Are Bubble Bags really made from Goretex?
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Keep In mind... Bubbles true worth is around 100US a gram.
Even if you are selling your resin diluted on herb for say 2500US per lb.
lets do the math...2500 divided by say 20grams of resin..> the average for a lb of dank that you get for resin.
that is 125us per gram of resin... and that is diluted...
Now i know the prices in the US are often wayyyy above the 2500 mark.
So lets do the math at say 5000US a lb.>> Now we are up to 250us per gram of resin>
Now even in amsterdam coffee shops it hasnt quite reached this madness.. but 60 to 80 euro per gram is a very real reality .
To me the reall rip off is the prohibition of herb prices... most people find bubble to be valued at around 20 to 50 a gram.. Not many want to pay over that. However those same people will all day long pay two to three times that price for diluted resin on herb.(sometimes up to four and five times the price)
Eitherway vorsprung... my two cents. I am not here to rip anyone off.. truly my trip is I LOVE BUBBLE, and if i can share that with the world... that brings me joy.. and allows me to create a nice lifestyle for my family ... well shit... thats all one can ask for ..
My two cents
Bubble man
Ps. thanks for the kind words on the photo's
Even if you are selling your resin diluted on herb for say 2500US per lb.
lets do the math...2500 divided by say 20grams of resin..> the average for a lb of dank that you get for resin.
that is 125us per gram of resin... and that is diluted...
Now i know the prices in the US are often wayyyy above the 2500 mark.
So lets do the math at say 5000US a lb.>> Now we are up to 250us per gram of resin>
Now even in amsterdam coffee shops it hasnt quite reached this madness.. but 60 to 80 euro per gram is a very real reality .
To me the reall rip off is the prohibition of herb prices... most people find bubble to be valued at around 20 to 50 a gram.. Not many want to pay over that. However those same people will all day long pay two to three times that price for diluted resin on herb.(sometimes up to four and five times the price)
Eitherway vorsprung... my two cents. I am not here to rip anyone off.. truly my trip is I LOVE BUBBLE, and if i can share that with the world... that brings me joy.. and allows me to create a nice lifestyle for my family ... well shit... thats all one can ask for ..
My two cents
Bubble man
Ps. thanks for the kind words on the photo's
I couldn't agree more with you. Although I respectfully push that same reasoning upon the cost per cubic yard of woven nylon and poly mesh.
A lot of 'bubble' at the CA dispensaries is ~$40/g. But I nod my head w/ your 'diluted' comment as it's very hard to find real quality for that price.
Kizzattack
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Isn't the price of a product based on competitor's pricing and what people are willing to pay for the product, rather than the production cost?
I'm not looking for an argument here, by the way. I'm just looking to gain some insight as it seems there are some knowledgeable people in this thread.
I'm not looking for an argument here, by the way. I'm just looking to gain some insight as it seems there are some knowledgeable people in this thread.
That is absolutely right. The major forces in pricing are perception (marketing strategy - high end, budget, etc), demand curve for product, and competition. Base cost influences pricing solely on how it interrelates with the above factors and what is financially feasible based upon profit goals. Where I'm coming from is the fact the base cost is SO low for both the 'crappy' Ebay and 'nice' Bubble Bags, respectively, that there is a gaping hole in the market for 'nice' bags at 'crappy' bag prices.
Bubble Man's market base is the customer who wants the name brand product, that is proven, and will pay however much it takes for the assurance. The Ebay market base is the small home user, who doesn't want to drop "huge" dime (comparatively) for something they may use once or infrequently, or who perceives they are getting 'almost' the same thing for 1/4 the price.
If someone entered the market with a product that was leaps and bounds better than the Ebay crap, and arguably as good as Bubble Bags, at a price less than or equal to the Ebay crap, well.... get out your Marketing 101 textbooks and read up on pricing strategy. The unknown here is demand curve. I would like to say if Bubble Man cut his price 50% he would sell 3x as many bags (hence actually INCREASING overall profits). But because this is such a 'niche' market that 3x demand might not even exist.
