Aliens, yay or nay?

[BushyOldGrower]

Yes Harry, your position is neither offensive or insulting. I agree that eye witness reports have their problems but they are evidence used even to convict of murder. If enough people see the same thing it is considered reliable.

Vertical take off is noisy and blows shit around but I did hear jet engines one time when it lifted straight up off the ground. But when it came in it was silent and it didn't land like that. There was no noise and a harrier jet couldn't have landed there silently. It couldn't have done what it did either squiggling crazily around on the ground so fast.

I don't know about one video and people do make fakes but they only do this to pretend that all the evidence is false and that's convenient for skeptics. I have some skepticism of stuff and even of myself really but I liked your post Harry.

I wonder if you hope we have good space brothers or not?

 

[BushyOldGrower]

Hard light? Whoa, that's heavy...imagine doing sun dab hits in a hard glass hologram!!

 

[Harry Gypsna]

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I wonder if you hope we have good space brothers or not?

This what worries me (and Steven Hawking) about sending signals into space advertising our location and our existence. It could go "The abyss" with helpful aliens ushering in a new age, or it could be more "Falling skies" or "V" if aliens were actually coming here.
Looking at it from a human perspective, if they think and behave anything like us, a quick look at the history of the human race will tell you that good things never come from an advanced culture meeting an less advanced culture, depending of course on which culture you belong to. The white European colonisation/invasion of the Americas was great for white Europeans, not so cool for the indigenous people though. Of course that is assuming they are anything like us, but even if they are not, who is to say that they would consider us to be any better than cockroaches to be exterminated.
We could become a happy utopian planet with food replicators and no need to work or fight, or we could be demolished to make way for the Vogons galactic bypass.
Having said all that, I think artificial intelligence, designed by humans is a more pressing concern right now. They are already building independant (no human controller) robot drones. Haven't these people seen Terminator? They even have a computer system called Skynet FFS.
Toke it easy

 

[ezak420]

Are there Aliens advanced enough, they can interpret, measure and manipulate the force of gravity? Contemplating my cosmic insignificance.

 

[Harry Gypsna]

Vertical take off is noisy and blows shit around but I did hear jet engines one time when it lifted straight up off the ground. But when it came in it was silent and it didn't land like that. There was no noise and a harrier jet couldn't have landed there silently. It couldn't have done what it did either squiggling crazily around on the ground so fast.

Conventional Vertical take off technology which is well known in the public domain, is noisy.
They have managed to build silent helicopters (Osama raid), who knows what else they have stored away.

 

[lost in a sea]

Hard light? Whoa, that's heavy...imagine doing sun dab hits in a hard glass hologram!!

that would be pretty mind blowing as an everyday implement, sadly its a dystopia we live in and it will be used for evil..

 

[-~Wind Walker~-]

It doesn't count for much but I do have been around aircraft a bit, as well as flying glider/small plane several times (non solo). Unless that was a SR-71 putting on a show, I don't know.

Sorry 'bout that. I got the bird retro fitted with directional thrusters and was testing the equipment.

-~WW~-

 

[BushyOldGrower]

I agree that enlightened aliens could be wishful thinking but I did meet that nice man who thought to me that he was from another planet and that there were a million of his kind here to help us. We evolved from the jungle and so did they but that doesn't mean they are still animals like us.

We might act like the Ferengi but hopefully our gods aren't so capitalistic. In a million years even humans could change. It is a reasonable fear Harry but I asked if you wished we had good space brothers. Not if you wished to advertise our presence.

I would welcome contact even if they do use us. They probably enslaved us in the past to mine gold for them but we probably learned a lot from them. Unless they eat us all we still might learn something from them.

Perhaps we could join the Federation and have protection treaties to protect us from the low life aliens who might take advantage of a young world. They must have rules and conflicts with each other but I for one would see contact as a breakthrough moment for our planet.

I will take them to my leader...Mrs. BOG

 

[BushyOldGrower]

I forgot to say something...what was it?

Oh yeah, did you watch the movie Avatar? In that movie we are the invaders and most of us are real dicks like capitalist pigs. Some of our people took their side however. We have these bad tendencies but we already realize that it is morally wrong to interfere with a primitive culture. We see the damage we have done to them. Perhaps logic dictates a longer view and perhaps capitalism and our worst tendencies will be overcome eventually.

They could be and should be way ahead of us.

 

[PhenoMenal]

One thing to consider is how advanced they are, but also what their capabilities are _at this particular time_ ...

Consider crocodiles as aliens ... theyve been around as long as the dinosaurs, but they're never going to be able to build spacecraft. If there are alien crocs on other planets they're never gonna come here.

Consider humans ... we can and have built spacecraft, but we've been doing it for a very tiny window of time - less than 100 years. We might find a planet where people resemble humans from a few hundred years ago ... we might find a planet where people resemble humans from a few hundred years in the future! ...

And even if there is a human-like/capable race out their they're still restricted by the size and laws of the universe ... if it takes us 501 days to do a round trip via Mars then aliens are going to need to be ridiculously smart in order to just get into our solar system!!!

Timing is critical

 

[Storm Shadow]

http://rt.com/news/lake-vostok-russia-bacteria-944/

Russian researchers have found unidentified bacteria in waters of the unique sub-glacial Lake Vostok. However, this is not a sensational discovery since the microorganism was found in possible kerosene contaminated waters.
The finding from the water sample taken in May 2012 showed that the bacteria do not belong to any of the existing classes of bacteria. Before the latest discovery, science knew only one species of bacteria that can live under these conditions.

