FEDS JUST BUSTED ANOTHER CALIFORNIA DISPENSARY!

[Amstel Light]

a recap of negativity without cause

a recap of negativity without cause

But Obama hasn't done that, he has taken the slimey Bush route of undermining laws with his Presidential "authority" instead of changing them.

60 days what do you want? "OBAMA brand weed?

A vote for Barack Obama was a vote to lock 800,000 human beings in a cage each year for the possession of an herb than doesn't harm anyone else in this world.

60 days what do you want? "OBAMA brand weed?

Interesting position friend, " But Obama said.....", how true. We were skeptical of this candidate and now we see why. Not a good choice

yea!! DANM we coulda had Mcain!!

Ok I am sick of hearing people defend Obama.

It appears Obama has broken yet ANOTHER promise. I am very unhappy about the way he appears to have lied and misled us!

60 days what do you want? "OBAMA brand weed?

Just read an article this morning, NO ARRESTS! You would think after months of investigation, and w/ alleged violation of state law, there would have been an arrest or 3? Charges filed?

From page 1 we have heard you insult almost every person (except those who agree with u of course) who has chimed in on this... and for what? it's obvious after no charges were filed the DEA is responding to Holder's instructions..ALSO OBVIOUS: YOUR A DICK

He lied. Period.

Wow, this thread has taken a turn into retard land. Poke me w/ a stick when these fools go to look for their baseball. HOly fuck!

WE COULD ONLY HOPE AND DREAM TO HAVE YOUR KIND OF UNCANNY INSIGHT LOL!!

In fact, the only person who commented based on personal experience, unless I missed it, said that the club was "shady."

So maybe we are jumping on him too hard on this one? Maybe these folks were legitimately fucked up?
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Maybe just maybe??

that place is/was shady, i've been there, im honestly glad it got shut down, they took advantage of people and i would tell people false info.. they let under-age kids in, sell shity non-rooted clones, they skimped on sacks (giving 3gs for an 8th insted of 3.5gs) not much i know but still...

Ok what we have so far is a place that is ruining it for legit clubs, that has been under investigation...And prolly deserved to be busted.. and who is responsible for it all OBAMA!

 

[BobbleheadJed]

"60 days what do you want? "OBAMA brand weed?"

Obama was been in public office for 13 years. He has a long history of being a drug warrior and someone that has no problem locking human beings in cages for doing something he himself has done.

What do I want? Honesty and integrity and leadership. I don't want political pandering and cowardly excuses for political leaders that are afraid to lead. I want a President willing to put the American people BEFORE considering a 2nd term. I want the American people to vote for a President that wants to end prohibition BEFORE that person is elected.

You know, I want CHANGE from the politics as usual. And I want you to want that too.

Let me ask you what you want? Do you want another 4 more years of the same drug war policies as Bush? Because that is what it seems like you are trying to defend.

Here is some recommended reading for you Amstel Light. I'll copy the whole thing because it is exactly on topic, and Glenn Greenwald can hardly be called an Obama hater or Bush lover.

http://www.salon.com/opinion/greenwald/2009/03/28/webb/index.html
-- Glenn Greenwald

Jim Webb's courage v. the "pragmatism" excuse for politicians

(updated below)

There are few things rarer than a major politician doing something that is genuinely courageous and principled, but Jim Webb's impassioned commitment to fundamental prison reform is exactly that. Webb's interest in the issue was prompted by his work as a journalist in 1984, when he wrote about an American citizen who was locked away in a Japanese prison for two years under extremely harsh conditions for nothing more than marijuana possession. After decades of mindless "tough-on-crime" hysteria, an increasingly irrational "drug war," and a sprawling, privatized prison state as brutal as it is counter-productive, America has easily surpassed Japan -- and virtually every other country in the world -- to become what Brown University Professor Glenn Loury recently described as a "a nation of jailers" whose "prison system has grown into a leviathan unmatched in human history."

