ICMAG Administration endorses The Regulate, Control and Tax Cannabis Act of 2010

[BiG H3rB Tr3E]

How else would we do it cooter?

The only way to get this to stop is to legalize in CA then challenge this in court via states rights.

Soon they will no longer be able to justify the continued prohibition of cannabis.

As to my age, i believe it has no bearing on our conversation at hand. Nor is it any of your business.

 

[JJScorpio]

Do you think that keeping a schedule 1 drug "illegal" will reduce interference and persecution from the federal government for patients like yourself?

What difference does it make? The more you and GanjaAL talk the better the yes vote looks....

Can either of you come up with a legitimate reason for this Bill not passing?

 

[dagnabit]

Dagnabit,



Land + Labor = Wealth

If you have no access to land, you end up working for wage and the landlords and capitalists end up with the wealth. The workers do all the work, and the administrators end up with the wealth. A very good system of modern slavery.

that was all correct 100 years ago when it was necessary to labor on the land to create wealth.

today however

land+labor=taxes and liability.

sorry your stuck in a time when labor on the land mattered...

 

[kmk420kali]

"The linking this privilege to property ownership is a Far Right concept dating back to the founding of our Country."

Jack,

This concept goes back far beyond this. Capitalism, feudalism, socialism, etc. all concentrates land "ownership" into the hands of the few and creates slaves out of the humans who were born without their "god given right" to land.

Land + Labor + Capital = Wealth

Without land, the laborers compete for a place to live and drive up rents to the highest possible values. Labor must be sold for the lowest wage possible. Capital is able to compete for outrageous interest when used. And wealth ends up in the hands of the small percentage of the population. All of this is based on the ability of our "modern" society to make land access artificially scarce for the majority of the population.

"Progress and Poverty" by Henry George does a good job of explaining these concepts if interested.

"The true full meaning of Landlord simply put means the person who has free title to a property clear of liens or encumbrances (debt)."

Snowberry,

I don't have a reference for this, but my brother-in-law told me that the word "landlord" in very old english comes from a similar sounding word that means literally, "bread giver". Who made the bread that the "landlord" is so graciously giving to the workers who dare to try to live on the land that they cannot use themselves?

"protecting the property owners rights somehow transmutes int an attack on the poor in your mind?"

Dagnabit,

property rights and the current lack of access to land for the majority of the workers, not administrators, owners, or "landlords" is what keeps all the "-isms" is what keeps this repressive system working.

"so it's not that 'simple' nor is it 'a truth.'"

Land + Labor = Wealth

If you have no access to land, you end up working for wage and the landlords and capitalists end up with the wealth. The workers do all the work, and the administrators end up with the wealth. A very good system of modern slavery.

Herb,

How old are you?

Do you think that "legalizing" a schedule 1 drug will reduce interference and persecution from the federal government for patients like myself?

Cooter, I am a Yes supporter....however, I do stand by the belief that we need to talk about, and dissect this, to educate ourselves about all aspects of it before we mark a ballot--
I take it from what you wrote, that you don't think Landlords/Owners have a Right to say if they want a Renter to grow in/on their property--
Bottom line tho, if they are growing indoors....there is a very great chance that they will flood the place out, start a fire, get bug infestations...or at the least, fuck up the place with mold--
And as for outdoor growing, your last sentence gives it all up...
If the Feds get involved, as you yourself said they might, then the property is subject to seizure, based on the Land Owner being aware of the Federal Crime being committed on their land--
Not saying I support Federal Seizures....but that is how it works--

 

[JackTheGrower]

protecting the property owners rights somehow transmutes int an attack on the poor in your mind?

i guess it is just a difference in perspective really.

so it's not that "simple" nor is it "a truth."

you approach this from the idea of the collective and the greater good.

i am viewing this as an individual liberty issue.
to tell a home owner he must allow any activity is a usurpation of his BASIC HUMAN RIGHTS to do with his property as he so chooses.

but im a bit of a hawk that way.... im opposed to the FHA as far as that goes (i believe the cultural ramifications are such that anyone discriminating in whom they rent to will be punished by the market)

like i said perspective...im a landlord.

but to say of something so based on your own perceptions that "It is really simple and it's a truth." is simply not the truth.

