Aliens, yay or nay?

[Hubbleman]

They also believe, as you said, that the earth is a living organism that is aware of us.

I like how your thinking


Gaia... FTW

 

[mean mr.mustard]

The planet seems to fit the bill for an organism.

 

[Sativa Dragon]

aliens coming by our small, insignificant ball of rock

Actually it's a molten Iron core with a very thin crust that is a mixture of mineral deposits, the rest would be water, Rock suggests we are insignificant indeed. Fairly Cynical perspective.

Peace

 

[Anti]

Oh so how you've had to endure the same arguements from the same people for over 60 pages is about my opinion of you?

No. The part where I have to DEFEND MYSELF TO YOU is the part that is about me. That you're bringing ME up (not my arguments) is COMPLETELY OFF TOPIC... why are we discussing ME all of a sudden?

That you've decided to attack peoples belief simply because you personally have decided they're unsubstantiated and/or absurd is all about my opinion of you?

Nope. You have DECIDED that I am attacking peoples belief (sic). What I am doing is ARGUING with people's STATEMENTS about their beliefs. They are free to believe whatever they like.

I think you've just proven yourself unfit to judge anyone else, your view is too skewed in your favor. You apparently think everything is about you.

You're talking about ME right now, aren't you? Or am I hallucinating/

Btw - I said I was the judge for myself just as you are the judge for yourself. I never claimed I was the judge of other people and I have said so many times throughout this conversation.

No, it's right there in the title, "Aliens Yah or Nay" no need for elections, just the ability to read and comprehend english is all that's required, no elections necessary.

The thread has gone almost 80 pages and it has not done so because the MAJORITY of the posts say "Yes - I believe in aliens!" or "No - I don't believe in aliens."

It has gone 80 pages because of the DISCUSSION and the DISCUSSION belongs to ALL OF US.

Get over yourself.

First of all I'm not telling you that you shouldn't be here. I'm asking you to be more respectful of peoples views.

You aren't asking very nicely.

I can see though in your current "it's all about me" mode, where you would see it as me telling you you shouldn't be here.

I can see how in your current "I think I know Anti's mind" mode, you think you know what I think I see. But you're wrong.

I did come in and vote and leave an explaination and then I didn't say anything for several pages while I watched people like you and Bill diligently attack everyone with demands for proof and suggestions of how poorly you thought of whatever reasoning brought them to form their beliefs.

You can call it attacks on people, but i would call it argument with the way they phrased their statements. Like (for instance) I didn't call you a self-righteous prick. I said you seem like a self-righteous prick. Can you see the difference?

I've spent much of the 70 pages fighting against that because if you'll look around what was once a fun and active thread with people openly sharing their beliefs and experiences has been steadily dying off.

Well that's ok. This thread (according to you) is not about fun and active sharing of their beliefs and experiences. Each person is supposed to make a simple, short statement in the affirmation or the negative and then go away quietly.

Most threads like this don't go 70 pages. The fact that we're approaching 80 pages suggests that people ARE returning and enjoying the thread AS IS... or it would have DIED already.

Likely because most people don't want to be judged by someone like you and have their beliefs picked apart and put on display.

Nobody is being forced to have their beliefs picked apart and put on display.

It rallied briefly when you went silent for a little bit because you were acting persecuted and wondering why everyone was hating on you.

I didn't go silent because of the reasons that you suppose. I have a life outside of this thread. Sometimes I have to do things for DAYS AT A TIME.

It's called life. Maybe you have one, too?

So I tried to encourage a lighter mood by posting some pics claiming them to be proof even though clearly they were not. Unfortunately you got over your belief that everyone hated you and started attacking again.

I don't give a fuck if everyone hates me. But judging by the karma that I recieve DAILY from this thread, I'd say that not EVERYBODY hates me. So I have no persecution complex. I am simply arguing with anyone who makes unsubstantiated claims as if they are facts.

I didn't talk down to BOG when he discussed his personal experiences, for example. But when someone shows a video of LIGHTS and I see nothing but lights but they were showing the video as EVIDENCE of aliens... I point out the flaws in their reasoning in MY WAY.

You do it in your way. And not everybody likes your way either, but you don't hear us whining about it or derailing the thread to tell you how much we don't like it, do you?

