This started as a "whats on the list but does not have Chem Dawg in it" thread. It has drifted and the title is misleading but that explains the lack of Sour and OG comments.
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This started as a "whats on the list but does not have Chem Dawg in it" thread. It has drifted and the title is misleading but that explains the lack of Sour and OG comments.
Would you mind adding this to my new thread "Smaller Breeders" I am trying to rally some support for the little guys. I see hundreds of small seed banks I have never heard of that look promising.
I don't see/recall/find a diesel either...I think most seed banks sold a SSH knock off...but those are not the strain in question?
I must say I am fascinated by the Nevil/Shanti/Arijan BS. Its off topic from the best lineage and what are the Chem Dawg parents..... but then again its not.
The list I compiled has a ton of old genetics attributed to these guys. Without knowing who's lying this topic is kinda pointless. I mean, if Nl or G-13 or SSH is part of the ChemDawg parents but we don't know where to get the real NL/G-13/SSH then why try and figure it out.
As for who's full of more shit I REALLY don't know. Hell I'm 35 and live in Colorado. I've never meet (even seen) any of these guys. What I do know is that every clone I ever got was probably miss labeled (or a lie...made up name). I wonder if these guys were as bad as me and my friends...after all they were all stoner kings and ex-cons hiding from the police playing one of the worlds shadiest international games. (Shady by normal people's standards, I think its great). Funny how now they are all business men.
I bring it up because maybe you have to know the scene like these guys to remember the mystery diesel
Note: I mean no disrespect to any off the parties mentioned. I'm just pointing out a piece of the puzzle that does not get discussed very often. I also read 100's of posts in response to these kind of debates and have NO IDEA if the comments I am reading are from people who really know or are just spouting BS. For all I know, one guy is friends with Nevil and the next guy a cop....I have not been in the forums long enough to know?
Anyway, good to know I am not the only one interested in this.
I once asked a doctor how bad a colonoscopy was. She said, "the body has 1000's of times more nerve endings that the brain can process information from. Therefor everyone interprets it different...some good, most bad, for others its pure hell. Good Luck." She then smiled and ran away.
Biology Jokes...I'm sorry
You wanna see some funny shit? Look into BC seeds. Not BC bud depot. Just "BC seeds.
According to them, they have the most potent strains.
Stoney Girl Gardens claims some high numbers too. And she harvest all her plants at like 30 days.
According to them, they have the most potent strains.
Stoney Girl Gardens claims some high numbers too. And she harvest all her plants at like 30 days.
bioguy
Cool i like the attitude ... But Both topics have threads Several .The Chem lineage has been made out to quite a few Lineages .Best place to search is where it started at an i believe i touched on that .Potency as mentioned is subjective to each indivdual an with the recent lab test the THC% are IMO an amusing subject ...Im more the Ill be the judge of that type guy
While strains are always evolving an opinions changing the most potent will Change over time but the Chem/Og trend anint goin anywhere anytime soon .
I dont recall an exact post but Nevil has never went against it ,When Shanti has stated he was given all Nevil's parental stock aswell as Seed stock .The only other cats that had
OSH /mothers an i believe the infamous HzC was Johan an his Friend Frans an Bonk must be mentioned an whoever they circulated the clone onlys to.
As for SSH being in the hands of many its all over Holland from a selected Cut/s .This also seemed to be more of a popular batardized Name tag/switching many years after she came to fame n Nevil left the Scene .Also I dont believe Nevil shared any SSH cut atleast he never admitted to it .As you say its highly knocked off N hybridized
Knowledge is a Never end quest brother
Im sure he wont be insulted ,but I dont think that Tag is best suiting .Motarebel has been around for sometime .His Name an Strains are known by many supporters an for sure he's popular on the Med Scene .Herijuana is highly sought after an was worked by him years back after he obtained the stock
1luvbigherb
Cool i like the attitude ... But Both topics have threads Several .The Chem lineage has been made out to quite a few Lineages .Best place to search is where it started at an i believe i touched on that .Potency as mentioned is subjective to each indivdual an with the recent lab test the THC% are IMO an amusing subject ...Im more the Ill be the judge of that type guy
While strains are always evolving an opinions changing the most potent will Change over time but the Chem/Og trend anint goin anywhere anytime soon .
I dont recall an exact post but Nevil has never went against it ,When Shanti has stated he was given all Nevil's parental stock aswell as Seed stock .The only other cats that had
OSH /mothers an i believe the infamous HzC was Johan an his Friend Frans an Bonk must be mentioned an whoever they circulated the clone onlys to.
