ICMAG Administration endorses The Regulate, Control and Tax Cannabis Act of 2010

[Sam_Skunkman]

CrazyCooter,
Why are you here? You say you don't vote.
Or maybe don't even live in California? Are you a 215 grower?
You say that politics is a scam and you refuse to play their game.
You say how immature it is to call people names and then do exactly that.
I have no idea why you are here discussing politics and voting but if I had to guess, you just like to argue.
I suspect anyone that answers you is wasting their time because you don't vote anyway, and your agenda is not Cannabis it is arguing or "workers".
I am curious how you will react to the "manicuring union" when they demand $50 an hour and medical and paid vacations as well as a lot of other workers rights. I might think you would support them as you want to assure that workers, part of the 90% of americans that do the work, get their fair share?
But then again you don't like the government telling you what to do, so maybe you will just stay on the side of the 10% of Americans that own everything, and continue to screw any workers you use to help you, if any?
I noticed you never answered if you do buy gasoline, clothing, automobiles, or other taxed consumables that enrich big business and big government? If yes why do you support them, knowing they will be oppressing the workers? Just refuse all taxed and regulated products, and you will be helping your cause instead of enriching the people at big biz and big government.
Remember that participating in a rigged system only produces the results the system wants, a wise man once said....

Oh and by the way greed is not just something that is found in some growers under 215, it is found everywhere, in workers, unions, poor unemployed people, big biz, big government, I would say in almost every group you can name you will find greedy people, but it is what they are willing to do to insure they will be well paid for their work that is important. Like keeping Cannabis illegal for all Californians so growers under 215 can continue their lifestyle choices.

"Calling the growers "greedy" because they have been successful at overgrowing the government the last 50 years is childish to say the least."

It is the high prices combined with the growers not wanting to pass Prop 19 because it might upset their income flow, that I really call greedy.

To me it is an easy choice, all the people come first, and not just some greedy growers that might be profiteering under 215. All the people come first.
For me it is an easy choice, but I want prices to fall, mainly so an average "worker" can keep more of their hard earned cash instead of handing it over to buy an eighth for $60. I say free the workers from the oppressive Cannabis prices.....
$50 an Oz sounds about right, so CrazyCooter, are you going to help your fellow workers and sell to them at a reasonable price, as well as give any workers that help you, full medical, paid vacations, and $50 an hour to manicure? Step up to the plate....
The "workers" are waiting...

-SamS

In case you did not read, I am not anti, I am a non voter with a lot of questions that you "self-proclaimed assholes" really don't answer that well except in your own mind. You don't spell or write very well but you are a law expert? The law experts won't give their opinion of what is going to happen because they don't know, but you guys do.

JJ I can understand, and subrob makes some sense, but biggie has done very little to help me believe this thing is going to turn out like you guys imagine it. With all the name calling and alienation of anyone who disagrees with him, it does not help a pessimist believe that the government is really trying to help me.

Like I said biggie, keep polishing the turd. Seems like your parents did a good job of it.

Don't mistake movement for action. The political and economic system are designed so the majority do the work while the minority keep the spoils. 10% own 90% of American wealth. This is a result of the system. I choose to participate in this system as little as possible in protest of the fact that this system can only produce too much for the minority and not enough for the majority. Just like Vegas, anyone can win, but the majority will always go home losing because it is a rigged system.

In protest of the process, I choose not to support it. "Conspiracy theory" is yet more politicospeak to push an agenda and alient those with different views. Conspiracy, yes, there are people conspiring against the workers. The workers are the only ones producing any wealth. Participating in a rigged system can only produce what the system wants.

I am against the tax structure set up in California and am against any bill that raises taxes on Californians. Alcohol, overtaxed. Gasoline, overtaxed. Automobiles, overtaxed. Taxes and regulations, too many and getting worse. So yes, I am against all these taxes, not the products. Our tax system is set up to take wealth from the worker and transfer it to the corporate owners. Land is the only thing a "free market" needs to tax to level the playing field for all participants in the system.

Who are these growers and where will the profits go? Mom and pop's profits will still be made, only now by big business with a government tax of approval. These profits will now leave many "greedy" growers in poverty and will no longer stay in the community of the "greedy" growers. Corporations with big budgets for lobbying will help pass legislation in the various municipalities that are prohibitive to small cannabis growers.

Money is more important than legalization, at least to the government you are asking to stop oppressing you.

The reason I ever responded to this post originally is that someone postulated that the only reason someone on this board could be against 19 is that they are "greedy" growers that are working with leo to have fellow cannabis users thrown in jail to make more money. I disagree on several points but they have all been thoroughly debunked.

I am a no voter, meaning I don't support the fascists by showing up at the polls so their schemes can be validated by the majority of the indoctrinated voters. It is possible that there are other valid viewpoints besides let's jump in bed with the people currently oppressing us. Calling the growers "greedy" because they have been successful at overgrowing the government the last 50 years is childish to say the least.

