334,000W running on Aptus nutrients

[Dutch touch]

We have books, you have google.

No buddy I got facts and facts

Reading books and talking about it is the easy part

 

[N-P-Kali]

No buddy I got facts and facts

Reading books and talking about it is the easy part

Thank you for making my point.. Good day

 

[Dutch touch]

We have books, you "got google".

Reading books and talking about it is the easy part

It's a whole different ball game when it comes to putting what you have read into practice

I never read a book on plant nutrition but I can show you facts and results in the real world !

 

[N-P-Kali]

Reading books and talking about it is the easy part

It's a whole different ball game when it comes to putting what you have read into practice

I never read a book on plant nutrition but I can show you facts and results in the real world !

Keep digging.

 

[GOT DANK]

da diff between u and jack. ur a DOUCHE BAG that talks lower on peepz. so what if we have a small op. jack is a straight up stand up guy trying to help each other out. much respect to him. peace

 

[BldSwtTrs]

Hey DT followed your thread on the farm and have always been a fan of what you do. Much respect.

I actually have a question that isn't about aptus...

I am wondering if you don't mind providing a description of your grow career? It would really be sweet to hear how some of the big guys got to where they are. How does one go from 10k to 100k to 300k watts?

I ask because I am always trying to grow and improve as this is what I do for a living also, but I run a one man show with just a few houses...

If you don't have time or don't feel like it, no worries man. Much Respect...

 

[Dutch touch]

da diff between u and jack. ur a DOUCHE BAG that talks lower on peepz. so what if we have a small op. jack is a straight up stand up guy trying to help each other out. much respect to him. peace

We got off on the wrong foot here let me set the record straight

I have nothing against a guy with a 400w light in his closet I will would love to help that guy with advice. What I detest is guys with 1 400w light who has never tried Aptus and has negative opinions on it

How can they comment on something they have never tried ?..

I'm all for guys having opinions but not when they start to slate Aptus when they have never tried it

Been on icmag for maybe a week and I have had people say Aptus is shit, I work for Aptus , Aptus sponsors me, Aptus can be made for pennies, Aptus had pgr's, blah blah blah . If Aptus was any of these then why would jack, vagpuncher, and myself all be using it and have great success with it ....?



I apologize for coming across as not respecting small growers but I do respect them. I have zero respect for guys with opinions who have never tried it even if that guy has 10,000 lights.


I been in this game much longer than 99% of the guys on here I know what works and that's why I use what I use

 

[skull and roses]

This thread turned to crap. It does seem that the aptus crowd can get quite testy. I thought N P Kali handled himself well and I appreciate his knowledge. Why bite his head off?

 

[dakine1]

I've always just creeped on here quietly for opinions and further knowledge and don't mean to jump in the middle of a "somewhat" constructive argument but I must say that since switching to aptus I've noticed the following...

-it has significantly shortened my veg time
-a noticeable increase in quality
-and a slight increase in yield
-and of course I don't miss lugging giant fucking bottles around

I met and spoke for quite a while with the developer of aptus at the SF trade show and to me, he seemed 100% genuine and much more knowledgable then most.

I don't have a huge set up but its not too small, 50kw now, and hope to grow... Very impressive DT!
And many thanks JACK!!! I've learned ALOT and have certainly improved my garden !

 

[PeopleWish]

Double Post

 

[PeopleWish]

base salt ratios

base salt ratios

I like aptus, hower I have done side by sides (straight salts vs salts plus aptus) and no conclusive evidence suggested that aptus creates faster growth rates better quality or higher yields.

This characteristics lie in genetics and in how closely you can match "the cannabis profile" with the appropriate salt ratios needed for optimal health.

If your ratios are appropriate, additives will not improve the quality or yield significantly enough to write home about. Pictures of bigger healthy grows does not prove otherwise.

I crush with peters and a doser.... 40x cheaper than GH.

 

[N-P-Kali]

We got off on the wrong foot here let me set the record straight

I have nothing against a guy with a 400w light in his closet I will would love to help that guy with advice. What I detest is guys with 1 400w light who has never tried Aptus and has negative opinions on it

How can they comment on something they have never tried ?..

I'm all for guys having opinions but not when they start to slate Aptus when they have never tried it

Been on icmag for maybe a week and I have had people say Aptus is shit, I work for Aptus , Aptus sponsors me, Aptus can be made for pennies, Aptus had pgr's, blah blah blah . If Aptus was any of these then why would jack, vagpuncher, and myself all be using it and have great success with it ....?



