Why has no-one feminised the REAL Cheese???

[Guest]

I have a target for a breeding... I want to find the Cali-o clone and cross it to the Hindu Kush to stabilize something orangy. It might take some time, but starting with a recessive male will give me the best chance of allowing that orange trait to shine through unhindered.

Sounds like Black Domina to me, it has a pheno that is extremely orangey and very lovely, I have one a few days from harvest now, I'll take some pics when I chop her, she's a beauty.

I've got a Tibetan x South African that tastes like Organe Liquer too, just smoking some of that one now, very sativa heady high.

 

[Crazy Composer]

I've been looking for real deal Durban Poison, too, but no luck. I want the one with the licorice flavor. 100% sativa, but with a short finish period. Mentioning South Africa reminded me of that.

Black Domina is one I haven't tried yet. People tell me the Cali-O tastes as much like oranges as cannabis gets, and I know that clone is out there somewhere. Must... Find... :smile:

 

[Guest]

Go buy some Swet Afghan Delicious by Sweet Seeds, 20 bucks for 3, it's an S1 of the Black Domina pheno I mentioned and it's superb indeed, little variation, all the plants have a strong orange taste and a knockout stone, really a great deal and a superb smoke.

If you want a licourice tasting plant that's fairly short, try Swazi, it's similar to Durban in lots of ways, Nirvana's Swazi is surprisingly good and it has a licourice/earthy pheno which I really liked a lot, its about 70-75 days from what I recall. Took 100 12/12 from seeds and stayed under 2 feet.

 

[Elevator Man]

Interesting points made - thanks Crazy Composer for laying it out so neatly. My limited experiences with my Flo males have shown similar results, especially with the Skunk #1 crosses I made.

The Skunk used was insanely fruity, in a synthetic sort of a way - like CD marker pens or something. But after crossing with Flo, I've smelled and smoked several phenos that were nothing like the original Skunk, and not like the Flo either - ranging from banana to sugary-sweet, and most importanly, the most recent one, which whilst not cheesy, is definitely in the same terpenoid 'range', and has a dank, dirty, mean back-end that makes you a little bit wary when you smoke it - it's also more potent than the original Skunk too.

But it shows that Skunk itself is probably only stabilised in certain areas, and smell/flavour isn't one of them - I got three massively different phenos in my original pack, not all fruity - they were from Sam's original stock as supplied to Seedsman a few years ago. Very stable in structure, flower-time, yield etc., but considerable variation in aromatics - one was one of the weirdest-smelling plants I've ever experienced.

Sadly nearly all the pics are long-deleted, but the thread discussing the odd smells I got is here - incidentally the weirdest two phenos (including a 13-week monster) were accidentally crossed to one or both of the Flo due to breezes, and they are as yet, still 'ungrown'...

http://www.icmag.com/ic/showthread.php?t=42360

 

[Chiefsmokingbud]

speaking of sk#1. If I'm not mistaken the cheese pheno was found in some of Sam's sk#1. I grew a boatload of those back in the day and i may have run across the cheese and paid it no mind but I'm pretty sure that it came from Sam's. Late 80's sounds about right. There's a reason sk#1 has been used in so many crosses. It adds bulk and is stable. The problem with the cheese is the unique smell comes from an uncommon recessive gene, that in itself can be hard to isolate when crossing it to other strains. Like Ganja said you would probably have to use a kush that won't dominate that trait. Since Sk#1 is made up of Afghani, Mexican gold ,and Colombian gold, it's hard to say where the recessive gene comes from.
Too bad we don't have the means to do DNA testing on it. That would probably make short work of finding where that gene comes from.

 

[Guest]

I'm still not sure about Skunk #1 as the two times I've grown it the plants were rather different, and Elevator Man's Skunks also looked different, so the state of the current 'Skunk' has muddied the waters, seems it varies depending on where you bought it.

 

[Eli Bloom]

cali-o is definitely as orange tasting as it'll get. i have a great cali-o X bubblegum that is the most citrusy i or anyone who's smoked it has encountered...i also have these south african durban poison X skunk 1 beans that i haven't popped...whats up.

 

[Ganja baba]

on the selfing the cheese front it has been done by breeders before , and it doesnt make cheese , sorry guys , try it ...

i have a new cross of cheese , the test plant is exactly cheese , banana man is growing it , it wont be long till there is cheese form every seed in the pack , will list some here , when they are done ..

i am all so making pineapple cheese cake , uk pineapple x cheese feminised cross
i am smoking chiesel by heath robinson , its amazing , it tastes of cheese and diesel , an even mix ...
we are getting cheese in our crosses , stay tuned for some cheesy posts ...

