2lb from 6 x Bubba Kush (from clone/8 week veg)?

[Bud Bug]

I'm started a legal medical grow but I'm limited to the number of plants. We've chosen Bubba Kush for the plants as thats the best pain killer for this person. Were wanting to pull 2lb per crop out of 6 Bubbas but not sure if this is possible. We cab have up to 12 plants and the limit will be increased in the next 6 months.

Now my plan after the first crop which will take 16 weeks is to start vegging 6 Bubbas for 8 weeks after the first 6 are into 12/2 so we crop out every 8 weeks.

They will be vegged under 1000W and 1,3 and finally 15 gallon pots.


Now this is the set up I'm looking at with the 6 plants and with 1000W bulbs in vertical air cooled tubes with a 1000HM on a light rail in the center.

Is is possible to get 2lb or would I have to increase the plant number to all 12 and for now just live with a crop every 14/16 weeks.

 

[Caille]

With 3k in lights, you should be very able to get 2 pounds off a run, I can get 2 pounds in my 4x4 tent, under 1000watts. So I would imagine with a vertical, large tree setup, 2 pounds should be very very doable.

Remember, 1.0 GPW for a 1000 watt light is a Kilo, 2.2 pounds, or 1000 grams.


Alexis
*smiles*

 

[localman]

your more likely to see .5gpw or less your first few grows, unless your arm is green... just get a Great soil like Fox farm ocean forrest and veg for a long time under a Daylight Hortilux bulb 1000 on that mover ... then drop the HPS in for the last two weeks of VEG and Id say if your bubbas are like mine with a 3ft thick plant i pull 8-12 OZ ea.. 6 plants is an easy 2lb like this

 

[localman]

Cha Ching will be your best friend too, its a granular fert... i use it with tap water and dont even ph.. it works great.. fox farm makes that too

Just my 2cents

 

[Bud Bug]

With 3k in lights, you should be very able to get 2 pounds off a run, I can get 2 pounds in my 4x4 tent, under 1000watts. So I would imagine with a vertical, large tree setup, 2 pounds should be very very doable.

Remember, 1.0 GPW for a 1000 watt light is a Kilo, 2.2 pounds, or 1000 grams.


Alexis
*smiles*

Yah I'm getting conflicting info from people. I showed this new diagram to someone who for a living builds grow rooms/shows people how to grow. He said it would probably not happen with 6 plants and I'd be better with my original plan with the 12 plants but others told me its possible with a very long veg so with this set up I increased the veg from 6 to 8 weeks.

 

[solarz]

Look up Heath's thread that's pretty recent. He pulled crazy numbers using 1500 watts...even thought it was his personal creation (strain wise). You could get some tips on how to pull your expected harvest...with 6 plants.

solarz

 

[localman]

Yah I'm getting conflicting info from people. I showed this new diagram to someone who for a living builds grow rooms/shows people how to grow. He said it would probably not happen with 6 plants and I'd be better with my original plan with the 12 plants but others told me its possible with a very long veg so with this set up I increased the veg from 6 to 8 weeks.

OK well first id use all your plants your able to have it has to do with many factors but I have see *Heath Robinson* pull a LB a plant so its totaly doable... and like i previously said... VEG HUGE

 

[localman]

hahahahahaha we both posted a HR suggestion at the same time thats NUTS

 

[Bud Bug]

your more likely to see .5gpw or less your first few grows, unless your arm is green... just get a Great soil like Fox farm ocean forrest and veg for a long time under a Daylight Hortilux bulb 1000 on that mover ... then drop the HPS in for the last two weeks of VEG and Id say if your bubbas are like mine with a 3ft thick plant i pull 8-12 OZ ea.. 6 plants is an easy 2lb like this

Well I can grow but tallest plant I've ever grow was 14 inches and never grown trees before.

Well for the medium I'm gonna go with Pro Mix HP/Worm Casting/Hydroton. Will put a layer of hydroton on the bottom of the 15 gallon pots and mix it into the ProMix.

