Aliens, yay or nay?

[lost in a sea]

"of course we cant prove that aliens weren't at the first thanksgiving, or that they were the first pilgims to america"

well copernicus helped us understand that the world wasnt flat with facts that he had observed and calculated and i think he was burned for it by the powers that be.. the baylonian church,, as was galileo for what he said about the solar system..

whereas so far there has just been nonsense and propaganda from both the government and "believers" about aliens being behind objects moving across the sky that people cant identify..

i havent even seen a credible scientist behind any studies even they are all into other pseudo nonsense.. or whatever sells books to believers..

and it is healthy to be sceptical of things you dont understand and havent seen "proof" that you deem strong enough.. which so far has been everything ive read to do with aliens plus how little the people that "believe" seem to know about human history..

 

[HempKat]

Hempkat your rhetoric is of the armchair idiot variety.

Wow, well I guess it's a pretty good thing I'm not here seeking your approval then isn't it?

Oh and just why is it you think I give a fuck what your opinion of my opinion is?

 

[HempKat]

"of course we cant prove that aliens weren't at the first thanksgiving, or that they were the first pilgims to america"

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well copernicus helped us understand that the world wasnt flat with facts that he had observed and calculated and i think he was burned for it by the powers that be.. the baylonian church,, as was galileo for what he said about the solar system..

whereas so far there has just been nonsense and propaganda from both the government and "believers" about aliens being behind objects moving across the sky that people cant identify..

i havent even seen a credible scientist behind any studies even they are all into other pseudo nonsense.. or whatever sells books to believers..

and it is healthy to be sceptical of things you dont understand and havent seen "proof" that you deem strong enough.. which so far has been everything ive read to do with aliens plus how little the people that "believe" seem to know about human history..

Ah so you won't believe in aliens from outer space visiting earth because there is no proof and yet you're perfectly comfortable believing in government conspiracies you have no proof of?

 

[Space Toker]

i believe that the cosmos are full of life. i know im gonna sound crazy but i really don´t care. on two occasions ive seen something in the sky that i can not explain. last year and in 2008. and it wasn´t swampgas

I see countless planes and other aircraft: military, LEO, Coast Guard, Army medic, and so on. But I too have seen 2 things I couldn't explain. I am sure I documented it here somewhere, can't remember much now but certainly not like anything I ever saw before. Nothing smashing and definitive but I was sure it was not the same old same old. fwiw which to some I am sure is not much!

 

[Space Toker]

There are millions (if not billions) of stars in our own galaxy, and if even 1% of those stars have the potential to host a planet like ours, then there is a good chance we are not alone in this galaxy. Add to that the millions of galaxies in the universe, each with enough potential planets orbiting the billions and billions of stars in those galaxies and the potential is beyond comprehension.

To believe we are the only beings in the entire universe is very egotistical.

yes depending on what source you use, at least 100-200 BILLION (with a B) stars and that many galaxies too. At least half if not most of stars are thought to have planets, and even if a fraction have advanced civilizations, that's a lot of aliens! I think that we are still here is testament to the fact that the hostile ones don't last long in the grand scheme of things and those that are left are intelligent enough to hide themselves and study for a distance. What we see may be just the very rare few ships that are malfunctioning.

wow page 5 have lots of catching up to do!

 

[ELuminated]

IDK what the hell I saw at my Inlaws house but there are things you cannot explain in this universe and our sense's are pathetic at best to make any true attempt.. I leave science to the studied and build my personal judgement from the fact I know we are star dust and the vastness of time and space leaves our moment for many to collide with being it Frequency or Vibration of another gravity from some distant dimension.. we do not even know all of the Ocean how Vein it is to suggest that we KNOW we are alone.. Rant END.

 

[legalizeDK]

Ah so you won't believe in aliens from outer space visiting earth because there is no proof and yet you're perfectly comfortable believing in government conspiracies you have no proof of?

 

[BushyOldGrower]

Seeing is believing and you will all see soon.

The return of the Gods is coming and people here will be very afraid.

Skeptics have a place and a good investigation includes skepticism but I think many who refuse to entertain the notion of aliens or ufos here are really just scared.

That's understandable but I am not a coward and I do keep an open mind. The funny thing is when people try to prove that something isn't true like crop circles.

Do you want the aliens to contact us or not would be my question for the skeptics?

 

[HempKat]

Seeing is believing and you will all see soon.

The return of the Gods is coming and people here will be very afraid.

Skeptics have a place and a good investigation includes skepticism but I think many who refuse to entertain the notion of aliens or ufos here are really just scared.

That's understandable but I am not a coward and I do keep an open mind. The funny thing is when people try to prove that something isn't true like crop circles.

Do you want the aliens to contact us or not would be my question for the skeptics?

Well I don't really consider myself a skeptic since I feel confident there is other intelligent life out there in the universe. I'm just not convinced they've ever been here, yet at the same time I can see where their having been here could solve a great number of mysteries that exist in the history of mankind.