As for SSH being in the hands of many its all over Holland from a selected Cut/s .This also seemed to be more of a popular batardized Name tag/switching many years after she came to fame n Nevil left the Scene .Also I dont believe Nevil shared any SSH cut atleast he never admitted to it .As you say its highly knocked off N hybridized
Knowledge is a Never end quest brother
Im sure he wont be insulted ,but I dont think that Tag is best suiting .Motarebel has been around for sometime .His Name an Strains are known by many supporters an for sure he's popular on the Med Scene .Herijuana is highly sought after an was worked by him years back after he obtained the stock
1luvbigherb
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I don't see/recall/find a diesel either...I think most seed banks sold a SSH knock off...but those are not the strain in question?
I must say I am fascinated by the Nevil/Shanti/Arijan BS. Its off topic from the best lineage and what are the Chem Dawg parents..... but then again its not.
The list I compiled has a ton of old genetics attributed to these guys. Without knowing who's lying this topic is kinda pointless. I mean, if Nl or G-13 or SSH is part of the ChemDawg parents but we don't know where to get the real NL/G-13/SSH then why try and figure it out.
As for who's full of more shit I REALLY don't know. Hell I'm 35 and live in Colorado. I've never meet (even seen) any of these guys. What I do know is that every clone I ever got was probably miss labeled (or a lie...made up name). I wonder if these guys were as bad as me and my friends...after all they were all stoner kings and ex-cons hiding from the police playing one of the worlds shadiest international games. (Shady by normal people's standards, I think its great). Funny how now they are all business men.
I bring it up because maybe you have to know the scene like these guys to remember the mystery diesel
Note: I mean no disrespect to any off the parties mentioned. I'm just pointing out a piece of the puzzle that does not get discussed very often. I also read 100's of posts in response to these kind of debates and have NO IDEA if the comments I am reading are from people who really know or are just spouting BS. For all I know, one guy is friends with Nevil and the next guy a cop....I have not been in the forums long enough to know?
Anyway, good to know I am not the only one interested in this.
Im not into the Drama or negative Bs which you'll see some love here ,I myself never joined those convos .The story in short is some Golden days are gone an history was made by afew. As our brother says Proofs in the Seed
Im not sure how you came to that conclusion .Nevil made hybrids with both NL n G13 an created SSH Shanti still holds this work .Check the link below reguarding G13
http://www.mrnice.nl/forum/104058-post319.html
Its hard too see threw the Haze dont believe everything you read on Canna Boards .BUt i must say Some of the Most knowledegable folk who were around since old days aswell as Some of the top breeders in the Community an Biggest influences in the Community are part of the ICmag Fam .MNS Forums IME was once a great place many left ,BUt there is Sooo Much valuble Info still posted
I applaud you in your efforts to find what it is you Seek .I advise you Dont let negative comments stir you off path an be persistant in your search .I went on a journey to Find what i was looking for an After Much research an Blessing from a Kind soul ,I found the Truth.
I wanna suggest though tracing lineages from Taste/Scents ive learned will not give much revelation or solid trail .Look into Terpenes an Terpenoids may shed some light ,Check this link
http://terpenes.weebly.com/
1luvbigherb
That was a typo...it should have said "IF we don't know". I was referring to the argument. I also believe those strains are still available at Mr Nice but Arijan says they are everywhere (some say they are nowhere...or only available as IBL). I have been on Shanti's side since I first read about this argument but IDK why....I have NO first hand knowledge. Thats why I mentioned I don't know them.
As for the SSH. The accusation from Arijan is that Nevil gave the clone to many. When I mentioned mislabeled clones/mistakes/lies I was hinting that Nevil may have given out cuttings that others thought were SSH but were not. If they gave them to Arijan he may be wrong but not know it (thats why all my cuts are probably mis named). Is he wrong or lying or maybe even right???? Nevil also mentions that he may have been betrayed by someone in a position of trust. Was this part of the betrayal and even he does not know?
Quote from Arijan "you claim that nobody else has the original plants of SSH and NH. Bullshit again. Neville gave them to the people in Tilburg and Breda who are still working with it. Neville gave it to the Bedrocan crew so now the SSH is in the pharmacies all over The Netherlands; Neville gave it to the Nose; Neville gave it to the crazy bitch; Neville gave it to Wendy, who was working for him at one point; and Neville gave it to Misha and Paris. So it’s all over the place. Actually, Neville himself lost everything in 2002 by a raid on his house in Bemel."
