How about all the Aptus "haters" start their own thread so some of us can learn from dt and jack. Not just about aptus but how to have a nice clean prof set up. If you dont like aptus cool but there is more to these grows than that. And for these guys to actually spend time posting to help others just for people to say their 2 cents and havent even used aptus. sorry for the rant just would hate to see jack or dt not post due to aptus negativity...many blessings