 

[Chiefsmokingbud]

I have seen simple crosses make more cheese than selfing it, go figure. The current sk#1 is varied from most places you get it. sam's back in the day were very uniform......he's not Sam the skunkman for nothing ya know.

 

[Pops]

Some like DP SK#1 have no Mexican in it. Theirs is Afghan x Thai x Col. Gold. Sams was (Colombian/Mazar x Mazar/ Colombian) x Ac. Gold.

 

[englishrick]

so your saying cheese is not!!... (skunk ibl) x (skunk ibl)...???

honestly i try my best to learn and read without talking first...i read thing 2 or 3 times an even then i dont get it all....

 

[Pops]

All I am saying is that there are different versions of Skunk. Sams was the first.

 

[englishrick]

but is cheese not skibl x skibl??

thanks for answing

 

[englishrick]

i am all so making pineapple cheese cake , uk pineapple x cheese feminised cross

this is what im talking about !!!

i just want to find a wickid flavour!!

i say using s1 pollen on another plant like ssh x ogka(feminised pollen)..is a wickid way of making sure both parents have the dominant flavour gene your line...this has to count for somehting???

an i also understand the only way to get a flat out cross is to use a distent gene pool

or am i wrong again???...im ok with that

 

[Elevator Man]

A friend's friend showed me a plant last year that he claimed was Seedsman's Skunk #1, which was about as far removed from mine as you can imagine. Small separated buds, very indica look, and a dirty, stinky, semi-cheesy smell - if I were American, I might have called it 'Roadkill'...

I was convinced he'd got his seeds mixed up, it was so different, but he swore blind it was. At £9.99 a pack, there were quite a few bought I guess...

 

[Chiefsmokingbud]

Rick, all cheese is - is a certain pheno of sk#1. It's not a cross or even inbred to get cheese. It's simply a pheno of sk#1. Lets say you had a pack of sk#1 from sam in the 80's, there is a slim chance you might be lucky enough to find this certain pheno in there. The cheese pheno has a cheesy smell, some say a berry or fruity taste and an uplifting high. To me an uplifting high is usually what i got from sk#1 anyway. Not exactly a sativa high but rather just a daytime smoke.

Oh btw , i wasn't aware there were so many variations of sk#1. I's a shame differnet breeders use different strains and still call it sk#1. It's a shame this happens and it just muddies the waters and adds confusion.
Sams skunk was the very first strain is grew when i started. Like i said, i may have even run across this pheno in all the ones i grew, but either just didn't notice, or did and just blew it off.

 

[Raco]

Rick, all cheese is - is a certain pheno of sk#1. It's not a cross or even inbred to get cheese. It's simply a pheno of sk#1. Lets say you had a pack of sk#1 from sam in the 80's, there is a slim chance you might be lucky enough to find this certain pheno in there. The cheese pheno has a cheesy smell, some say a berry or fruity taste and an uplifting high. To me an uplifting high is usually what i got from sk#1 anyway. Not exactly a sativa high but rather just a daytime smoke.

Oh btw , i wasn't aware there were so many variations of sk#1. I's a shame differnet breeders use different strains and still call it sk#1. It's a shame this happens and it just muddies the waters and adds confusion.
Sams skunk was the very first strain is grew when i started. Like i said, i may have even run across this pheno in all the ones i grew, but either just didn't notice, or did and just blew it off.

well put
"The Pure",grown outdoors in Spain,last season

 

[Pops]

Rick, if cheese had been SK#1 x SK#1, there would have been males and no need for S1s. As the Chief stated, cheese was simply a special female that had a unique terpene combination that gave it a great smell. There was no male showing that trait, so it became clone only.

 

[Raco]

Rick, if cheese had been SK#1 x SK#1, there would have been males and no need for S1s. As the Chief stated, cheese was simply a special female that had a unique terpene combination that gave it a great smell. There was no male showing that trait, so it became clone only.

Good point!

 

[englishrick]

what are you talking about........... ofcorse there was males..... the cheese was in a pack of sk1 but the guys took no notice of the males!!

an if it was found in a pack of sensi sk1 it should be pheno of (sk1ibl x sk1ibl)...

it might be a pheno but its blood sounds like ibl to me???