I say you're too personally involved to objectively judge what you're doing in this thread. Lets ask Bombadil.360, LegalizeDK, Hubbleman and everyone else's opinion you've attacked if they feel you're just trying to have a conversation and haven't called anyone a fool.

Quote me calling someone a fool. I can argue with your ideas without making a judgment of you as a person. A reasonable person can have an unreasonable belief. But the reasonable thing to do when someone shows you exactly how your belief is unreasonable is to CHANGE YOUR MIND or restate your belief in a way that resolves the conflict.

Some how I just don't believe they'll come to the same rosey conclusion you have.

Why are we spending so much time on your conception of what I am doing here? What does this have to do with aliens?

You are free to believe whatever you like. And I am free to argue with anything you post. And I will argue if I think you are formulating your thoughts in an imprecise or untrue way.

Where have I said that I have you all figured out or asserted that I'm definately smarter then you think I am? I have no conclusive statement from you as to exactly what you think my level of smartness is.

Let's think about that for a second. You are trying to break me down. You are fighting with your conception of who I am. You are not arguing with my statements or ideas. You are battling the simulacrum of "Anti" that you have in your own head. The real guy who logs on under the name "Anti" is completely unknown to you. You are reading my words and imagining all sorts of things that just aren't in my mind.

As stated many times... if you are reading my words as if I am typing them furiously hunched over my computer and frothing at the mouth - you have completely misunderstood everything I have been saying.

I am participating in this conversation for the FUN of it.

If you are not having fun anymore... it's ok to stop.

If you are having a really fun time trying to figure ME out... we could take it to PM if you want. I personally think it is mucking up the thread and probably not nearly as interesting for most people as it might seem to you or me.

I would have to have such a conclusive statement to be able to definitively state I am smarter then you think I am. I probably am because of dismissive comments you've made of my views such as suggesting I am telling people to be so open minded their brains spill on the floor, suggust you don't think much of what my level of smartness is.

Who's making things about them?

I wasn't speculating who was elected to run this thread. The topic of who was elected to run this thread has never come up. You positioned yourself as having the right to challenge any opinion you decide is unsubstantiated and/or absurd. To which I questioned who elected you to do that. I then merely suggested you could be a little more respectful of people's opinions, If I was trying to run the thread I wouldn't be making suggestions. I'd be doing like you and saying I have the self appointed right to demand you behave more respectfully just like you have appointed yourself judge of peoples beliefs and demand they prove things to your satisfaction.

I never said I had the self appointed right to demand anything.

I said I have a right to judge for myself the things that I will accept.

I immediately followed that statement with another statement stating that YOUare also free to judge for yourself anything you damn well please.
Go back and read it again.

Oh so what, are you the only person allowed to judge people then?

I'm the only person who is allowed to judge for me what I think about any given person, idea, statement or experience.

Get it?

It's fine for you to judge everyone else but how dare anyone judge you?

Get over yourself. You have either completely misread my statements or you are being imprecise in your characterization of events. Everybody is free to judge for themselves anything they damn well please! How much clearer can I make this point?

Get over yourself. I would have stopped had you left it at you could see what I was saying. You didn't though, you went on to try and justify it by suggesting you were driven to this point of being disrespectful after 60 pages of argueing with the same people about the same things.

I didn't say I was driven to be disrespectful. I specifically asked how many times I must answer the EXACT SAME QUESTION from the EXACT SAME PERSON before I stop answering it with a bunch of smiley emoticons.

If you don't like the way I participate, you are free to think anything you like about me, and you are free to argue with me, and you are free to ignore me.

Which unfortunately turned out to be bullshit, since your very first post on page 3 in this thread had you being disrespectful of people's opinions.

Why should I automatically respect other people's opinions? If you walked into a clan meeting, would you automatically respect everybody's opinion?

If your opinion is based on no evidence at all... sorry. I don't respect it. I might (or might not) still respect the PERSON holding the opinion... but I don't have to respect their opinion - and neither do you! Get it?

No I was fine with you answer that you could see where your way of responding was dismissive. What I didn't like was the bullshit rational you gave in an attempt to justify yourself. Conversations don't usually include rationals of why people think they have the right to disrespect other peoples positions. Nor could it be said that's how conversations work.