What's most notable about Webb's decision to champion this cause is how honest his advocacy is. He isn't just attempting to chip away at the safe edges of America's oppressive prison state. His critique of what we're doing is fundamental, not incremental. And, most important of all, Webb is addressing head-on one of the principal causes of our insane imprisonment fixation: our aberrational insistence on criminalizing and imprisoning non-violent drug offenders (when we're not doing worse to them). That is an issue most politicians are petrified to get anywhere near, as evidenced just this week by Barack Obama's adolescent, condescending snickering when asked about marijuana legalization, in response to which Obama gave a dismissive answer that Andrew Sullivan accurately deemed "pathetic." Here are just a few excerpts from Webb's Senate floor speech this week (.pdf) on his new bill to create a Commission to study all aspects of prison reform:

Let's start with a premise that I don't think a lot of Americans are aware of. We have 5% of the world's population; we have 25% of the world's known prison population. We have an incarceration rate in the United States, the world's greatest democracy, that is five times as high as the average incarceration rate of the rest of the world. There are only two possibilities here: either we have the most evil people on earth living in the United States; or we are doing something dramatically wrong in terms of how we approach the issue of criminal justice. . . .

The elephant in the bedroom in many discussions on the criminal justice system is the sharp increase in drug incarceration over the past three decades. In 1980, we had 41,000 drug offenders in prison; today we have more than 500,000, an increase of 1,200%. The blue disks represent the numbers in 1980; the red disks represent the numbers in 2007 and a significant percentage of those incarcerated are for possession or nonviolent offenses stemming from drug addiction and those sorts of related behavioral issues. . . .

In many cases these issues involve people’s ability to have proper counsel and other issues, but there are stunning statistics with respect to drugs that we all must come to terms with. African-Americans are about 12% of our population; contrary to a lot of thought and rhetoric, their drug use rate in terms of frequent drug use rate is about the same as all other elements of our society, about 14%. But they end up being 37% of those arrested on drug charges, 59% of those convicted, and 74% of those sentenced to prison by the numbers that have been provided by us. . . .

Another piece of this issue that I hope we will address with this National Criminal Justice Commission is what happens inside our prisons. . . . We also have a situation in this country with respect to prison violence and sexual victimization that is off the charts and we must get our arms around this problem. We also have many people in our prisons who are among what are called the criminally ill, many suffering from hepatitis and HIV who are not getting the sorts of treatment they deserve.

Importantly, what are we going to do about drug policy - the whole area of drug policy in this country?

And how does that affect sentencing procedures and other alternatives that we might look at?

Webb added that "America's criminal justice system has deteriorated to the point that it is a national disgrace" and "we are locking up too many people who do not belong in jail."

It's hard to overstate how politically thankless, and risky, is Webb's pursuit of this issue -- both in general and particularly for Webb. Though there has been some evolution of public opinion on some drug policy issues, there is virtually no meaningful organized constituency for prison reform. To the contrary, leaving oneself vulnerable to accusations of being "soft on crime" has, for decades, been one of the most toxic vulnerabilities a politician can suffer (ask Michael Dukakis). Moreover, the privatized Prison State is a booming and highly profitable industry, with an army of lobbyists, donations, and other well-funded weapons for targeting candidates who threaten its interests.

Most notably, Webb is in the Senate not as an invulnerable, multi-term political institution from a safely blue state (he's not Ted Kennedy), but is the opposite: he's a first-term Senator from Virginia, one of the "toughest" "anti-crime" states in the country (it abolished parole in 1995 and is second only to Texas in the number of prisoners it executes), and Webb won election to the Senate by the narrowest of margins, thanks largely to George Allen's macaca-driven implosion. As Ezra Klein wrote, with understatement: "Lots of politicians make their name being anti-crime, which has come to mean pro-punishment. Few make their name being pro-prison reform."

For a Senator like Webb to spend his time trumpeting the evils of excessive prison rates, racial disparities in sentencing, the unjust effects of the Drug War, and disgustingly harsh conditions inside prisons is precisely the opposite of what every single political consultant would recommend that he do. There's just no plausible explanation for what Webb's actions other than the fact that he's engaged in the noblest and rarest of conduct: advocating a position and pursuing an outcome because he actually believes in it and believes that, with reasoned argument, he can convince his fellow citizens to see the validity of his cause. And he is doing this despite the fact that it potentially poses substantial risks to his political self-interest and offers almost no prospect for political reward. Webb is far from perfect -- he's cast some truly bad votes since being elected -- but, in this instance, not only his conduct but also his motives are highly commendable.

