsterdam had about 10 percent of that.

 

[nephilthim]

Every industry is regulated somehow. When did I say I wanted to be the decider of everything? I'm simply suggesting that letting things go all willy-nilly the way they have been leads to all the problems we've been having and the reason many people still have a negative view of MMJ. We need to get together and decide what is acceptable, and what is not. That's how our country maintains order. If you want complete anarchy that's fine, but I prefer a lean system...not no system.



I don't know who would define the quality. Again, no organization has been set up because we are all still in a legal grey area.



No idea what you're talking about...as usual. But if you're asking if I only want to go see a doctor or get my medication from a pharmacist who is licensed the answer is YES! I don't like to gamble with my health.



That's simply delusional. There are stores open in every city in the world that are shite. Just less in other areas of food/health industries than in MMJ because they are regulated...for health reasons. MMJ has no such regulation, so a place could be exercising any number of dubious practices to improve their bottom line like spraying shit on their buds to make them look more "sparkly" or make them heavier...seen it. If you haven't yet, consider yourself lucky. But just because you haven't experienced something, doesn't mean it doesn't exist.

so the shiite stores of the world deserve your money and your patronage right?like a moth to flame I'm going back to a shitty dispensary ?or a shitty dispensary is gonna waste their time spraying something that costs$when they can just rip you off outright?,and Ill just come back and hand them more cash?the free market is just that free from the banal assertions unsubstiated by your part by any coop.
you know whats delusional is the hypocrisy of your assertions.
since when is opening a store anarchy?maybe theres 600 dispensaries because most of the other cities in so cal have banned them.
these stores that opened justify their need by the mere fact that they are open and operating .how many starbucks, pizza ,liquor stores are there?leave em alone if they serve a need then they will have the economic justification for remaining open and serving the public,if not their business will fail.

 

[TheMintMan]

so the shiite stores of the world deserve your money and your patronage right?like a moth to flame I'm going back to a shitty dispensary ?or a shitty dispensary is gonna waste their time spraying something that costs$when they can just rip you off outright?,and Ill just come back and hand them more cash?the free market is just that free from the banal assertions unsubstiated by your part by any coop.
you know whats delusional is the hypocrisy of your assertions.
since when is opening a store anarchy?maybe theres 600 dispensaries because most of the other cities in so cal have banned them.
these stores that opened justify their need by the mere fact that they are open and operating .how many starbucks, pizza ,liquor stores are there?leave em alone if they serve a need then they will have the economic justification for remaining open and serving the public,if not their business will fail.

You're missing the point. You don't have to go back. They don't need repeat business from everyone. Sucker born every minute.

I can't even debate with you. Your responses are so frantic and off point it's ridic.

Peace.

 

[nephilthim]

so quoting p.t. barnum means anything.you want to complain about something thats questionable,undefined,but you don't proffer a solution just you dubious opine,sure you can't debate ill agree with you there.