Conversations about aliens usually don't involve cranky old dudes named HempKat trying to get dudes named Anti to play nice with the other children.

What's your point?

Yeah okay me pointing out your bullshit rational was in fact bullshit isn't advancing the "Aliens, yay or nay" discussion one whit but then again neither is you judging everyone's opinion as absurd to the point they give up on the thread.

Yeah. The thread grows by 5-10 pages a day! Everybody's abandoning ship! it's like a ghost town every time I log on.....



Sure is lonely.

Oh wait. There were 40 new posts since I posted last night.

So yeah captain obvious, I had to go off topic to try to get you back on topic.

You had to? Was this one of your sworn duties that you were elected to perform?

Or did you WANT to?

I think that's probably it.

Having fun, yet?

What on earth makes you think I should be humble when calling you out on your bullshit? Why should I be humble to the guy openly agreeing that he is being dismissive of people's beliefs and then coming up with some weak ass lie, that's so easily disproven, to attempt to justify it?

#1 - You are trying to tell me that I'm derailing the thread by attacking people... and you are derailing the thread by attacking me.

#2 - I disagree with your assessment of things. I am not attacking people. I am arguing with STATEMENTS that people have made in a public conversation on a public forum.

#3 - I have no reason to lie and if you think I have done so, I submit that you are mistaken.

No shit Sherlock, that's why it says "translation". Captain Obvious strikes again.

Get a new translator. Just because I don't hold people's hand when they spout nonsense does NOT mean that I am going out of my way to stab my middle finger in their face and screaming "FUCK YOU!"

What you think you see in my words says much, much more about you than it does about me.

Oh that's rich, self righteous prick, and coming from the person who has deemed himself judge over the absurdity of other people's beliefs.

Once again... repetition seems to be necessary in this conversation.

I judge for myself. You judge for yourself. Tesla, Bomb, etc. judge for themselves.

And I argue with statements that are being made in this thread. I am not sinking to personal attacks like some other participants of the thread. And I have not found a single post unhelpful in this entire discussion.

Try not to take everything so personally, Hemp.

 

[megayields]

Oh thank god Anti is back, this place was getting boring.

 

[BushyOldGrower]

Hush, I agree that the advanced technology is clearly here and flying around all the time. Some people start seeing them and then they know to look. We have spent many hours skywatching just like our ancestors.

I don't know if they are aliens in the ships either but they do demonstrate intelligence. Most probes from other stars would reasonably be robotic and there is our local area.

I don't think they are our military because I saw them do things in 1974 that we know the military couldn't do then. We saw one accelerate to fast for a human inside unless it has inertial damping somehow. They do right angle turns at high speed and they go 0-1000 or more in the blink of the eye. I have seen it. I swear it's true.

Don't expect lots of people to believe my stories but some of you know I am telling the truth. Sure in like to suppose and conjecture but I really want the answer to this great mystery. Don't you?

For the counters I don't see any really good explanations for all the evidence so the mystery continues until the day we know. That day will be a great awakening for us.

One way or the other... Thanks for the participation of every being here. BOG

 

[mrcreosote]

Yup,
I got to go along with you Bushy.
All you have to do is see something that looks like a shooting star stop...instantaneously, wander slowly at a horizontal plane for about 30 seconds and then zip off in an opposing 45 degree angle up and gone in a wink with a few witnesses who said they saw what you did too to make you think ....Hmmmmm.
Nothing that a human could endure.

The truly sobering thought is that an entity that can accomplish the physics of time and space that make such a thing possible would be like a god to an ant in human comprehension.
What would we, from such a disparate evolutionary path that would obviously have to exist, understand about their motives or intent without overlaying our own experience?

IOW Wouldn't it stand to reason that our rudimentary (to them) intellectual capabilities could even begin to comprehend what they want?
Our evolutionary reality is tribal survival which also include conquest of others for resources to survive.
They might have an entirely different model of awareness.

The bad news would be if it were the same as ours and they just aren't curious vacationers slumming for a chuckle and a few photos.

What if the rectal probe is the fun part but you're really gonna hate what comes next...

Either way, at some point there's going to be a game changing event.

They're here...

 

[DreamsofTesla]

See, I've never seen any of that stuff. Not saying it can't happen, and it probably does. Seems to me, though, that the whole telempathic method of communication would serve them better, and that's what Bashar says they do use with us. But Darryl also says the he saw ships, which is what made him curious in the first place.