Bubble Man's pricing strategy is what's called 'skim' (skim the cream off the market) strategy. (for the record, Bubble Man's market share is more than just 'skim'.. I'm speaking solely pricing) -- setting a high price and selling to customers that really don't care about cost (i.e. someone recouping the cost after one use via legal or illegal means depending on location).
The Ebay guys are attempting 'penetration pricing' -- setting price so low they get ALL the price sensitive customers. Sadly, the price sensitive customers are getting crap with mislabeled bags, bad mesh sizes and PVC coating that shaves off.
The market needs a VALUE-BASED pricing strategy - high end bags at lower 'penetration' cost. Not only will price sensitive customers appreciate the low cost, but even those that usually don't care about cost will recognize the value compared to all other options.
I think based on current economic conditions, and my personal perception when I was a consumer looking for bags that a value-based option can peacefully co-exist with all other options and is sorely needed.
Bubble Man.. this may be too private, but approx how many sets do you sell a month? Just ONE Ebay guy (the one using your trademark, BTW) is averaging ~50/month of 5gal 5bag sets. I'd multiply by 4 to cover all other Ebay options and get a rough average of 200 (this is only 5 bag sets). Add in another 100 for 3 bag sets and other options, that is a monthly demand of ~300 for off-brand bags.
Assuming Bubble Man has strong market share and global distribution both online and retail, and lets bump him up to 450 sets sold a month (split between 4 and 8 sets..lumped together). That's only a global demand of ~8,000 sets a year, total. A very small market. I could EASILY be under-estimating, or over-estimating... who knows. I'm only doing a trial run of 150 sets so it's not like I'd be biting into much market share.
Where is Quick? He has a three digit IQ.. maybe he can extrapolate additional insight.
pedrodepaco
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Seems like if you cut out the sweat labor you would save alot of money and support your local and national economy.
Well, since you're asking, it's because they won't be available until ~Sept. 20th.
I just may change your perception of the world...
pedro I can GUARANTEE you Bman IS NOT 'flying' mesh from Switzerland (he's alluding to Sefar screen, based in Switzerland, but they actually have a factory in Nepal, and all over Asia, and all over US and all over Canada..etc..etc..). I can also assure you he is not 'flying' nylon from Asia to Nepal as it's a fairly direct route. India has a HUGE textiles industry and if for any reason he really is getting his fabric from China/SE Asia it makes no sense. If he is doing that I can show him how to cut his cost basis by 75%.
More "justification" for higher prices that make no sense to me... if they make sense to anyone else I'd like to hear the logic.
pedrodepaco
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I try not to buy products that are made in a sweat shop. Some things are not an option corprate powers have there agenda and several things only come from china. I have 6 displaced workers that I know and care about. Made in nepal I will just keep buying silk screen and to it the old fashioned way my shit bubbles too.
Obviously there is a perception that most of Asia is 'sweat shop' but that is not entirely true. There are thousands of manufacturing facilities that care and treat their workers well.
I'm sure the factory in Nepal stitching Bman's bags has lots of workers extremely happy to have that work and be able to support their families. We're a global community now.. people on here from US, Canada, Europe, Asia all with the same needs as people.
Let's look at it this way, Bubble Bags support:
Swiss company
Nepal Factory
Canada business and families
Global Retail/Dist businesses and their families
that's a lot of love going round the world. Would be a shame to miss the opportunity to offer jobs/income for so many and just produce/dist solely from Canada.
pedrodepaco
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globalization is a nwo plan that is truly evil alot of americans believe in it namely the rich ones. 50 years ago we only imported things we couldnt make here and we put tarriffs on things we imported. Since free trade was implemented our economy has failed why would anyone pay 12 dollars an hour when in nepal 1 dollar american will pay a days wages? Before we imported everything people had jobs and didnt mind paying a higher price for domestic wares. Now everyone is broke and forced to buy cheap imported plastic bullshit.
pedrodepaco
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I dont feel bad for third world countries. Protect our own first and givem a little of whats left if we got it. Its not the rest of the worlds job to drain there economies to save another nations.
this is a bigger issue than global mfg. You're speaking of global financial domination (Fed Reserve and major banks (one in the same), oil companies, etc, as related to 'nwo') not manufacturing. Since free trade was implemented our economy has grown significantly. It is the usurious submission of the common man and third world countries into irreparable debt service for means of control and submission that I think should be of more concern.