I apologize for coming across as not respecting small growers but I do respect them. I have zero respect for guys with opinions who have never tried it even if that guy has 10,000 lights.


I been in this game much longer than 99% of the guys on here I know what works and that's why I use what I use

Wrong foot my ass. There you go again taking a big fat s**t on the other 99%. You reek of patronizing condescension. If you keep it up this thread may get OCCUPIED by the other 1%.

Sure you have nothing against the guy with a 400w closet grow as long as he licks your taint for having more lights than he has ever seen.

Experience. Pump the brakes, you must think you have the patent rights on big grows? I piss 60Kw and shit 150 but I'm not over here kicking dirt on micro grows. Neither are Jack or Vag.

In regards to respect, let me say this; Finding it in ourselves here, to have respect for a guy so overly opinionated about his nutrients, who knows nothing about the composition, or why their superior; then proceeds to run off at the mouth about how its better than the other 99%, is a tall order. Disrespectful little piss-ant. You sound like Big Mike or Arjan.

For what its worth Douche Touch. If speculation on the contents of a nutrient bottle is considered disrespect, then color me guilty. But know this; in no way did I take a dump on Aptus, in fact I was overly cautious about how I presented my contention with Respect to Aptus. As well I applauded your efforts and success and in no way attributed your achievements to APTUS alone. For christ sakes I did everything short of lick your taint Guy!


Unbelievable.

I'm posting this for all the guys with out there who think this Cha-chee is someone to look up to. Think again.

Those are your facts GUY!.

 

[Nightshifts]

BTW its Jorge Cervantes not George. Much respect to a forefather in this industry.

 

[LAMBS-BREAD]

U guys should stop this bullshit about small growers not being respected. I know small growers here that don't respect shit !! So please. If the man don't respect small grower that are running up their mouth, well that is his choice and the man is free to do so !

I far as we know speculations aren't the truth ! So any man can dislike speculations !

So this bla bla about DT being this and being that it's pure hating and not needed in this debate. Now if aptus can be made cheap and easily, then U guys go ahead and do some side by side and document it here in the proper section so that the world can see it clear.

 

[TheArchitect]

I got your back on this one ! Super cool people

Don't be too nice vag or you will get accused of being sponsored by Aptus

What makes me laugh is these haters actually make this shit up in their own tiny heads


So Im running 334 lights risking my freedom and risking my families future just so I can advertise Aptus?... ! Maybe if I had 2 lights that would be a little bit more Realistic

Good work by the way your product looks bomb !

Hmm, holland is where aptus started. Your name is dutch touch. I wonder?

Lol juuuuust kidding.

You know what GUY, save the "much respect" comment. I have seen more Kw in the last 24 hours than you have in 24 years. Its crystal clear you have no respect.

If its a bad day your having, or a "snickers moment", we could understand. But it's not. Your a condescending pratt.

Aptus copy...pfft! Really!?

Since when did asking questions constitute hating? You must enjoy beating down the so called "little guys"?

I have forgotten more about plant nutrition than you will know.

Pratt!!. The nerve of some people.

How did this thread become so vituperative??

Rude Pratt!

My apologies for the s**t but I'm a little perturbed at all this.

Lol, this dood thinks the guys who don't whip their dicks out to show all the kiddies dont know shit.

We have books, you "got google".

Hydroponics: A Practial Guide For The Soilless Grower

One of my favorites, dr Lynette Morgan has some great work too.

Been on icmag for maybe a week and I have had people say Aptus is shit, I work for Aptus , Aptus sponsors me, Aptus can be made for pennies, Aptus had pgr's, blah blah blah .

If Aptus was any of these then why would jack, vagpuncher, and myself all be using it and have great success with it ....?

You answered your own question, because It likely has pgr's.

I apologize for coming across as not respecting small growers but I do respect them. I have zero respect for guys with opinions who have never tried it even if that guy has 10,000 lights.


I been in this game much longer than 99% of the guys on here I know what works and that's why I use what I use

As you said before why would they label their ingredients?

How do you know what's working, what your using and why if you have no idea what your really using?

Seem contradictory.


I like to know everything I give my plants.

Wrong foot my ass. There you go again taking a big fat s**t on the other 99%. You reek of patronizing condescension. If you keep it up this thread may get OCCUPIED by the other 1%.

Sure you have nothing against the guy with a 400w closet grow as long as he licks your taint for having more lights than he has ever seen.

Experience. Pump the brakes, you must think you have the patent rights on big grows? I piss 60Kw and shit 150 but I'm not over here kicking dirt on micro grows. Neither are Jack or Vag.

