CrazyCooter,
Why are you here? You say you don't vote.
Or maybe don't even live in California? Are you a 215 grower?
You say that politics is a scam and you refuse to play their game.
You say how immature it is to call people names and then do exactly that.
I have no idea why you are here discussing politics and voting but if I had to guess, you just like to argue.
I suspect anyone that answers you is wasting their time because you don't vote anyway, and your agenda is not Cannabis it is arguing or "workers".
I am curious how you will react to the "manicuring union" when they demand $50 an hour and medical and paid vacations as well as a lot of other workers rights. I might think you would support them as you want to assure that workers, part of the 90% of americans that do the work, get their fair share?
But then again you don't like the government telling you what to do, so maybe you will just stay on the side of the 10% of Americans that own everything, and continue to screw any workers you use to help you, if any?
I noticed you never answered if you do buy gasoline, clothing, automobiles, or other taxed consumables that enrich big business and big government? If yes why do you support them, knowing they will be oppressing the workers? Just refuse all taxed and regulated products, and you will be helping your cause instead of enriching the people at big biz and big government.
Remember that participating in a rigged system only produces the results the system wants, a wise man once said....
Oh and by the way greed is not just something that is found in some growers under 215, it is found everywhere, in workers, unions, poor unemployed people, big biz, big government, I would say in almost every group you can name you will find greedy people, but it is what they are willing to do to insure they will be well paid for their work that is important. Like keeping Cannabis illegal for all Californians so growers under 215 can continue their lifestyle choices.
"Calling the growers "greedy" because they have been successful at overgrowing the government the last 50 years is childish to say the least."
It is the high prices combined with the growers not wanting to pass Prop 19 because it might upset their income flow, that I really call greedy.
To me it is an easy choice, all the people come first, and not just some greedy growers that might be profiteering under 215. All the people come first.
For me it is an easy choice, but I want prices to fall, mainly so an average "worker" can keep more of their hard earned cash instead of handing it over to buy an eighth for $60. I say free the workers from the oppressive Cannabis prices.....
$50 an Oz sounds about right, so CrazyCooter, are you going to help your fellow workers and sell to them at a reasonable price, as well as give any workers that help you, full medical, paid vacations, and $50 an hour to manicure? Step up to the plate....
The "workers" are waiting...
-SamS
Why are you here? You say you don't vote.
Or maybe don't even live in California? Are you a 215 grower?
You say that politics is a scam and you refuse to play their game.
You say how immature it is to call people names and then do exactly that.
I have no idea why you are here discussing politics and voting but if I had to guess, you just like to argue.
I suspect anyone that answers you is wasting their time because you don't vote anyway, and your agenda is not Cannabis it is arguing or "workers".
I am curious how you will react to the "manicuring union" when they demand $50 an hour and medical and paid vacations as well as a lot of other workers rights. I might think you would support them as you want to assure that workers, part of the 90% of americans that do the work, get their fair share?
But then again you don't like the government telling you what to do, so maybe you will just stay on the side of the 10% of Americans that own everything, and continue to screw any workers you use to help you, if any?
I noticed you never answered if you do buy gasoline, clothing, automobiles, or other taxed consumables that enrich big business and big government? If yes why do you support them, knowing they will be oppressing the workers? Just refuse all taxed and regulated products, and you will be helping your cause instead of enriching the people at big biz and big government.
Remember that participating in a rigged system only produces the results the system wants, a wise man once said....
Oh and by the way greed is not just something that is found in some growers under 215, it is found everywhere, in workers, unions, poor unemployed people, big biz, big government, I would say in almost every group you can name you will find greedy people, but it is what they are willing to do to insure they will be well paid for their work that is important. Like keeping Cannabis illegal for all Californians so growers under 215 can continue their lifestyle choices.
"Calling the growers "greedy" because they have been successful at overgrowing the government the last 50 years is childish to say the least."
It is the high prices combined with the growers not wanting to pass Prop 19 because it might upset their income flow, that I really call greedy.
To me it is an easy choice, all the people come first, and not just some greedy growers that might be profiteering under 215. All the people come first.
For me it is an easy choice, but I want prices to fall, mainly so an average "worker" can keep more of their hard earned cash instead of handing it over to buy an eighth for $60. I say free the workers from the oppressive Cannabis prices.....
$50 an Oz sounds about right, so CrazyCooter, are you going to help your fellow workers and sell to them at a reasonable price, as well as give any workers that help you, full medical, paid vacations, and $50 an hour to manicure? Step up to the plate....
The "workers" are waiting...
-SamS
In case you did not read, I am not anti, I am a non voter with a lot of questions that you "self-proclaimed assholes" really don't answer that well except in your own mind. You don't spell or write very well but you are a law expert? The law experts won't give their opinion of what is going to happen because they don't know, but you guys do.
JJ I can understand, and subrob makes some sense, but biggie has done very little to help me believe this thing is going to turn out like you guys imagine it. With all the name calling and alienation of anyone who disagrees with him, it does not help a pessimist believe that the government is really trying to help me.
Like I said biggie, keep polishing the turd. Seems like your parents did a good job of it.
Don't mistake movement for action. The political and economic system are designed so the majority do the work while the minority keep the spoils. 10% own 90% of American wealth. This is a result of the system. I choose to participate in this system as little as possible in protest of the fact that this system can only produce too much for the minority and not enough for the majority. Just like Vegas, anyone can win, but the majority will always go home losing because it is a rigged system.
In protest of the process, I choose not to support it. "Conspiracy theory" is yet more politicospeak to push an agenda and alient those with different views. Conspiracy, yes, there are people conspiring against the workers. The workers are the only ones producing any wealth. Participating in a rigged system can only produce what the system wants.
I am against the tax structure set up in California and am against any bill that raises taxes on Californians. Alcohol, overtaxed. Gasoline, overtaxed. Automobiles, overtaxed. Taxes and regulations, too many and getting worse. So yes, I am against all these taxes, not the products. Our tax system is set up to take wealth from the worker and transfer it to the corporate owners. Land is the only thing a "free market" needs to tax to level the playing field for all participants in the system.
Who are these growers and where will the profits go? Mom and pop's profits will still be made, only now by big business with a government tax of approval. These profits will now leave many "greedy" growers in poverty and will no longer stay in the community of the "greedy" growers. Corporations with big budgets for lobbying will help pass legislation in the various municipalities that are prohibitive to small cannabis growers.
Money is more important than legalization, at least to the government you are asking to stop oppressing you.
The reason I ever responded to this post originally is that someone postulated that the only reason someone on this board could be against 19 is that they are "greedy" growers that are working with leo to have fellow cannabis users thrown in jail to make more money. I disagree on several points but they have all been thoroughly debunked.
I am a no voter, meaning I don't support the fascists by showing up at the polls so their schemes can be validated by the majority of the indoctrinated voters. It is possible that there are other valid viewpoints besides let's jump in bed with the people currently oppressing us. Calling the growers "greedy" because they have been successful at overgrowing the government the last 50 years is childish to say the least.
It appears that most on this thread cannot even comprehend other points of view without bias, bigotry, and attacks against the other side for having a different opinion. Most posters in the "yes" category are acting quite possessed with the political spirit of "morality" and being "right" on their side. Scary what people will do when they "know" they are "right" and state sponsored programming takes over to fill their "moral" void.
Calling the people that are fueling this movement greedy because of concerns too complex for the twenty something year old stoners to comprehend is a political move to garner support for a shitty law.
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