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Webb's actions here underscore a broader point. Our political class has trained so many citizens not only to tolerate, but to endorse, cowardly behavior on the part of their political leaders. When politicians take bad positions, ones that are opposed by large numbers of their supporters, it is not only the politicians, but also huge numbers of their supporters, who step forward to offer excuses and justifications: well, they have to take that position because it's too politically risky not to; they have no choice and it's the smart thing to do. That's the excuse one heard for years as Democrats meekly acquiesced to or actively supported virtually every extremist Bush policy from the attack on Iraq to torture and warrantless eavesdropping; it's the excuse which even progressives offer for why their political leaders won't advocate for marriage equality or defense spending cuts; and it's the same excuse one hears now to justify virtually every Obama "disappointment."

Webb's commitment to this unpopular project demonstrates how false that excuse-making is -- just as it was proven false by Russ Feingold's singular, lonely, October, 2001 vote against the Patriot Act and Feingold's subsequent, early opposition to the then-popular Bush's assault on civil liberties, despite his representing the purple state of Wisconsin. Political leaders have the ability to change public opinion by engaging in leadership and persuasive advocacy. Any cowardly politician can take only those positions that reside safely within the majoritiarian consensus. Actual leaders, by definition, confront majoritarian views when they are misguided and seek to change them, and politicians have far more ability to affect and change public opinion than they want the public to believe they have.

The political class wants people to see them as helpless captives to immutable political realities so that they have a permanent, all-purpose excuse for whatever they do, so that they are always able to justify their position by appealing to so-called "political realities." But that excuse is grounded in a fundamentally false view of what political leaders are actually capable of doing in terms of shifting public opinion, as NYU Journalism Professor Jay Rosen explained when I interviewed him about his theories of how political consensus is maintained and manipulated:

GG: One of the points you make is that it's not just journalists who define what these spheres [of consensus, legitimate debate and deviance] encompass. You argue that politicians, political actors can change what's included in these spheres based on the positions that they take. And in some sense, you could even say that that's kind of what leadership is -- not just articulating what already is within the realm of consensus, which anyone can do, but taking ideas that are marginalized or within the sphere of deviance and bringing them into the sphere of legitimacy. How does that process work? How do political actors change those spheres?

JR: Well, that's exactly what leadership is. And I think it's crippling sometimes to our own sense of efficacy in politics and media, if we assume that the media has all of the power to frame the debate and decide what consensus is, and consign things to deviant status. That's not really true. That's true under conditions of political immobilization, leadership default, a rage for normalcy, but in ordinary political life, leaders, by talking about things, make them legitimate. Parties, by pushing for things, make them part of the sphere of debate. Important and visible people can question consensus, and all of a sudden expand it. These spheres are malleable; if the conversation of democracy is alive and if you make your leaders talk about things, it becomes valid to talk about them.

And I really do think there's a self-victimization that sometimes goes on, but to go back to the beginning of your question, there's something else going on, which is the ability to infect us with notions of what's realistic is one of the most potent powers press and political elites have. Whenever we make that kind of decision -- "well it's pragmatic, let's be realistic" -- what we're really doing is we're speculating about other Americans, our fellow citizens, and what they're likely to accept or what works on them or what stimuli they respond to. And that way of seeing other Americans, fellow citizens, is in fact something the media has taught us; that is one of the deepest lessons we've learned from the media even if we are skeptics of the MSM.

And one of the things I see on the left that really bothers me is the ease with which people skeptical of the media will talk about what the masses believe and how the masses will be led and moved in this way that shows me that the mass media tutors them on how to see their fellow citizens. And here the Internet again has at least some potential, because we don't have to guess what those other Americans think. We can encounter them ourselves, and thereby reshape our sense of what they think. I think every time people make that judgment about what's realistic, what they're really doing is they're imagining what the rest of the country would accept, and how other people think, and they get those ideas from the media.