In regards to respect, let me say this; Finding it in ourselves here, to have respect for a guy so overly opinionated about his nutrients, who knows nothing about the composition, or why their superior; then proceeds to run off at the mouth about how its better than the other 99%, is a tall order. Disrespectful little piss-ant. You sound like Big Mike or Arjan.

For what its worth Douche Touch. If speculation on the contents of a nutrient bottle is considered disrespect, then color me guilty. But know this; in no way did I take a dump on Aptus, in fact I was overly cautious about how I presented my contention with Respect to Aptus. As well I applauded your efforts and success and in no way attributed your achievements to APTUS alone. For christ sakes I did everything short of lick your taint Guy!


Unbelievable.

I'm posting this for all the guys with out there who think this Cha-chee is someone to look up to. Think again.

Those are your facts GUY!.

I wish I was willing to be as articulate as you online, my thoughts exactly.

 

[VagPuncher]

Dutch Touch,

Been using Aptus for about 6 months now. I had a question; How often do you feed your plants with Aptus per week? I am feeding with Aptus on Monday and Thursday.

Tues, Wed, Fri, Sat, Aun with just H&G coco base nutes.

I was wondering if it's worth it to feed twice a week or should I try and see how it goes just feeding them with Aptus once a week.

Any ideas or experience?

 

[stonedwarrior]

Ignore the h8rz dutchy, they jealous.

Why the fuck is there so much hate on this site?

 

[DHF]

Anytime a new product comes on the market , there`s gonna be skepticism , and rightly so.....but......

I`m thinking that it`s more about the mystery of said inert ingredients not revealed as well as the outrageous costs that`re sparking the apprehensiveness of everyday seasoned growers , regardless of the size of their gardens or production facilities they`re rollin in.......that said.......

Got major players like Jack and Vag vouchin for Aptus and that`s gotta count for something , so I`m as open-minded an old head grower as there is , but I don`t understand the hype behind a product that`s not even a base nutrient or all in one product from start to finish end of cycle......but again......

I`ve heard the back and forth heated discussions at most of the invite only med sites for several months back , and the jury`s still out on Aptus`s makeup and or real contribution to increased yield and quality with many many old head mad scientist growbro`s that supply most of the meds on the left coast and further north with large facilities.......why ?......

Cuz my old head stubborn ass hippie`s ain`t payin for that high priced snake oil....that said.......I` have no beef here Dutch Touch , and in no way am I discounting Aptus`s worthiness or ability to do what`s claimed of it........

I`m just an old tight ass and refuse to think "additives" can really have that much of an effect on bottom line finished product to justify spendin crazy ass amounts of cash on products that haven`t been shown in side by sides with blind study useage WITH Aptus and without under clinical trials.....

No disrespect in any way intended with this post , but I`ve run many setups for many yrs , and IME.....

NPK is NPK..and.....additives and bloom boosters are just concentrated versions of the same NPK.......unless......other ingredients are being used in the mix such as PGR`s and other so called naturally occurring compounds that`ve already been mentioned above......

I mean guys ......Guaranteed there`s nothing new under the sun....bet on it.......but ....this shit might be the second coming of Christ , but it`s not been conclusively proven in field trials that I`ve seen......

Only 2 products that actually improved growers setups in the last 20 yrs that I`ve witnessed are H&G`s Roots Excelluratur and Dripclean , and what`s in that shit`s kinda cloudy too , but with results well documented and proven... so again....

Aptus may be all that , I`m just ambivalent and on the fence without an opinion at this point cuz I`m overly cautious of new end all be all "additives"......

My 2 cents from all those yrs of doin this.......again......No disrespect DT , but Caveat Emptor......

Peace.......DHF..............

 

[RubeGoldberg]

Hey DT followed your thread on the farm and have always been a fan of what you do. Much respect.

I actually have a question that isn't about aptus...

I am wondering if you don't mind providing a description of your grow career? It would really be sweet to hear how some of the big guys got to where they are. How does one go from 10k to 100k to 300k watts?

I ask because I am always trying to grow and improve as this is what I do for a living also, but I run a one man show with just a few houses...

If you don't have time or don't feel like it, no worries man. Much Respect...

as a former commercial guy.. the jump from 10 lights to 100 is way way easier than the jump from 1 light to 10.

 

[RubeGoldberg]

BTW its Jorge Cervantes not George. Much respect to a forefather in this industry.

He tells people to piss in their plants and has a generation of growers looking at a deficiency leaf chart and whining on forums instead of fixing their pH or actually learning to grow properly.

The guy is a goof (Canadian definition)