Bashar also says that by 2015 we (everyone on earth) will know for sure -- beyond any doubt -- that we have contact, because we're finally ready for it.

In case anybody's wondering about how we might play with parallel realities without using herbs or mushrooms, here's a little meditation I found pretty fun.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hoMNurgK4gY

<3 Tesla

 

[hush]

BOG, you leave me no question that you've seen these things. Anyone who has seen them, will always be changed forevermore. As one who has seen them myself, and in fact, recorded several hours of footage (some of which I have posted on my youtube channel), there is no way anyone could try telling me I was seeing regular aircraft, without my laughing in their face.

The first one I saw was 8 years ago, and I was fucked up on pure MDMA at the time. THe UFO was communicating with me and everything, and I just wrote it off the entire time as "Damn I'm FUCKED up." I knew I saw a UFO but I knew I was on drugs, so I didn't know how to make sense of it all.

Then in May of 2012 I saw my 2nd and 3rd ones one night, while I was out in the middle of nowhere in NC, on top of a mountain, and my wife was right there with me. We both saw 2 of them that night, one right after the other. The first one started off appearing like a star, not making any movements in the sky at all, until in one quick flash, when my wife and I were both gazing at it, it sped off, made some quick 45 degree angle movements, and blinked out into nothingness. It all happened so fast that we even saw a streak or a "trail" behind it, and the trail itself left evidence of the 45 degree angles it just made at like 10,000 miles per hour. It looked like the heart rate monitors, you know how it shows the heartbeat? It looked like that.

Then we both saw another, MUCH brighter star hovering right over us and right after we saw the first UFO, we both looked at this one and it started swirling around in the sky and making very exaggerated movements. It was totally telling us, "Yep. I'm a UFO. Not a star."

It was NUTS!!!!

And to this day I still don't necessarily know (or think) that I saw an alien craft. I only know I saw an unidentified flying object that was intelligently controlled and performing maneuvers that neither human craft, nor the humans that man them, would be able to successfully accomplish.

In my own experiences observing these things, I am starting to believe that they are biological entities, because every time I observe them I find myself equating their actions to those of insects, and sometimes fish. They really REALLY exhibit an identifiable type of behavior.

I always knew you were cool, BOG, but now I know just how cool you are.

 

[DreamsofTesla]

Oh thank god Anti is back, this place was getting boring.

 

[BushyOldGrower]

It is an enlightening experience...

I would love to see one again. They do use telepathy and I know this from personal experience. When Jesus spoke in the Sermon on the Mount all understood him in their own language.

Jesus is also referred to as the son of man and the son of God. He came from a virgin birth probably after a close encounter with Mary. So if the aliens impregnated Mary with an alien then Jesus was both son of man and son of god.


Some good possibilities but maybe they are angels from the sun. In any event I hope I am right and that we do have good specs brothers who want to help us. That sure would be better than bug like aliens who eat us or no brothers at all.

For my part I will continue to believe in many possibilities but I really just know what I have experienced to go on. Have you been experienced.

As far as the pure MDMA hush...long ago when fifteen years old I was using MDMA and I found it got my shit together for focused thought.

I was already into eastern meditation and I too two hits one night and went home to meditate. I managed to get out of body I think and I was my higher self. I knew the answer to any question and I felt I could do anything. I felt extreme love and warmth and I saw the light.

This showed me many things...even some of my future life. I think I saw my HighTimes article and I couldn't believe it would happen. I also knew that these things would come much later and that until about the year 2000 all I would do is work.

My vision has remained strong in my memory and I know I am lucky to have been shown what could be. We will have a wonderful future and know this now. You never die.

Go with the flow and see the signs...

 

[Treetops]

UFOs

UFOs

I saw a craft a couple of years ago, while sitting on my deck one night. I had had a puff or two but this craft flew right over my head meaning treetop level..our deck is on a second level, so we are right at a good height...I could see rivets, with just one red blinking light on the bottom...it just flew right over me ..making no noise whatsoever... we live in the landing path of a local airport so the craft was below radar, with a big bright spot light shinning down and flying the opposite way they come in too land ...I ran for my camera, but thought, hell its gone...the spot light just missing me on the deck....Strange but my bud told me after me telling him, that he had the same experience while out bike ridding one night....Same craft locked in on him and his friend with that light...they ran/rode bikes as fast as they could to get home...Scared the hell out of them...I have seen the craft again, this time a storm front was approaching while we watched it way off in the distance...as the front came in the craft left....I will never forget the night like it happened yesterday...
Treetops

 

[CarefulGrower]

Very long thread, just thought I would add my story. Near the end of high school.

