Then again getting Zero. Point. 1 Percent. into a bottle isn't exactly a leap of faith.CC
To each his own. But growing plants using some self described "vegan" method is probably one of the dumbest things I have ever heard.
So what's the point? Vegan? I usually laugh at those people. It's not as if ALL of our ancestors didn't eat meat. Just another cause without merit.
You're really the scientist here but don't know how much canna growing you've done especially indoors in containers. For me from cycle start to stop a noticeable difference in water drainage and retention. There's something else going on and maybe I need to be more like REv growing 4' plants in 5" containers lol...Sure, but from my trials before and after root growth the air porosity does not drop to a degree that matters, roots can increase air porosity by making larger pores in media that hold air and not water. Likewise, roots can reduce air porosity by reducing pore size in media. From my tests there was only a slight drop in air porosity and sometimes no drop. Likewise with water holding capacity; roots can both increase and decrease % water holding capacity but I didn't see a big difference. I did not conduct enough tests to form a solid opinion, however, from what I have found it's not a big difference either way, of course this depends upon the biomass of roots.
Well...I do not use MAP nor do I recommend that for small scale growers but some good points in what you posted in general about SRP/MAP and can tell you large scale biological growers do not use SRP. In fact when I brought up the SRP question it was recommended to use Tennessee Brown phosphate instead. Yeah you can provide all the necessary goodies from more preferred sources when on a small scale but a different story when dealing with a few hundred acres. I need to make a call and get more info though. Peeps I've been dealing with lately are not academics but practical applicants honoring the soil.It seems you are contributing to hard rock phosphate depletion more so than a person who uses SRP is contributing to the depletion of SRP because SRP is more sustainable and used in lower quantities. It seems to me using SRP in an biological organic farming system means it is more practical than using MAP in the same system or in a conventional farming system.
CNS17 Hydro Grow ~ http://www.americanagritech.com/fertilizers/cns17/cns17-hydro-growFWIW, below is my best effort to make an ideal chem fert mix using General Hydroponics Flora series to provide cannabis with sufficient level of elements. Ideally I would drop N to around 100 ppm so using maybe 3-4 ml of GH Micro and using 2.5 ml of CalMag+ might be better but I haven't done the math for that yet. The following mix is what I have been recently testing with ACT to see how it effects the microbes; no data to report as I haven't done enough testing yet. I have tested the following mix for growing cannabis without organics and it preformed better than the Lucas formula without excess ions found in the Lucas formula (which is based upon flawed claims by Ed Rosenthall, Mel Frank, George Cervantes, et al.):
Test mix with GH Grow/Micro/Bloom at 5/5/5 ml with CalMag+ at 5 ml and ProTeKt at 2.5 ml (all per gallon; along with citric acid to keep P anions soluble):
- Total N...140 ppm
- Nitrate N...130 ppm
- Ammonicial N...10 ppm
- P.....39 ppm
- K.....155 ppm
- Ca...126 ppm
- Mg...46 ppm
- S.....15 ppm
- Fe....3.1 ppm
- Mn...0.8 ppm
- Si.....56 ppm
- total PPM = 580
- Ca:Mg ratio = 2.7
- Nitrate N:Ammonicial N ratio = 13
Posted by Spurr
In terms of 'organic in a bottle' I am ardently opposed to "veg" and "bloom" versions. We can/should give the plant one fert all the time, the plant will take what it needs when it needs it. The goal is to supply sufficient ferts, not excess, and allow the plant to do as it will. Boosting P and K during flowering and dropping N is BS that is based upon un-referenced and flat out wrong info from decades ago according to Mel Frank, Ed Rosenthal, et al.
Holy! Quite a thread going. I Just want to interject that substances like sphagnum peat moss are soiless media as Spurr has pointed out, however when they are mixed with vermicompost and other organic matter and have had plants growing in the media for a year or more, they become living soil; that is so long as the life is not turned on its head and ripped up.
I would like to politely mention to Matt that it is probably not appropriate to continue giving any advice regarding BioCanna until he has cleared up the ambiguity around the potential for synthetics utilized in the products. Like I said it could be innocent but let's put a hold on this until we know. This is the organic soil forum.
Well, which one is it? To each his own or just flaming?
And they laugh at you for being so proud of your ignorance.
"The earliest records of vegetarianism as a concept and practice amongst a significant number of people concern ancient India[2] and the ancient Greek civilization in southern Italy and in Greece.[3] In both instances the diet was closely connected with the idea of nonviolence toward animals (called ahimsa in India) and was promoted by religious groups and philosophers." f
from stupid wiki so i won't link it as this is common knowledge, just pointing out how clueless you are regarding mankind's relationship with vegetarianism.
Holy! Quite a thread going. I Just want to interject that substances like sphagnum peat moss are soiless media as Spurr has pointed out, however when they are mixed with vermicompost and other organic matter and have had plants growing in the media for a year or more, they become living soil; that is so long as the life is not turned on its head and ripped up.
Additionally I have seen and made (vermi)compost which I would describe as soil and I have used straight for planting. My usual beginning soiless mix is 33% vermicompost, 33% sphagnum peat moss & 33% topsoil/silt/sand.
ok cool thanks for clearing that up Clack.NUG-JUG
It's confusing because it's dead wrong. First would be the quality of the peat moss used in FFOF, Happy Frog (same sh*t), etc. Read the labels and see if it contains Sphagnum peat moss vs. peat moss just for starters. What pH amendment is being used? If any. What quality of 'EWC' are they using? They like the majority of soil packers on the West Coast buy their humus products on the spot market. There only a couple which actually produce their own thermal compost and EWC products. Fox Farms Fertilizer Co. isn't one of those companies.
All this good stuff but your 'tude sucks....that makes you look kinda'______That I have not said anything about BioCanna unless specifically asked. Can't move the thread now... and this is not the "100% organics soil" forum... technically I don't even grow in soil. But I do brew teas and use certified organic products (or sourced locally from friends ranch).
I should have know that the results were too good/instant to be true* organics...
And I'll go even farther by saying my organic credentials are on par with anyone here. I've eaten all organic since age 12, and spent many years as a vegetarian. I only shop at the farmer's market and the local co-op. I have no idea what a commercial grocery store looks like anymore, and fast food is a distant memory. I only eat meat from local ranches. I drive an effing hybrid. I host a CSA at my house, to support my local organic farmers. I compost everything from the garden that is not smoked. And I compost my ashes too I moved down the street from my job so I only drive on the weekends. I buy my milk in glass jars and return them to the dairy. I was the chef at a vegetarian/sustainable seafood restaurant. My college was literally an organic farm. I could go on, but won't as this idea: that my thread does not belong here because BioCanna is certified organic but not 100%, is way beneath you.
*another loosely defined word that I'm suggesting means 100%
Got any pix of these "veganic" gardens of yours?...
Come on now....why should we have to go diggin' around. Throw 'em up like we do.On kushman's website, and even better his facebook page (which is open to the public but without the advertisement). Although I will point out that we have different systems and genetics. At least he has pro photographers.
And this is not an ad, as I could have mentioned this in the OP.
And this is not an ad, as I could have mentioned this in the OP.