It appears that most on this thread cannot even comprehend other points of view without bias, bigotry, and attacks against the other side for having a different opinion. Most posters in the "yes" category are acting quite possessed with the political spirit of "morality" and being "right" on their side. Scary what people will do when they "know" they are "right" and state sponsored programming takes over to fill their "moral" void.

Calling the people that are fueling this movement greedy because of concerns too complex for the twenty something year old stoners to comprehend is a political move to garner support for a shitty law.

 

[Gypsy Nirvana]

ROTFLMAO! Sam.....

....what a retort!

*I like the way you think.....very well said....

 

[binaryfission]

this is a proposition created mainly to allow the set up of commercial non med. commercial interests funded it, not pot mother teresa. very simple. too simple for you to comprehend.

oh really? so allowing every citizen the ability to grown their own is discrimination against the poor....?

I think you are the bigot here. You think all poor people are renters?

That just isn't true.

 

[CrazyCooter]

CrazyCooter,
Why are you here? You say you don't vote.
Or maybe don't even live in California? Are you a 215 grower?
You say that politics is a scam and you refuse to play their game.
You say how immature it is to call people names and then do exactly that.
I have no idea why you are here discussing politics and voting but if I had to guess, you just like to argue.
I suspect anyone that answers you is wasting their time because you don't vote anyway, and your agenda is not Cannabis it is arguing or "workers".
I am curious how you will react to the "manicuring union" when they demand $50 an hour and medical and paid vacations as well as a lot of other workers rights. I might think you would support them as you want to assure that workers, part of the 90% of americans that do the work, get their fair share?
But then again you don't like the government telling you what to do, so maybe you will just stay on the side of the 10% of Americans that own everything, and continue to screw any workers you use to help you, if any?
I noticed you never answered if you do buy gasoline, clothing, automobiles, or other taxed consumables that enrich big business and big government? If yes why do you support them, knowing they will be oppressing the workers? Just refuse all taxed and regulated products, and you will be helping your cause instead of enriching the people at big biz and big government.
Remember that participating in a rigged system only produces the results the system wants, a wise man once said....

Oh and by the way greed is not just something that is found in some growers under 215, it is found everywhere, in workers, unions, poor unemployed people, big biz, big government, I would say in almost every group you can name you will find greedy people, but it is what they are willing to do to insure they will be well paid for their work that is important. Like keeping Cannabis illegal for all Californians so growers under 215 can continue their lifestyle choices.

"Calling the growers "greedy" because they have been successful at overgrowing the government the last 50 years is childish to say the least."

It is the high prices combined with the growers not wanting to pass Prop 19 because it might upset their income flow, that I really call greedy.

To me it is an easy choice, all the people come first, and not just some greedy growers that might be profiteering under 215. All the people come first.
For me it is an easy choice, but I want prices to fall, mainly so an average "worker" can keep more of their hard earned cash instead of handing it over to buy an eighth for $60. I say free the workers from the oppressive Cannabis prices.....
$50 an Oz sounds about right, so CrazyCooter, are you going to help your fellow workers and sell to them at a reasonable price, as well as give any workers that help you, full medical, paid vacations, and $50 an hour to manicure? Step up to the plate....
The "workers" are waiting...

-SamS

Simple solutions to complex problems. Educate yourselves a little on the political machine if you can take a break from upping your post counts.

"Propaganda" - Bernays

"The Evolution of Civilizations" - Quigley

"Tragedy and Hope" - Quigley

"Progress and Poverty" - George

"The Creature from Jekyll Island" - Griffin

"Common Sense" - Payne

"rights of Man" - Payne

As I stated before, it is not about $50 an hour or medical.

Land + Labor + Capital + Wealth

Workers need land if they are going to have any wealth. If we want to share the wealth, we need to share the Land. One of the two reasons Americans prospered when they did was easy cheap access to new land. That is gone and so goes the wealth.

Neo,

if you read the "Evolution of Civilizations" you will see that when weapons are easily accessible and easy to use for both the government and people, there is more freedom and liberty for the people. This happened when firearms were easy to manufacture, the highest form of weapons, and easily accessible. In America this was happening in the 1800s. We now have specialized weapons and armies that are expensive, complicated, and hard to obtain for the masses. What do you think is going to happen?

Sorry you don't understand where I am coming from but the majority of you guys are pretty close minded with very little education on politics or economics.

Simple solutions to complex problems for the simple minded.

Wise the fuck up Sam. It is hard to understand but if you open a book and open your mind as much as you open your mouth you might be able to understand another persons point of view, even if you don't agree.

 

[JJScorpio]

Put down the books and forget the propaganda they've fed you and see what's really going on out there.... I never had a lot of respect for someone that preaches life from a book....

You are good at avoiding Sam's questions though. Did you learn that from a book?