We've been trained how we talk about our political leaders primarily by a media that worships political cynicism and can only understand the world through political game-playing. Thus, so many Americans have been taught to believe not only that politicians shouldn't have the obligation of leadership imposed on them -- i.e., to persuade the public of what is right -- but that it's actually smart and wise of them to avoid positions they believe in when doing so is politically risky.

People love now to assume the role of super-sophisticated political consultant rather than a citizen demanding actions from their representatives. Due to the prism of gamesmanship through which political pundits understand and discuss politics, many citizens have learned to talk about their political leaders as though they're political strategists advising their clients as to the politically shrewd steps that should be taken ("this law is awful and unjust and he was being craven by voting for it, but he was absolutely right to vote for it because the public wouldn't understand if he opposed it"), rather than as citizens demanding that their public servants do the right thing ("this law is awful and unjust and, for that reason alone, he should oppose it and show leadership by making the case to the public as to why it's awful and unjust").

It may be unrealistic to expect most politicians in most circumstances to do what Jim Webb is doing here (or what Russ Feingold did during Bush's first term). My guess is that Webb, having succeeded in numerous other endeavors outside of politics, is not desperate to cling to his political office, and he has thus calculated that he'd rather have six years in the Senate doing things he thinks are meaningful than stay there forever on the condition that he cowardly renounce any actual beliefs. It's probably true that most career politicians, possessed of few other talents or interests, are highly unlikely to think that way.

But the fact that cowardly actions from political leaders are inevitable is no reason to excuse or, worse, justify and even advocate that cowardice. In fact, the more citizens are willing to excuse and even urge political cowardice in the name of "realism" or "pragmatism" ("he was smart to take this bad, unjust position because Americans are too stupid or primitive for him to do otherwise and he needs to be re-elected"), the more common that behavior will be. Politicians and their various advisers, consultants and enablers will make all the excuses they can for why politicians do what they do and insist that public opinion constrains them to do otherwise. That excuse-making is their role, not the role of citizens. What ought to be demanded of political officials by citizens is precisely the type of leadership Webb is exhibiting here.



UPDATE: Two related points:

(1) John Cole attacks those who were angry about Obama's marijuana answer by arguing that it was unrealistic to expect Obama to say "yes" to the question. But as I told Cole in an email just now, I don't think anyone expected him to advocate legalization or was angry that he didn't. It was his mocking, childish snickering about the issue and his refusal to address it seriously (even if to explain why he didn't favor legalization) that prompted the objections. My email to Cole is here.

(2) An angry emailer chides me for calling Webb's proposal one of "prison reform," as that actually diminishes the scope of what Webb is doing, and says instead that Webb's proposal is really one to reform the entire criminal justice system. Prison reform is just one of several critical (and politically difficult) issues Webb is addressing. It's a fair point, as Webb's own website -- which describes his bill as one to "overhaul America's criminal justice system -- makes clear.

 

[BobbleheadJed]

The (a) conclusion, which is right on target, in case you don't want to read it all.

But the fact that cowardly actions from political leaders are inevitable is no reason to excuse or, worse, justify and even advocate that cowardice. In fact, the more citizens are willing to excuse and even urge political cowardice in the name of "realism" or "pragmatism" ("he was smart to take this bad, unjust position because Americans are too stupid or primitive for him to do otherwise and he needs to be re-elected"), the more common that behavior will be.

 

[Pirate]

A little offtopic but being able to edit my own posts would be helpful in this forum.
I don't understand why we can't edit. i had typos and needed to fix sentence flow.
You may not post new threads
You may post replies
You may post attachments
You may not edit your posts

Is it just my settings?

I may be mistaken but I believe the inability to EDIT has to do with this thread being in a "MOD" area. Only moderators can start threads in this area.......we can respond only to that thread

I'm guessing !!