Our economy has failed because large financial institutions literally robbed middle and lower class Americans and are now sucking the last lifeblood out of the common taxpayer via TARP bailouts, etc. It's these 'dominating' entities looking out for their best interests that have caused global economic chaos. It's not the mom-and-pop companies like Bubble Bags.
But that's a whole 'nother topic/discussion I would love to have.. if you start a thread or there is a thread here related to the economic crisis and the causes, I'm all about it!
C
Chamba
I'm only doing a trial run of 150 sets so it's not like I'd be biting into much market share.
lol, I knew there was a purpose to this thread..and we all thought you were trying to help us all.......feel free to contact ICmag admin to buy advertising space here, otherwise some here might consider this thread as spam masquerading as information.
btw you haven't factored in another cost : risk of jail time ...seriously!...read up on USA Drug Paraphernalia Laws, it is very specifc when it comes to equipment used for manufacturing and the trouble is there isn't a legal or legitimate use for these bags which would stand up in one of their courts.
you're good with estimating figures Vorsprung, just how much extra per bag should one allow for a possible 2 or 3 years in a Federal prison when and if the DEA gets their "Operation Ebay Mesh" up and running?
My advice is instead of trying to copy an existing product in an already crowded market, use your smarts to invent a completely new product based on the ice water method and meshes, one that doesn't involve "bags", but perhaps instead uses a series of rigid stainless steel meshes with interlocking sides?. Look into hobby gold mining equipment for ideas. The market is going to yawn at yet another set ice hash bags on offer, so do something innovative!
and all you've done by advertising detailed specifications in this thread is make it ten times easier for all the existing and potential bubble baggers to copy these specs...we all now know how smart you are, but watch those Ebay copy cats steal that info which will blunt any impact you might of had.
lol, I knew there was a purpose to this thread..and we all thought you were trying to help us all.......feel free to contact ICmag admin to buy advertising space here, otherwise some here might consider this thread as spam masquerading as information.
btw you haven't factored in another cost : risk of jail time ...seriously!...read up on USA Drug Paraphernalia Laws, it is very specifc when it comes to equipment used for manufacturing and the trouble is there isn't a legal or legitimate use for these bags which would stand up in one of their courts.
you're good with estimating figures Vorsprung, just how much extra per bag should one allow for a possible 2 or 3 years in a Federal prison when and if the DEA gets their "Operation Ebay Mesh" up and running?
My advice is instead of trying to copy an existing product in an already crowded market, use your smarts to invent a completely new product based on the ice water method and meshes, one that doesn't involve "bags", but perhaps instead uses a series of rigid stainless steel meshes with interlocking sides?. Look into hobby gold mining equipment for ideas. The market is going to yawn at yet another set ice hash bags on offer, so do something innovative!
and all you've done by advertising detailed specifications in this thread is make it ten times easier for all the existing and potential bubble baggers to copy these specs...we all now know how smart you are, but watch those Ebay copy cats steal that info which will blunt any impact you might of had.
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multi purpose filter bags made of nylon. yeah real scary stuff there. and yes this was a fact finding thread, per original post. i simply answered questions as they came up, and did have lots of information and insight to offer based on what i was learning. you are absolutely right I laid out a 'this is exactly what this shit is if you want to do it yourself' -- because I'm not out to BULLSHIT anybody. I think I've shed some light and provided quite a bit of information...