I would say I would definately want them to contact us. Friend or foe I'd much rather know for a fact they are there then to always be guessing and wondering. I would also like it because if they were there and could come here then that would mean that there is a way to deal with the distance issue that current science says can't be dealt with and therefore we need to keep looking into things to improve our understanding.

 

[bill cooper]

Out of curiousity Hempkat what mysteries would aliens having visited the earth solve in mankinds history ?

 

[OrganicBuds]

Seeing is believing and you will all see soon.

The return of the Gods is coming and people here will be very afraid.

Skeptics have a place and a good investigation includes skepticism but I think many who refuse to entertain the notion of aliens or ufos here are really just scared.

That's understandable but I am not a coward and I do keep an open mind. The funny thing is when people try to prove that something isn't true like crop circles.

Do you want the aliens to contact us or not would be my question for the skeptics?

I was kind of hoping this would happen on 12/21/2012. Would have been epic.

 

[HempKat]

Out of curiousity Hempkat what mysteries would aliens having visited the earth solve in mankinds history ?

Well first I'm not saying they would necessarily solve them but may solve them. What they may, and forgive me but I don't know the names of the places and they're scattered in various parts of the world, but explain things that were accomplished in a time where we can't figure out or find evidence of how certain things were built. Like for example there is a place built in the mountains somewhere along the Andes I think, where they can tell that the large stone blocks came from a quarry at a much lower altitude but the stones are so large and heavy and the paths up the mountain too steep for any conventional use of large amounts of manpower (as was typical in building things like the pyramids) to overcome. I have also read of a tunnel somewhere in the Andes that has walls cut so smooth we couldn't even match it today with laser technology and in this same place there also exists a doorway consisting of one very large stone piece weighing many tons but the way it's balance and hinged a couple of average strength people can open and close it relatively easily. Yet none of the indigenous people of the area show any degree of construction skill that comes even close to that used in building this tunnel. Although as I understand it there is or was a tribe of South American Indians that guard the location of this tunnel and they believe they're guarding it for the gods that created it. That they were charged by the gods with the task of doing so.

It also might explain how the Mayans had such an exact understanding of the movement and alignment of celestial bodies hundreds maybe even thousands of years before the invention of the telescope or great minds like Copernicus, Galileo, Newton and Kepler that formed the basis of our understanding of the universe we still have today.

i have read that 3 times now and i still have no idea what your trying to say gibberish

Of course I'm curious about something entirely different, like why you would ask me to elaborate on a thought I expressed when your previous opinion of my thoughts was as quoted above?

 

[Jellyfish]

Easter Island, The Pyramids, crop circles, Stonehenge

 

[bill cooper]

no other motives Hempkat just what i said curiousity and i still think your other quote was gibberish lol i think you will find any ancient monuments around the world can be explained without the need for alien intervention and quotes like tunnels being laser cut probably came from some history channel nut or similar rather than someone with knowledge of engineering !

 

[bill cooper]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j9w-i5oZqaQ
heres a good video for debunking a lot of the ancient aliens nonsense

 

[HempKat]

no other motives Hempkat just what i said curiousity and i still think your other quote was gibberish lol i think you will find any ancient monuments around the world can be explained without the need for alien intervention and quotes like tunnels being laser cut probably came from some history channel nut or similar rather than someone with knowledge of engineering !

Well actually it was something I read in a book, I can't say for sure if it was the authors accessment nor could I say what knowledge of engineering the person who said it might have or not have.

Are you sure you had no other motive? I mean if it was just curiousity once answered you should have been like "Okay, thanks HempKat, I was just curious." Seems pretty obvious to me you wanted to punch holes in the idea but you needed to know specifically what I was refering to in order to make your view sound convincing. Such as suggesting the people making certain claims didn't have the expertise to do so. When in fact you know even less about those people then I do.

 

[bill cooper]

Think what you like Hempkat ,iwhy don't you try watching the video i posted

 

[Hank Hemp]

Y'all know the stoner chic pics thread is 8 days older but only 1 page longer. I'm just saying...... you know,..something, oh yeah go UFO's go, yeah.

 

[HempKat]

Think what you like Hempkat ,i may of been abusive earlier in the thread but i'm behaving now lol why don't you try watching the video i posted and make your own mind up about ancient aliens

You remind me of someone else who seems to think that just because I don't agree with him on a certain topic means I haven't checked out anything he's posted as evidence of his views, as if the only possible way I could not agree was if I ignore his notions of "proof" of his views. I will admit I didn't watch all 3 hours of it but I only needed the 16 minutes I did watch to see that the narrator was asserting his and others opinions as fact, much the same way he claimed the people he was alledgedly debunking did.

Oh and where did I suggest you were being abusive? Dishonest disingenuous sure but abusive? You think too much of yourself.

 

[bill cooper]

The reason i said about being absusive was because i was earlier in the thread which i regret and the reason i asked you what aliens being in contact with man in the past would proove was because i was genuinly curious to see what nonsense you would come away with so how does that make me a liar maybe you should try watching the video again you might learn something which could save you from spouting your ignorant nonsense in the future and making a clown of yourself again but some how i doubt you will bother ignorance is bliss eh