Its bugged me too.
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[Amstel Light]

"***********"Let me ask you what you want? Do you want another 4 more years of the same drug war policies as Bush? Because that is what it seems like you are trying to defend."**********
JED

I'm not defending the man..I have no doubt (especially after clinton appointment) that they are all one in the same....not much we could about it now.. so the only thing i can do is remain CALM and try to have a positive attitude ...My point is we really don't need to hear over and over again from "ditto(dick) heads", that people who do believe in this man as theyre leader are "kool aid drinkers" and other negative B.S....No matter if they were bush supporters are not sure makes them look like it...and it looks ugly..
you seem like a decent guy JEB dont fall in with the wrong crowd.....

 

[Pirate]

Bush is gone. Get over it.

Time to focus on the new Scam artist. The day you fall in love with your "Leader" is the day you give in to the propaganda. They want you focused on the past so ya can't see the future they have in store for ya. Wake Up !!

Their all the same. It's just more of the same BS..............Only magnified by 1000. Trust none of em !!
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[IE2KS_KUSH]

I'm not defending the man.......

Oh really? Could have fooled me.

My point is we really don't need to hear over and over again from "ditto(dick) heads", that people who do believe in this man as theyre leader are "kool aid drinkers" and other negative B.S....No matter if they were bush supporters are not sure makes them look like it...and it looks ugly..
you seem like a decent guy JEB dont fall in with the wrong crowd.....

I guess you are serious huh? BTW, thanks for replying directly to my very specific question directed squarely at you w/ "oh, he's a dick". LMFAO, that's just about "A" typical and exactly what I would expect from you. Let me remind you WHY you are in fact, a salty ball flavor kool aid drinker. Remember these little gems you posted, it was waaaay back um yesterday. Kind of seems like you come on here every day and forget what you actually said the day before, so I will remind you.

BEHOLD the power of OBAMA!!!!

That's OBAMAS mojo/grigri working!!! soon you will feel the same ...soon after that you will be a follower of OBAMA..

HOW can you live with yourself....do the right thing...believe in OBAMA...he will forgive you for voting for a chimp/reptile....

Yeah guess you are right, guess you aren't a salty ball falvor kool aid drinker, you chug it! Your inability to muster any response to my previous post just goes to show how empty your rhetoric is and how brainless you are. Don't mistake me insulting you as me insulting anyone that disagrees w/ me, you are in a class all your own.
And yeah, you are right, I am a fucking dick! LOL

Now go cry yourself to sleep, and try not to wet the bed.
Good night.

 

[OGDread]

Changes never happen overnight. I will name my next strain "Obama".

 

[outdoe]

"60 days what do you want? "OBAMA brand weed?"

Obama was been in public office for 13 years. He has a long history of being a drug warrior and someone that has no problem locking human beings in cages for doing something he himself has done.

What do I want? Honesty and integrity and leadership. I don't want political pandering and cowardly excuses for political leaders that are afraid to lead. I want a President willing to put the American people BEFORE considering a 2nd term. I want the American people to vote for a President that wants to end prohibition BEFORE that person is elected.

You know, I want CHANGE from the politics as usual. And I want you to want that too.

Let me ask you what you want? Do you want another 4 more years of the same drug war policies as Bush? Because that is what it seems like you are trying to defend..

There will never be a president to end the war on drugs.(end of prohibition) So what are you to do? not vote? Our comunity is a minority. The Majority frowns upon us. A canidate comes and says he will end prohibition will not get nominated to represent either parties. He wont make it to the race. So every 4 years will be the same. You have to find another reason to vote unless a president says he will legalize weed.
Even then though We all loose Money!!!!!!!

 

[Amstel Light]

I am a fucking dick! LOL

Now we are getting somewhere! if you can't see the humor in the post's about worshiping OBAMA ....then you must be a dumb fucking dick as well HAHAHAHahahhwhwhehee eerrr....

 

[IE2KS_KUSH]

Now we are getting somewhere! if you can't see the humor in the post's about worshiping OBAMA ....then you must be a dumb fucking dick as well HAHAHAHahahhwhwhehee eerrr....

Oh, I definitely thought it was funny. But I don't doubt for a second that those are sincere feelings that you have either. Which makes it even funnier to me. You are definitely good for a laugh.

 

[FREEwoman]

Their all the same. It's just more of the same BS.