“The last analysis was completed a week ago - there will be another, but the results are unlikely to change anything. After exclusion of all known contaminants - extraneous organisms -bacterial DNA was detected, which does not coincide with any of the known species in the world,” RIA Novosti quotes Sergey Bulat of the St. Petersburg Nuclear Physics Institute in Russia.

However, the discovery turns out not to be that sensational.

“There has been one strain of bacteria which we did not find in drilling liquid, but these bacteria could in principal use kerosene as an energy source,” the head of the laboratory of the same institution, Vladimir Korolev said. "That is why we can’t say that a previously-unknown bacteria was found,” he stressed.

Vostock research camp in Antarctica (Reuters / Alexey Ekaikin)



In February 2012 Russian researchers became the first in the world to reach the waters of Lake Vostok after more than decades of drilling work.

This year, on January 10, scientists came up with another record. They managed to reach the fresh ice at a depth of 3383 meters and took samples at 3,406 meters. Ice formed as the water from the lake rose into the hole due to upward-pressure in the crack researchers drilled last February.

Last year Russian scientists managed to drill through 3700 meters of ice, reach the surface of the lake and take 40 liters of prehistoric water. However, those samples, scientists said later, were not clean enough to prove the existence of any kind of life –the water contained some substances of drilling liquid, kerosene and Freon, used while getting through the thick ice.

As recently as March 1, Russian researchers successfully obtained fresh ice samples from the lake as the work continues there. They said it would take months to clarify whether life exists in the fossil water below the 3.5-km deep glacier.

All water samples will be brought to St. Petersburg in May on board the research ship Academic Fyodorov, which is currently working in the Antarctic.

Vostock research camp in Antarctica (Reuters / Alexey Ekaikin)



Russian specialists, supported by their British counterparts, discovered Lake Vostok back in 1996. Sonar and satellite images later proved the lake to be one of the world’s largest freshwater reservoirs. With its area reaching 15,000 sq. km and a depth exceeding 1,200 meters, Lake Vostok is one of the biggest among 370 sub-glacial lakes in Antarctica.


In 1998 scientists had to halt the drilling just 130 meters from the lake’s surface after alarming concerns the ancient and unblemished waters risked being polluted if special precautions were not taken.


The relevant technology was developed only in 2003 in St. Petersburg. Work resumed in 2005 after further tests.


The Lake Vostok Station drilling project is one of several Antarctic drilling experiments. Most of them however focus on extracting the ice cores, which provide valuable data on the climate conditions of past eons.


American researchers managed to drill through 800 meters of ice and reach the sub-glacial Lake Whillans in late January. They sampled water and sediment ice from the lake’s bottom, with initial analysis indicating presence of microbial life.


A British team attempted to drill into the Lake Ellsworth and collect samples of sediment from the bottom. This effort was postponed last December 2012 after the scientific team found that its novel hot water drilling technology didn’t work as well as they had hoped.

 

[Storm Shadow]

By definition its Alien. Alien doesn't mean it has to come from space.

 

[Harry Gypsna]

I agree that enlightened aliens could be wishful thinking but I did meet that nice man who thought to me that he was from another planet and that there were a million of his kind here to help us. We evolved from the jungle and so did they but that doesn't mean they are still animals like us.

We might act like the Ferengi but hopefully our gods aren't so capitalistic. In a million years even humans could change. It is a reasonable fear Harry but I asked if you wished we had good space brothers. Not if you wished to advertise our presence.

I would welcome contact even if they do use us. They probably enslaved us in the past to mine gold for them but we probably learned a lot from them. Unless they eat us all we still might learn something from them.

Perhaps we could join the Federation and have protection treaties to protect us from the low life aliens who might take advantage of a young world. They must have rules and conflicts with each other but I for one would see contact as a breakthrough moment for our planet.

I will take them to my leader...Mrs. BOG

I would definitely hope that they are friendly and helpful , as opposed to scary space Nazis.

 

[Suspect]

I'm so high right now, this godly high makes me feel like an outer-planet alien.

Everyone chill, our race is benevolent..

 

[DreamsofTesla]

I will take them to my leader...Mrs. BOG

BOG, you are always fun.

<3 Tesla

 

[DreamsofTesla]

By definition its Alien. Alien doesn't mean it has to come from space.

Yes, Mexico is on earth

My Mexican foster mother used to say, "Superman was an illegal alien."

/offtopic

 

[BushyOldGrower]

The post about the Russian waters is interesting though slightly off topic. I liked the pics and maybe the point is how hard life tries to spring forth.

More than a father god I see a force of life and intelligence that causes life to progress and evolve. Just look at the species found on Earth. How many kinds?

Bacteria for sure being very simple and hardy seem to form to suit the conditions rather than the other way around. Makes it seem that every possible bug eyed alien might actually exist. We have some varied and strange life forms right here.

Thanks Harry...I hope they love weed!

 

[DreamsofTesla]

http://rt.com/news/lake-vostok-russia-bacteria-944/

Russian researchers have found unidentified bacteria in waters of the unique sub-glacial Lake Vostok. However, this is not a sensational discovery since the microorganism was found in possible kerosene contaminated waters.

That is pretty interesting. It leaves me with a number of unrelated questions, not the least of which is how stupid are the scientists doing this drilling, that they contaminate the water they're trying to sample?

Also, this may provide a solution for the fracking menace, bacteria that can eat this toxic crap.

<3 Tesla

 

[legalizeDK]

another one https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WRB0l11uol0

 

[DrFever]

i found this interesting

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0aDrK6bUCTQ

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Medthy53XbM