I'm gonna stick to FloraNova for ease of use as the license owner will have to feed the plants as I can't always be there. I will be using in veg humic/fulvic/seaweed/GH Sub Culture and SM90 which I've been told will keep fungal growth at bay in the 15 gallon pots. Apperantly the corriander which is in SM90 when it breaks down has anti fungal properties.

 

[Bud Bug]

Now would I top the Bubba and when/how many times? I've bee told by another medical grower who grows Bubbas that he's had better luck with just tying down the branches and no topping or fiming.

 

[localman]

Well I can grow but tallest plant I've ever grow was 14 inches and never grown trees before.

Well for the medium I'm gonna go with Pro Mix HP/Worm Casting/Hydroton. Will put a layer of hydroton on the bottom of the 15 gallon pots and mix it into the ProMix.

I'm gonna stick to FloraNova for ease of use as the license owner will have to feed the plants as I can't always be there. I will be using in veg humic/fulvic/seaweed/GH Sub Culture and SM90 which I've been told will keep fungal growth at bay in the 15 gallon pots. Apperantly the corriander which is in SM90 when it breaks down has anti fungal properties.

I dont like FloraNova do what u want.. thats all great but alot of work when your harvest could be the same with Great dirt and water

 

[cali2]

I went to a class at a local club, Harborside a few years back and the guy teaching the class was pullin 2 pounds a light off of 4 bubba kush plants. He wrote a book on growing, so I assume he has a very green thumb. He used a recirculating top feed hydro set up, all do it yourself. So I think it is possible. I've played with bubba a lot and a pound a light is easy with her. If you have three lights it should be doable. Look into dwc type setups. If I was limited on plant numbers I would personally go that route.

 

[Bud Bug]

I dont like FloraNova do what u want.. thats all great but alot of work when your harvest could be the same with Great dirt and water

Well I've never had problems with Nova and I know 4 baby makers (1000's of clones per week that use it for mother plants)

I can't go and experiment too much at this time so I have to minimize the amount of unfamiliar points and the nova, promix and additives are not one of the points.

I do plan of hydro buckets after a few crops but for now I need to use what I'm familiar with.

 

[mikeross]

Now would I top the Bubba and when/how many times? I've bee told by another medical grower who grows Bubbas that he's had better luck with just tying down the branches and no topping or fiming.

I would not top those bubbas if your truly gonna grow out a true tree. In vertical you want to get as much height as you can but I would not go with anything more than a 50/50 hybrid... bubba will work good though. I am currently doing a purple kush vertical grow and I have come to realize that the vertical lighting will take care of the side branching. What you need to focus on is your vertical height because that hieght = weight which is the opposite somewhat in a flat garden.

So with that said I would not top or fim those plants if your doing a vertical tree grow. If anything do some research on how to clean up those girls after the stretch is done. I also do a follow up at day 45. I wouldnt flip those bubbas until they where at least 30" tall if your running 1000w bulbs.

Get some 6x6 mesh from home depot, thats an easy way to train your plants rather than using string. Just bend the branches down under each 6x6 area and it will really open up those bubbas.

I got some bubba kush for my next vertical setup. I will make a journal in about 3 weeks. They are currently vegging out and look to be almost twice as tall as the purple kush which is vegging next to the bubbas. Stay away from these slow vegging strains in your buckets. its gonna rob tons of time to get them up the proper pre flip height. I am very excited to be running bubba kush the coming round.

 

[Bud Bug]

I would not top those bubbas if your truly gonna grow out a true tree.

Ok

I wouldnt flip those bubbas until they where at least 30" tall if your running 1000w bulbs.

Any idea on how tall they will be after 8 weeks? Getting more equipment is not a problem so I could possibly go with 2K for the Veg but to keep things simple where not going over board with the first couple crops.

What I'm planning on doing is vegging them in 1 gal pots, then 3 and then 15 gallons. On this first run I can put them into the main flower room and veg them for the rest under 2K MH.