I agree Pirate!! Dem/Repub are just two faces on the same coin. The very few people at the top of the pyramid are the ones pulling Nobama's strings, and we can be certain that legalization is not part of the agenda. Weed causes people to be peaceful, innovative, creative and knowledge seekers. Those qualities are DEFINITELY not what the elite want the sheeple to possess. Keep 'em dumb and sedated on rx drugs so they are easier to control.

America really does need to WAKE UP and fast, before it is too late. This is a FREE country, yet we can't even decide for ourselves what we put into our own bodies? Ridiculous. However, we are the ones who enslave ourselves- we vote these arseholes into power. When I ask the question 'Why do we condone being told how to live by our outrageously overgrown government?' the answers I get are that we need them for protection from terrorists or things that can potentially harm us. Yes, because if we did not have the pigs/feds to throw us in jail to SAVE us from this 100% harmless plant, then we'd all be screwed, right?! (I'm so glad the government 'saves' me from having to keep half of my paycheck too). Puhlease. They truly are nothing without US!

I certainly see a revolution coming during my lifetime. Every day I see evidence of more and more people waking up to the TRUE state of reality. Seeing that there are other people out there that can see past the shadows on the cave wall really gives me hope. It has been a long time since our government has been HONEST, moral, small and under control by THE PEOPLE! I am almost certain that when enough people wake up, we will demand that which has been lost and begin to fight the big fight - for our freedom and our consciousness. I've already begun fighting that fight in my own way.

"Freedom is never voluntarily given by the oppressor; it must be demanded by the oppressed." MLK

"Any nation that thinks more of its ease and comfort than its freedom will soon lose its freedom; and the ironical thing about it is that it will lose its ease and comfort too." Maugham

"The time is near at hand which must determine whether Americans are to be free men or slaves." George Washington

I cannot wait for the day to come when we are all free and able to use this amazing plant in the plethora of useful ways that it is available to us!! But this freedom is definitely something we ALL have to fight for!

 

[mistaman]

well no shit

well no shit

I think no matter what Obama says dispensaries are very sketchy in nature. I would only deal with the smaller ones that wouldn't get raided. I think he means he isn't going to be spending money and resources not that they will come to a complete halt.

Feds aren't going to stop raiding a bunch of organized weed slangers I mean from their perspective it's total fucking bullshit.

Allowing dispensaries to operate without possibility of getting raided would essentially corner the market on mmj patients and god knows who else most of them sell to. They would be selling tax free bud and makin big bucks without any sort of regulations.

If they allowed dispensaries to distribute then wouldn't it make sense to register them and tax them just like any company? Why would they allow these random hippies to start illegitimate businesses over something they could regulate and tax?

MMJ smokers need to start growing their own or getting someone to help them. A very small percentage of the dispensary providers are legitimate growers anyways. Even if you only had one HID or a t5 with red and blue bulbs with a few plants it would be worth it. I understand not everyone is in a position to grow but it's something you should always consider if the opportunity presents itself.

It would be nice to see less superficial mmj communities like dispensaries. I would much rather go to a smoke cup or a clone swap. I guess those also have potential for profit but the point is the organizers aren't all about $$$. I understand some of the dispensary owners are really trying to help people but it's very hard not to look at it as a huge potential for large profits.

 

[Amstel Light]

You have hit the nail on the head MISTA....


everybody hollerin for legalization.. but cry when bad organizations gets busted over violating the very legalization they were fighting for WTF???..


California and it's citizens have a huge responsibility in making sure theyre model of legalization is above board.... boycot these shady playas... if it were not for a deeply instilled code i would say rat em out...they will ruin it for you and us to line theyre pockets...

and regardless of the crackpots..... this new president has spoken on this...no other time in history(cept carter) has it been discused with any positivity...

i believe this bust (which was not really a bust since no arrest were made)....was just tying up loose string's..a completion on using taxpayers money for 3(?) months of investigation...bureaucratic filler...


and i say this now.... if the state enforce theyre laws...... and the citizens take action against those who are violating the laws they worked so hard to enact......
then you wont see the DEA busting legitimate weed operations in CA.