Payload bags are discussed thoroughly. There is a thread on here reviewing the "10 bubble bag options" on the market - it's not like i'm doing anything different by mentioning in complete passing, with no pushing, a potential alternative. Show me a spam link.
laws vary state-to-state, and country to country. i can't be responsible for end use and no instructions or suggestions for use provided or given. if the federal government wants to put time and resources into shutting down someone selling 150 nylon bags, that is paying taxes, well... what a sad waste of resources that would be at a time like this when the usa could use all the exports it needs.
this is the second time you've used 'scare tactics' to dissuade me from offering a product of multiple uses none expressed or implied (you don't see me posting hash shots). I'm assuming you're telling me this simply because you're concerned for my safety? Not because I have an interest in offering a 'crowded' market yet 'another of the too many' options?
Threads take their own direction.. I just wanted to know if Bubble Bags were made of Goretex. We found out they aren't. I wanted to know if all the mesh for each micron bag offering is 'Nitex' but I still haven't received an answer.
You're right -- $100 says the Ebay sellers take my advice and make their bags with PU coat instead of PVC from here forward. The whole community here can thank me for getting PVC out of their legal or illegal substance depending where they are and what their circumstance.
If seeing an opening to offer a (harmless nylon bag) product of extremely high quality at a competitive cost being sold in Canada, the USA and Europe, which isn't patented, makes me an asshole... well, you must be from a socialist country like Canada. (I kid.. I love canucks).
Anyways.. long story short - welcome to the free market. There is much innovation found in streamlining materials, manufacturing and distribution processes -- which it seems is the 'innovation' this market segment needs. And it's not like you guys should be concerned - Bubble Bags are the highest quality on the market right now and come with a lifetime guarantee. Who can compete with that? Always put principles before profit.
C
Chamba
do you really think the DEA doesn't care about those selling hash making equipment disguised as whatever you want to call them? you must be dreaming.
All it takes is one 17 year old to buy a set of those bags, get busted and the (wrecking) ball is in motion...the only question is whether they will try to get everyone in the biz or just the biggest, highest profile supplier as an example (which what they usually do..eg Chong, Lepp and others)
there's a nutrient company right now that is really flaunting it in an advanced way....you can do grey area business, keep your head low and be relatively untouchable, but when you have in your face aerial advertising, that's just asking for handcuffs..the DEA loves cutting off a "tall poppy".
I'm not trying to discourage you, just pointing out things you seem to not be aware of that might backfire on you.
anyway, we have one thing in common, I'm growing some Cindys now too (and some Cindy/Haze crosses)
Happy Hashing!
All it takes is one 17 year old to buy a set of those bags, get busted and the (wrecking) ball is in motion...the only question is whether they will try to get everyone in the biz or just the biggest, highest profile supplier as an example (which what they usually do..eg Chong, Lepp and others)
there's a nutrient company right now that is really flaunting it in an advanced way....you can do grey area business, keep your head low and be relatively untouchable, but when you have in your face aerial advertising, that's just asking for handcuffs..the DEA loves cutting off a "tall poppy".
I'm not trying to discourage you, just pointing out things you seem to not be aware of that might backfire on you.
anyway, we have one thing in common, I'm growing some Cindys now too (and some Cindy/Haze crosses)
Happy Hashing!
I kinda feel bad for filterbags.com being exposed to that kind of liability. maybe you should contact the owner?? Was Marc Emery one of these 'tall poppies' you speak of? Wasn't he extradited from Canada to the US? There is only one 'tall poppy' flaunting it in this market segment.
What Cindy stock you using? Mine turned out wonderful and have been some of my most enjoyable medicine so far. Good luck with her.. I crossed a nice vigorous pineapple male with LA Con and the same male with Hawaiian Purple Kush as well. First breeding attempt.. hope to find some keepers. Shit man now that I think about it, I'm breaking Federal Law doing this.. I hope they don't go after a small 31"x31" tent grower with arthritis... I pray states rights can hold up in court should the big bad wolf come knocking. OOOwwwoooooooo!!!!
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