 

[mikeross]

Are you set on your lighting layout. If I where you I would add an extra light and change up the medium. Not saying anything is wrong with that your doing but in that layout your growing half tree's... if you have seen how plants grow in a vertical setup your 6 plants really only add up to 3 full plants. With that said you should easily pull 3lbs your first go if everything goes well with little issues and you flip them at about 36".

The reason I question the medium is the fact that its limiting your veg veritcal growth. If you changed that medium up you wouldnt need to veg as long and it could result in you guys getting an extra harvest each year... sounds pretty good huh lol.

I can't link anything from other sites here but check out
t h c f a r m e r . c o m, go into the coco coir section and look for easypleasie and mr.dizzles grow diaries. Tons of good info their if you do want to get the most out of your garden... this would mena you would have to run a min of 4 1000's to make these setups work. If you dial these style setups I bet you could get 1.5 per light and an extra harvest a year. You would not have to even add any more effort then you already need to do in your current setup. The cool thing about those above setups if later down the road if you decided to change to hydro it can easily be done with a few modification to make it a RDWC mpb grow where you could possible get up to 2pounds per tree.

Hope I'm not overstepping my boundaries but its worth a good read and if you keep with your current setup there is tons of knowledge in these guys post all over at the farm not just in there galleries. I feel these more info on that site than here for vertical grows... well at least most documented one.

 

[*mistress*]

possible... veg to 3x3 before flower

 

[MyGreenToe]

If you really need to pull a given amount, then stop trying to reinvent the lighting wheel your first time out. Use one of the tried and true 4 plant 5 bulb tree layouts, or simply stack your bulbs and put your desired number of plants in a circle around it. Then veg the appropriate time to fill your space before flipping. If you really grow tree size plants, you shouldn't need to do any topping or training. The light encourages them to bush out all on it's own. This doesn't have to be rocket science.

Your biggest variable to figure out is veg time. Figure out how much it stretches, then veg it until the stretch will fill your height. You probably don't even have to figure this out yourself. Someone must be able to quantify the stretch of bubba for you. Then you can measure your available height and do the math. You only have to be in the dark about how many days veg it will take once to get to the right height. No one can tell you how long that will take with your system, they can only tell you how much it will stretch, then you have to figure out the right veg time yourself by just growin it.

And I will state again: Read EVERY PAGE of Heath's tree thread. I know you want to grow soil, and that's just fine, but you can still learn alot from how he rocks it.

Keep it Green
MGT

 

[mikeross]

Ok



Any idea on how tall they will be after 8 weeks? Getting more equipment is not a problem so I could possibly go with 2K for the Veg but to keep things simple where not going over board with the first couple crops.

What I'm planning on doing is vegging them in 1 gal pots, then 3 and then 15 gallons. On this first run I can put them into the main flower room and veg them for the rest under 2K MH.

Not sure how tall they will be. I have only had these bubbas 1 week and I am amazed how much quicker they grow then my purple kush. Its my first time running the bubbas.

So you have a separate veg room and I reading that right? A separate veg room is a game changer right there. I assume you are not gonna use or built it until you up your plant numbers to 12? I dont see a need for a separate veg room until your second round.

Those setups I told you to check out are hempy style grows with different mixes of perlite, coco and hydroton.

I am sure you have done your research but remember to let those plants get use to those 1000 verts. You dont want to flip all the lights on and drop them right in from of your plants.

 

[imadoofus]

going to need more veg time to hit 2lbs. 8 weeks in soil regardless of training or nutrients will get you, at most, 10 o's. thats providing you dont encounter any issues, also. plants in soil react slower and therefore take long to recover as well. no matter how much you read, theres no experience like experience. youre going to have to set more realistic goals, get your hands dirty and learn from your set backs, cause they happen to everyone.

if they didnt, this forum would be substantially less crowded.

if you truly want to maximumzing your growing boundaries, switch to hydro. theres an example for every skill level and preference. choose what suites you best, then go from there.