Middle of summer, 3 friends and I were hanging out at a "park" (green belt area) beside his house. Not drunk, not high (?!), just hanging out having a conversation. My buddy goes "Look at satellite!" and points to a light, slightly brighter than a star crossing the night sky, at a good rate of speed. I've seen Satellites through binoculars as a kid, and this was brighter, and faster. The 4 of us watched it, because it's in space and that's pretty spiffy.

It changes direction by 90 degrees, and heads off, in a straight line for a few seconds, no change in speed when it changed direction. It zig zagged (45ish degrees at a time) across the sky, till it was near the "center" of the sky, with all of us going "wtf, are you guys seeing this?" as the light hit near the center, it slowed down in a straight line, turn into a faint baby blue light that LIT UP the faint clouds in the air, and disappeared completely. We were dumb founded.

I posted the story on a forum (god I wish I could remember the name) and had a fellow from Kansas report seeing the same thing.

It doesn't count for much but I do have been around aircraft a bit, as well as flying glider/small plane several times (non solo). Unless that was a SR-71 putting on a show, I don't know.

 

[ezak420]

I'm ready for an intervention.

 

[Suspect]

Extra-Dimensional & Extra-terrestrial Entities

http://www.scribd.com/doc/113844387/Extra-Dimensional-and-Extra-Terrestial-Entities


This is certainly interesting. This is close to the Ra material (Law of One series).

 

[PhenoMenal]

I feel very sad for the 18 people who, despite proof of life in our universe coming from our very own planet, feels there couldn't be life anywhere else in the universe.

 

[Hank Hemp]

I'm just wondering, has anybody been converted from one side of this now debate? I haven't, I'm still they maybe out "there" but not "here" visiting or studying.

 

[BushyOldGrower]

Those who choose to keep an open mind to any possibility are better off. We sent positive about many things. The mysterious history of our planet has always caused people to disagree. Do you think ghosts exist? I think there must be something to them with all the ghost stories.

Thanks for not calling me nuts. I know I sound nuts sometimes but I am a rational person and a dreamer. This is a great adventure and my life has been great so don't think I am complaining or bitter about the world. Planet Earth is a most beautiful place but we could make it hell if we don't make the right decisions.

I would pray to the Gods or make a deal with the Devil to save our planet. Please space brothers can you help us? We are lost in a sea...

 

[Harry Gypsna]

I'm just wondering, has anybody been converted from one side of this now debate? I haven't, I'm still they maybe out "there" but not "here" visiting or studying.

This is my position... I believe they are very probably out there somewhere, but I have seen no evidence to make me think they are, or have been here. It's a perfectly reasonable Skeptic position. I am open to evidence, and if I see something convincing, my position will change accordingly. Anecdotes of eyewitnesses are not, for me, convincing. Eyewitness evidence is notoriously unreliable. Ask 10 people in a bank what the robber looked like, you will get wildly conflicting descriptions..
Re the temple mount video, I have no idea what that is, but not knowing what it is, does not make it reasonable to leap to ET phone home. More likely to be some religious stunt. Religious forums are saying it was Mo, Jesus, or an angel. You see what you want to see.
Vertical take off, and hovering are nothing new in terms of flight technology, Western governments, particularly the US have been working on novel flying machines for most of the last century. Who knows what they have cooked up at Dreamland.
Plasma weapons were Science fiction not too long ago...very soon we will have military planes capable of vapourising other objects, not blowing them up, simply making them not exist as a solid object anymore. The tech already exists and is simply being finished off, right now.
Don't underestimate human ingenuity.

 

[lost in a sea]

i know someone through someone (their relative) that works in a very hush hush laboratory and they have made hard light holograms already,, showed me a picture of him holding a cup made from light,, and it can hold fluids..

the technology already refined that people have no idea about is staggering..