*The K.I.S.S. Method*

[Pakrat]

Sometimes knowing facts is what allows some of us to keep it simple When I was using the green spoon my plants looked a little hungry, switching to 7grams x whatever seems to have simplified it even more for me and they look consistently happy. Now I know if I see problems, it’s not from nute strength.

 

[Ioni Botani]

Preettty sure the thread (If properly read, and researched) had all the information to begin with...

Between the first post, the link provided (Lucasformula.com) and the latter 80 something pages of info (including the 15 other times we've gone over this very issue) I'm pretty sure this stink could have been avoided.

C'mon guys, it shouldn't take a mod coming in to my thread and editing it to tell you something...I thought that's what this site (and growing AKA DoingItYourself) was all about?!

Fock...how many times are we going to go over this? Every time we have a fresh batch of newbs in here we go over the same shit. (Was I once like this fellas? If so, my deepest apologies...seriously.)

Read. That will be added to the first page now, because obviously some ppl just want to be told what to do...

Boh.


Ion1

 

[Ioni Botani]

BTW I'm not deleting one of my most cherished threads...Only an idiot would suggest such.

This thread has already helped more people than could ever be dumbfounded by it's simplicity.

KISS FTW!

 

[Pakrat]

I replied to the wrong thread, but it was a negative response anyway. Thanks for all the great info. Peace.

 

[mg75]

I replied to the wrong thread, but it was a negative response anyway. Thanks for all the great info. Peace.

perhaps apply some plants with only foliar of liquid karma and see how they do compared to the root drenched ones.
i am starting to believe that kelp extracts are much more potent via foliar feed.
so.. perhaps, simple NPK + micros through roots and all other additives via leaves. again... just a thought.

 

[SuperSizeMe]

I'm with you, Ioni...if you're focusing on the incorrectly calibrated teaspoon from GH, you're looking the wrong way.


I've said it several times in this thread.



Want ease of use for growing spec bud?

K.I.S.S.

Peace,

SSM

 

[Pakrat]

I'm with you, Ioni...if you're focusing on the incorrectly calibrated teaspoon from GH, you're looking the wrong way.


I've said it several times in this thread.



Want ease of use for growing spec bud?

K.I.S.S.

Peace,

SSM

It was not about the green spoon, but that different people define simple differently. What’s the simplest after all, using the green spoon that comes with the bag or a digital scale? No disrespect was intended, but it came of to me like I was somehow out of line for sharing an opinion or dense for not understanding an 80+ page of threads. Maybe I’ve been away from these boards for a while but in the old Overgrow days I recall we could all share and learn with each other without being insulted by other members for daring to share an opinion.

 

[Iso]

I started using the K.I.S.S. method for the first time this round, and I gotta say my nugs are looking better than ever. I've always used the lucas method or the modified Head version. I know that Maxibloom is supposed to be a 1 part lucas formula, but my plants never looked this good using micro+bloom. The other crazy thing is, when I sometimes pull a nug early for a sample of whats to come, it's usually really harsh and taste like shit. This round I grabbed a few nugs @ 50 days(of 75), and even with only 16hrs dry time(in front of one of my exhaust outlets) it smokes smooth and taste pretty good. It also gets me super high, like real energetic and focused though.

Nirvana: White Rhino

One question though, why is it that each batch of maxibloom is a different color, once added to water? Sometimes orange, most time redish, and one time kinda purple...

Here's my current run w/ Maxibloom
https://www.icmag.com/ic/showthread.php?t=213700

 

[SuperSizeMe]

It was not about the green spoon, but that different people define simple differently. What’s the simplest after all, using the green spoon that comes with the bag or a digital scale? No disrespect was intended, but it came of to me like I was somehow out of line for sharing an opinion or dense for not understanding an 80+ page of threads. Maybe I’ve been away from these boards for a while but in the old Overgrow days I recall we could all share and learn with each other without being insulted by other members for daring to share an opinion.

I didn't intend on insulting anyone

I hope you find your answers


Iso - My nute mix is always yellowish/pink.

1 green scoop per gallon

Buds look outstanding

 

[dgr]

What’s the simplest after all, using the green spoon that comes with the bag or a digital scale? ... old Overgrow days I recall we could all share and learn with each other without being insulted by other members for daring to share an opinion.

Really depends on what you are doing. Fertilizer, ALL fertilizer is w/w, not v/v. So the fert companies have already made it more complicated for those wanting to know exactly what they are feeding. Even liquids should be weighed or their density should be determined. If you are mixing multiple gallons, are you really going to measure out a tsp at a time? That seems less simple to me. For me and what my desires are, the scale is the more simple approach. But to be fair, I will grab a GHtsp™ and dump it in a gallon of water when I'm in a rush.