Yes it is an attack on Liberty. Creating two classes of Citizen.

You don't see that or maybe you do and are fighting for a separation of classes,

 

[CrazyCooter]

How else would we do it cooter?

The only way to get this to stop is to legalize in CA then challenge this in court via states rights.

Soon they will no longer be able to justify the continued prohibition of cannabis.

As to my age, i believe it has no bearing on our conversation at hand. Nor is it any of your business.

Just curious to the age because a lot of your posts end with name calling and immature remarks. It may not be my business but I can only assume it is about mid 20s. When you mature a little more hopefully your presentation does as well.

 

[CrazyCooter]

Do you think that keeping a schedule 1 drug "illegal" will reduce interference and persecution from the federal government for patients like yourself?

What difference does it make? The more you and GanjaAL talk the better the yes vote looks....

Can either of you come up with a legitimate reason for this Bill not passing?

I have given legitimate reasons already but you choose to pass them off as non-issues.

"What difference does it make?"

Please answer my question with an answer, not a question.

I am a non-voter. I just find it interesting how tied up you guys are in the political vocabulary involved in this bill and your responses to state sponsored programming.

A professor in college once said to my class, "politics is merely simple solutions to complex problems." It is how they get the simple minded to support complex policies that they don't understand. I would hope that "legalization" could pass as you guys imagine it in your head. My experience dealing with the government is different.

 

[localhero]

A professor in college once said to my class, "politics is merely simple solutions to complex problems." It is how they get the simple minded to support complex policies that they don't understand. I would hope that "legalization" could pass as you guys imagine it in your head. My experience dealing with the government is different.

had to laugh, a friend of mine would break down every petition he worked on to one of 2 things:

sign to lower taxes

sign to help the children

 

[JackTheGrower]

A New site of Pro-19

http://yeson19.com/

And Guys Proposition 19 is not a Bill.
It is a Voter Initiative.

 

[BiG H3rB Tr3E]

Just curious to the age because a lot of your posts end with name calling and immature remarks. It may not be my business but I can only assume it is about mid 20s. When you mature a little more hopefully your presentation does as well.

I would rather be immature for life than willfully ignorant. To each their own.

Now how about you spew some more disillusioned remarks about how keeping cannabis illegal will somehow end federal prohibition, or whatever half brained moronic rhetoric we are so accustomed to from you and your anti 19 henchmen.

 

[StoneElemental]

Ahahaha henchmen! I almost teared up laughin' that one up. An articulate well spoken statement will never equal the meanings merit. Herb Tree chooses not to bother with some of these half-assed arguements because he like I sees it for what it is. Weak and negligible. Also it doesn't help your case to stoop to ones level and calling him out especially when youre so easily deflated. Enough defense of BHT I'm not trying to come off as his friggin butt-buddy or something. I stopped posting on this thread because round and round it all goes and IMO the weak anti's point of view easily get dismissed and sometimes stomped by the pro's. It's a well rounded bill sound enough that the public (not just us!) will accept as a whole. Further it's a step forward not back. I'd rather take baby steps forward then leaps backward.

-S.E.

I would rather be immature for life than willfully ignorant. To each their own.

Now how about you spew some more disillusioned remarks about how keeping cannabis illegal will somehow end federal prohibition, or whatever half brained moronic rhetoric we are so accustomed to from you and your anti 19 henchmen.

 

[CrazyCooter]

I would rather be immature for life than willfully ignorant. To each their own.

Now how about you spew some more disillusioned remarks about how keeping cannabis illegal will somehow end federal prohibition, or whatever half brained moronic rhetoric we are so accustomed to from you and your anti 19 henchmen.

For you it seems to come naturally, not willfully, but the ignorance is glaring.

Once again you return to name calling instead of much of a response. I don't think you will be immature your whole life but you do have a whole lot of growing up to do. Let me know when you reach 30, if you are still not ashamed of your age, and I may be able to stomach such simple minded conclusions.