I believe he means the original cut not later versions. Now I hate to side with Ariijan (its only for the sake of debate and understanding) but if Nevil lost them in 02 and never gave them out...where did the stock at Mr Nice seeds come from. GH won a cup with the cut in 98 according to Nevil...how if he did not have it (I think he clais the got the product from someone else...they could have sold a cut too)? Finally I wonder why Shanti and Nevil had a falling out.
I like the comment above about the proof is in the seeds. I don't know anyone that has grown MN seeds but GH seeds have been terrible in my personal experience. I've had others "refuse to waste their space" on them and sometimes people rave about them.
WHOOPS I did not mean to insult! AT ALL!
I'm just thinking that Green House sells so many seeds compared to even the best small breeder. "Smaller Breeders" should be smaller companies or something else. IDK
what no sour bubble? sour b aint low yielding its medium yielding. the fast finish makes up for it in additional crop /crops.
Those are only the breeders that admit to it how about the many that don't give credit
1luvbigherb
no offense its very interesting listening to the stories but since those days there has been so much more diversity and plenty of strong strains. fair enough they were big in their day but they are relics of a bygone era. the dutch imo don't have anything that cant be found elsewhere.
I very much disagree, but its a matter of opinion
my take on these "new" genetics and you say things are more diverse?
I would disagree
IMHO bottle-necking of strains and genetics have been going on for the past 15 years..i don't call that diversity..
I call it watering down the gene pool
peace
Chefboy
selective breeding over countless generations produces better results.
watering down would involve bringing in shitty genetics and using those to breed with. who does that?
if I wanted cherry taste smell its out there, melon? its out there... the list goes on. many different highs, many different plants.
don't get me wrong, ive got mothers of strain which are 20years old. still doesn't mean that the old shit is the best shit.
I like some of the old ones but tbh everyone gives nevil etc attention because they were pioneers of their time. but times change.. jmo
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I dont believe Nevil would be offended ,Nor Shanti we all have our opinions .Nevil obviously agrees as he has been on a quest for the best. which doesnt include those same Old Dutch strains .BUt i do believe Mns should bring some new blood into rotation
I agree an Disagree ,I feel to know were your goin you should know where you came from .The dutch never had anything until it was Brought by Sams an than just mixed it like a bad batch of biscuits .With a handful being the exception
The New Kush train is not a ride im buyin a ticket for .IMO its the same thing the dutch did with Sk1/NL/Haze Etc .I think a Great Haze Blows these Kush hybrids out the water .But i agree that many of the Dutch Strain's of Fame from the 90's are not in the same league as what has become
Id do believe that Nevs maple leaf, Hashplant or A5/Ag13 ,G13Nl1 ,GHash Would stack an crush much of what is thought to be Bomb .
Btw
I was hopin you were gonna give your thoughts on most potent strains especially given your smokin method
Much Respect
1luvbigherb
Bioguy
You seem to have some interest which i think would better be understood with some research ,Its all there .You can look at Mns site an forums here.
Remeber the Folk in south Holland i mentioned an Arjan in the quote above were given Cuts in the late 80's i think he implies original parents .Only problem SSH wasnt selected till 97 an i believe Nevilles haze released around the same time .Soo the Duuu couldnt have had the parents from the S.Holland Crew if he did why did he Teamn with Nevil an Shanti
I could go on but its best you check for yourself .I will share one more thing .I smoked HPH from Green House CS on a trip to Adam later on IC i inquired abit an Franco explained in post it was not in the Genetic valut but a Crop from S.Holland maybe that will give some insight
1luvbigherb
I think thats true too an extent .
But how Does the Old saying go Its not what you have its what you do with it
1luvbigherb
Agreed. I grew my first C-plant in 1989, and believe me genetics in those days were not better. Today there's a wider range of genetics from all over the world, and just about any potency, yield, flavor or color that you want. We didn't have that then, we had about half a dozen strains to work with, which are all considered classics now by kiddie growers.
That's the kind of ethnocentric attitudes you often get from US growers. You know the strains that US West and East coast growers have been working with for decades do not originate in the US. Most of them originates in the Middle East or the Himalayas, or have been brought up from South America. Lots of good work has been done to improve them sure, but it has been done in other places as well. There's great genetics all over the world that never gets hyped up in the US-dominated forums, but they're just as outstanding as the OG Kushes, the Sour Diesels, the GS Cookies or what have you.
The best weed I ever had was sold to me by a 8 year old street vendor in Mysore, India. Outlandish potency, incensed, strong flavor. No Chemdog or Haze could match it. You will probably never hear of it, because no army of adolescents will hype it as the craziest shit they ever smoked in the pot forums. That's how you create a "Chronic", one guy starts using the word, then the parrots do the rest...