 

[IE2KS_KUSH]

I think no matter what Obama says dispensaries are very sketchy in nature. I would only deal with the smaller ones that wouldn't get raided. I think he means he isn't going to be spending money and resources not that they will come to a complete halt.

Feds aren't going to stop raiding a bunch of organized weed slangers I mean from their perspective it's total fucking bullshit.

Allowing dispensaries to operate without possibility of getting raided would essentially corner the market on mmj patients and god knows who else most of them sell to. They would be selling tax free bud and makin big bucks without any sort of regulations.

If they allowed dispensaries to distribute then wouldn't it make sense to register them and tax them just like any company? Why would they allow these random hippies to start illegitimate businesses over something they could regulate and tax?

MMJ smokers need to start growing their own or getting someone to help them. A very small percentage of the dispensary providers are legitimate growers anyways. Even if you only had one HID or a t5 with red and blue bulbs with a few plants it would be worth it. I understand not everyone is in a position to grow but it's something you should always consider if the opportunity presents itself.

It would be nice to see less superficial mmj communities like dispensaries. I would much rather go to a smoke cup or a clone swap. I guess those also have potential for profit but the point is the organizers aren't all about $$$. I understand some of the dispensary owners are really trying to help people but it's very hard not to look at it as a huge potential for large profits.

Excellent post.

You have hit the nail on the head MISTA....


everybody hollerin for legalization.. but cry when bad organizations gets busted over violating the very legalization they were fighting for WTF???..


California and it's citizens have a huge responsibility in making sure theyre model of legalization is above board.... boycot these shady playas... if it were not for a deeply instilled code i would say rat em out...they will ruin it for you and us to line theyre pockets...

and regardless of the crackpots..... this new president has spoken on this...no other time in history(cept carter) has it been discused with any positivity...

i believe this bust (which was not really a bust since no arrest were made)....was just tying up loose string's..a completion on using taxpayers money for 3(?) months of investigation...bureaucratic filler...


and i say this now.... if the state enforce theyre laws...... and the citizens take action against those who are violating the laws they worked so hard to enact......
then you wont see the DEA busting legitimate weed operations in CA.

No arrests have been made nor charges filed, YET. In LA county they rarely make any arrests or file charges, this has been the standard, even before Obama took office. The reason being, jury nullification, plain and simple. They run that very same risk w/ the most recent one as well.
This does not excuse the fact that they are committing acts of domestic terrorism against citizens, as well as armed robbery, and destroying property etc.....
If you are going to applaud the fact that no arrests have been made, then ok. That's not anything new. A small number of the places that have been raided over the years have seen arrests or charges filed. I for one don't believe that it's ok for the federal gov to come in and terrorize citizens or destroy private property, or commit armed robbery, as long as they don't "arrest" anyone. Do you?

 

[JackTheGrower]

Changes never happen overnight. I will name my next strain "Obama".

Maybe we need to really create that strain.

Serious.


What would an Obama strain be like?

Not that I doubt your strain making skill but is it really the "Obama" strain?

 

[JackTheGrower]

California and it's citizens have a huge responsibility in making sure they're model of legalization is above board....

That's it. Simple and true.

We lead the Nation and may I say this discussion is what free speech was intended for.

We also set the bar.


Jack

 

[OldTroll]

mistaman & Amstel Light - - - Right on guys!

Those of us who are legal MMJ patients, especially those of us who are in California, have a responsibilty to the rest of the cannabis community to conduct ourselves as straight arrows in th eyes of the public. We will help our cause if our conduct and manners are above reproach.

Spewing divisiveness and hatred only weakens the position of decriminalisation.

 

[Blue Dot]

Excellent post.



No arrests have been made nor charges filed, YET. In LA county they rarely make any arrests or file charges, this has been the standard, even before Obama took office. The reason being, jury nullification, plain and simple.

The feds have never been afraid of jury nullification. Doesn't matter what county.

 

[IE2KS_KUSH]

The feds have never been afraid of jury nullification. Doesn't matter what county.

Then why do they hardly ever charge anyone in LA? While in other counties they charge and prosecute much more aggressively and at a much higher rate?