I am anti "shitty legislation", and this one takes the cake as far cannabis, medical patients, and legalization go.

It has been educational to see the attitudes of the "yes at any cost" people like yourself. Maybe the movement needs a good division. You seem to be leading the way at offending growers who want to provide cheap clean medicine to fellow patients.

Bravo.

As you cannot answer the majority of my questions accurately, you don't spell or use grammar well, have a political agenda instead of an unbiased opinion, and cannabis to you is a way to amuse yourself not heal yourself, I will have to say we don't see eye to eye on the issue.

If you can alienate everyone with a different idea than your own, you can surround yourself with people as wonderful as yourself. Imagine that, a world of immature name calling stoners voting their way to freedom using the very political system that enslaved them.

Quit recreating and start medicating. You need it to control your little temper tantrums boy.

 

[JackTheGrower]

As we whine on down to November 2 I am reminded of a verse of a Song "What A Long Strange Trip it's been."


It is a good thing we discuss this. Like I wrote to make a difference get out the door and travel.. Sign up some voters.. Get a vote Buddy.


There are 73 days until
Tuesday, 2 November 2010.

 

[subrob]

For you it seems to come naturally, not willfully, but the ignorance is glaring.

Once again you return to name calling instead of much of a response. I don't think you will be immature your whole life but you do have a whole lot of growing up to do. Let me know when you reach 30, if you are still not ashamed of your age, and I may be able to stomach such simple minded conclusions.

I am anti "shitty legislation", and this one takes the cake as far cannabis, medical patients, and legalization go.

It has been educational to see the attitudes of the "yes at any cost" people like yourself. Maybe the movement needs a good division. You seem to be leading the way at offending growers who want to provide cheap clean medicine to fellow patients.

Bravo.

As you cannot answer the majority of my questions accurately, you don't spell or use grammar well, have a political agenda instead of an unbiased opinion, and cannabis to you is a way to amuse yourself not heal yourself, I will have to say we don't see eye to eye on the issue.

If you can alienate everyone with a different idea than your own, you can surround yourself with people as wonderful as yourself. Imagine that, a world of immature name calling stoners voting their way to freedom using the very political system that enslaved them.

Quit recreating and start medicating. You need it to control your little temper tantrums boy.

blah blah blah blah.....the majority of your questions dont really rate an answer...but the one or two you have posed worth responding too(over and over and over ) have been answered or rebutted numerous times in numerous threads....
...as far as you doggin out herb...he can be an asshole...sure....as can i.......bottom line, i know herb, and i know what he has done in this community...i know what he has risked, what he could POSSIBLY be risking now, by being on the pro 19 side...and i know why...he, like myself and many others are willing to sacrifice to further the movement...i suggest you learn WHO the fuck your talking too before you start spewing your bullshit

 

[BiG H3rB Tr3E]

hell i KNOW im an asshole. that aint new news. in fact im probably the worlds only self proclaimed asshole. that who i am and who i am is that. but at least im real with it. and in this world real talk is worth more than good grammer. shit i could give a fuck if your the finest speaking english professor this planet has seen. its what you say not how you say it. and all you got is some tired ass old fear mongering bull shit. you guys is all the same. in fact im damn near convinced its 1 or 2 people with like 5 different accounts. you all do the same shit. come in here. spew a whole load of shit that i dont even think you believe, but you say it any way. it gets proven as the garbage it is. then yal jump on the defense like were some bully motherfuckers who is here for nothing more than talking shit. i grew up on the street. i dont run my mouth unless theres good reason. and when yal cats come in here reciting some straight fucking nonsense as fact, your damn right ima get heated on it. i talk with hundreds of people damn near everyday about this. the only ones i hear spewing some ignorant bullshit is growers and other dispensary owners. i on the other hand grew up with nothing. never owned a house. never owned a vehicle til i was 22. i can live with nothing. im for the people. i been here and i stay here for them. i love my people and i seen first hand this prohibition destroy lifes. families. and friends. time and time again. everything i have in this life has come from me. ive shed blood sweat and tears and risked everything to get to where im at. you can call me immature. call me an asshole call me whatever the fuck you like but you cant call me wrong. you say im biased? well your god damned right im biased. when you seen the shit i seen its hard not to be. in fact it makes me so fucking angry to even realize theres people who willfully will misguide people so they can continue on with their dirty fucking money. in my opinion you is just as fucking dirty as the people you claim to hate (governemnt + cops + leo + big biz...whatever the fuck it is) if you can justify destroying lifes for money because you dont think this is the right legilature you can go fuck yourselfs and i PRAY i fucking PRAY your ass gets left behind when this thing gets big. because the way you antis act. you dont deserve a fucking thing besides getting your teeth knocked out your fucking mouth for distorting the truth. im done with ya cooter. you can act like your for the people. you can act like your some fucking mother teresa grower who does nothing but grow for sick people. i couldnt give a fuck. to me you just a slimy scum fuck piece of filth who truly dont give a fuck about anyone but yourself. i got my neck on the line voting for this because i know it can mean some groundbreaking shit. imagine if everyone voted no on 215??? where the fuck would we be now?? this is a monumental moment for the movement and im going to do everything in my power to make sure it is a fucking landslide victory come november.