I think the most important KISS principle to take away from this is, there's a big range of nutrient levels that will turn out some darn good buds.

Things do seem a little more tense than the old OG days.

peace

 

[Guest 18340]

Iso, man I thought it just me that saw different colors.
When I first started using Maxibloom it would turn my water orange-ish. Now, it's the color of bleach. Why that happens?

 

[SirTOKESalot]

Iso, man I thought it just me that saw different colors.
When I first started using Maxibloom it would turn my water orange-ish. Now, it's the color of bleach. Why that happens?

Odd... my bag turns my water a orangery brow, I measured out two scoops "2x water too " yesterday and i got a ppm of 1400. 2 months ago it would have been 1100 or something maybe less. Whatever tho, ill go with it.

 

[Tonatiuh]

lol i get a pinkish tint to the water...mmaybe the maxibloom has different reaction to the dif ph levels or flouride etc...thts in all of our different waters.
peace-T-

 

[SirTOKESalot]

"orangery brow" haha orange'y brown i mean.

 

[RicoT]

Some Chimera GFxBB just cut. I use the green scoop

 

[rabid]

About 5 pages back--before the spoon/weight/volume debate started-- this was posted and never discussed...

Awesome thread and awesome feedback guys! I've read around 1/4 of this thread so far, but don't got the time atm to read it althrough.

What I've gathered though, is that one can grow more than decent bud with a combination of Maxibloom, Koolbloom & in some cases Cal/mag.

Now I'm convinced to try this, and discard Advanced Nutrition completely, but one thing I have not really read about yet, is mycorizza & Bacillus in addition to MB & KB?

So far I've been very satisfied with AN's powder Piranha & Tarantula, and I honestly see a big difference in root production.

What I'm getting at is, how many in here add microorganisms, and do you find it necessary/beneficial at all?

If so, what are some cheaper alternatives than AN's overpriced products? I'm growing in coco btw.

I will definitely make a side by side test this fall when I've purchased MB & KB, I will post pictures in my grow journal and here of course!

Cheers everyone, and thank you for a great read!

I'm also interested in this because I have a few unopened bags of myco from Fungi Perfect and would like to use them with the KISS method if it would be beneficial...

 

[massivecalyx]

What's the best ph up to use with maxibloom KISS method? My bottle of GH Ph up is about finished and I've heard of people using proteck(?) or some silicate as a better ph up due to them improving stems and stuff?

I'm still new to all of this so any recommendations would be greatly appreciated! I'm in a soilless mix if that makes a difference using blumats.

 

[farmdalefurr]

when i used blumats i always used AN ph up/down. gave me a much more stable ph throughout the week than gh up/down ever could. nothing compares to AN up/down imo.

p.s. ive heard that pro-tekt when mixed last as a ph up has the ability to lock out certain nutrients. now keep in mind thats only what ive heard. itll raise your ph like CRAZY, use it sparingly

 

[Budweiser13]

BTW I'm not deleting one of my most cherished threads...Only an idiot would suggest such.

This thread has already helped more people than could ever be dumbfounded by it's simplicity.

KISS FTW!

Please Don't ever delete this, I am still voting for a sticky on this thread also it is well deserved.

 

[dgr]

Rico,
Nice plants!

rabid,
If you look in the side by side forum, there is a thread on running coco with and without myco. In that thread that lost it's way, there is a discussion about the effect of one of the elements on myco growth. My take away was that the myco can't do it's job with the level of that element provided in most hydro formulations. Hope that gets the ball rolling for you. I, for one, am interested in the results of the side by side you are going to run. I think it's important to test the science with reality. Please keep me posted.

massivecalyx,
if you look at the msds on GH pH up, it actually contains potassium silicate. So may as well use a potassium silicate product so you know what you are putting in your sol'n.

farmdalefurr,
It sounds like you were dealing with carbonates in your water that tend to buffer your solution slowly back towards neutral. Only explanation I can think of in a run to waste reservoir. That's what mine does when I first mix my solution. I can set it at 5.5 and check it an hour later and it is still 5.5. But 24 hours later it will be at 5.8 and continue to slowly rise. I set my pH low and let it drift. Then pH down when it is too high for my liking.

Potassium Silicate will temporarily form a precipitate when added to your nutrient mix. You can see this by mixing in a black bucket. Swirl the nutrient laden water and pour in your KSO3. You'll see a fine white powder form. However, I do not think that it is permanent as it visually dissipates. Looking at a solubility chart for potassium salts, they are all water soluble. So, I think the lock out thing isn't happening.

I get around this by adding my KSO3 first and then my pH down. Since I know for MY solution 1ml/gal of MY pH down solution will get me between 5.5 and 5.8, this is a simple way for me to do it. It seems the KSO3 is dispersed enough then to prevent any reactions.