-BhT

 

[subrob]

the 'only' self proclaimed asshole?! ha...see my signature biotch!

 

[JJScorpio]

After reading this I don't think you're in any position to be calling someone elses posts immature. It's a shame you must resort to name calling and immature banter.....

For you it seems to come naturally, not willfully, but the ignorance is glaring.

Once again you return to name calling instead of much of a response. I don't think you will be immature your whole life but you do have a whole lot of growing up to do. Let me know when you reach 30, if you are still not ashamed of your age, and I may be able to stomach such simple minded conclusions.

I am anti "shitty legislation", and this one takes the cake as far cannabis, medical patients, and legalization go.

It has been educational to see the attitudes of the "yes at any cost" people like yourself. Maybe the movement needs a good division. You seem to be leading the way at offending growers who want to provide cheap clean medicine to fellow patients.

Bravo.

As you cannot answer the majority of my questions accurately, you don't spell or use grammar well, have a political agenda instead of an unbiased opinion, and cannabis to you is a way to amuse yourself not heal yourself, I will have to say we don't see eye to eye on the issue.

If you can alienate everyone with a different idea than your own, you can surround yourself with people as wonderful as yourself. Imagine that, a world of immature name calling stoners voting their way to freedom using the very political system that enslaved them.

Quit recreating and start medicating. You need it to control your little temper tantrums boy.

 

[BiG H3rB Tr3E]

the 'only' self proclaimed asshole?! ha...see my signature biotch!

birds of a feather my brotha!!!!!!

 

[Genetics]

For you it seems to come naturally, not willfully, but the ignorance is glaring.

Once again you return to name calling instead of much of a response. I don't think you will be immature your whole life but you do have a whole lot of growing up to do. Let me know when you reach 30, if you are still not ashamed of your age, and I may be able to stomach such simple minded conclusions.

I am anti "shitty legislation", and this one takes the cake as far cannabis, medical patients, and legalization go.

It has been educational to see the attitudes of the "yes at any cost" people like yourself. Maybe the movement needs a good division. You seem to be leading the way at offending growers who want to provide cheap clean medicine to fellow patients.

Bravo.

As you cannot answer the majority of my questions accurately, you don't spell or use grammar well, have a political agenda instead of an unbiased opinion, and cannabis to you is a way to amuse yourself not heal yourself, I will have to say we don't see eye to eye on the issue.

If you can alienate everyone with a different idea than your own, you can surround yourself with people as wonderful as yourself. Imagine that, a world of immature name calling stoners voting their way to freedom using the very political system that enslaved them.

Quit recreating and start medicating. You need it to control your little temper tantrums boy.

There's always someone that'l try and ruin a conversation.

 

[binaryfission]

the intent was to make growing inconvenient so that we would all buy from commercial sources.

again with the nonsensical stuff. how in the hell can legalized personal grows be inconvenient..... really?

Any increase in the percentage of marijuana smokers that grow their own is a win.

i know you're high, but that high? really?

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let me get some.