 

[215forLife]

I encourage people to vote NO on prop 19 because I am a stoner, a buyer,a seller, a grower, a defendant, an ex prisoner, and current tax paying cannabis entrepreneur that see's beyond the curtain, that can see that prop 19 is a prohibitionist trojan horse.

If you study the history of the prohibition on weed you will find out that the FEDERAL prohibition on cannabis originally began with the

"Marihuana Tax Act of 1937".
http://www.druglibrary.org/schaffer/hemp/taxact/mjtaxact.htm

"The popular and therapeutic uses of hemp preparations are not categorically prohibited by the provisions of the Marihuana Tax Act of 1937. The apparent purpose of the Act is to levy a token tax of approximately one dollar on all buyers, sellers, importers, growers, physicians,veterinarians, and any other persons who deal in marijuana commercially, prescribe it professionally, or possess it. "


http://wiki.ssdpedia.org/index.php/Marijuana_Tax_Act_of_1937"

The Marijuana Tax Act of 1937, the pet project of Harry J. Anslinger,indirectly prohibited marijuana on the federal level. The bill curbed the traffic of marijuana by enacting complex and intensive taxation on marijuana and hemp transactions, with penalties of up to $2000 and 5 years in prison if violated. In turn, the possession and distribution of hemp and marijuana became too risky for people to do. The bill used no scientific studies to back it's statements, but Anslinger's propaganda campaign along with racism and many other factors helped pass the bill with minor opposition. The bill was later found unconstitutional and repealed in the supreme court case Leary v. United States "



If you read prop 19 and read the tax act of 1937 you will see they sound an awfully lot alike. Right now Weed is currently legal on the state and federal level's and the locals are pretty much powerless to change that under prop 215. Currently if you have a doctors recommendation you can grow, trade, sell, smoke in public, and pretty much anything you want without regulation or restriction by the Government (and the Fed's are letting our current medical law fly for the most part) with one exception, you can't legally get rich doing it, nobody can. No taxes,No bribery/extortion fee's for permits, no profits for corporations,and if following CCE federal law not pocketing more than a $1000 a month when all is said and done. Prop 19 allows for all those wonderful things prop 215 gives us the right to do to be taken away by LOCAL governments, while making the ONE things 215/sb420 don't allow the rule of the day, and instead of the herb being kind, the dollar will be.

The only people who benefit from the passage of prop 19 are the one's who are directly funding it. They have been funding the campaigns of local politicians

""Cannabis Cash in Mayor's Race

The city of Oakland's mainstreaming of medical marijuana has extended to its mayoral races, where leading cannabis dispensaries, hydroponics stores,and the Prop 19 campaign are showing up in campaign finance disclosures for mayoral candidates Rebecca Kaplan, Jean Quan, and Don Perata.



TaxCannabis 2010 volunteer coordinator Jennifer Hall donated the maximum personal amount of $700 to Kaplan's campaign, as did Dan Rush of the UFCW Local 5 who recently helped unionize Oaksterdam. Potential Oakland cultivator Jeff Wilcox of AgraMed also donated the maximum of $700 to Kaplan,""

http://www.eastbayexpress.com/Legal...ds-cannabis-cash-contributing-to-mayoral-race



These people aren't doing it for the goodwill of the people either, the local legislation they have pushed is purposely designed to eliminate the small growers and patients who grow for themselves.


""There are current industrial cultivators that may have some claim to legality by maintaining a list of qualified patients for whom the cultivation is intended, or in at least one case,by keeping the cultivation divided into compartments, each belonging to a three person collective. If these operations remain in existence, it will be more difficult to foster industrial cultivation in a licensed,regulated mode. The proposed ordinance clarifies that the City does not allow any industrial-scale cultivation except on a permitted basis.This will clearly establish the Cultivation, Manufacturing and Processing permit as the only legal model, and will greatly simplify police enforcement.""
http://clerkwebsvr1.oaklandnet.com/attachments/25359.pdf <--- Oakland Cultivation Ordinance



These people who are paying for prop 19 are working with the police. The police have always been against anybody getting high on anything. They know prop 19 is there trojan horse.http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KqoU85VEmWY

Watch they are doing it to please LAW ENFORCEMENT not to PLEASE THE PEOPLE.

Prop 19 isn't legalization it's the wholesale destruction of Cannabis being a part of the counter culture.

It doesn't change any of the current bad things.

Many have claimed that prop 19 won't affect prop 215. Yet here is what actual LAWYERS WHO PRACTICE CRIMINAL DEFENSE LAW IN CALIFORNIA COURTS HAVE TO SAY...

http://www.rhdefense.com/blog/marijuana-law/blowing-smoke-proposition-19-medical-marijuana/

""the problem isn't with Proposition 19′s proposed addition of section 11300 to the Health & Safety Code.

There is potentially a significant problem, however, with Proposition 19′s proposed addition of section 11301. Ironically, the reason is that same "notwithstanding any other provision of state or local law" phrase in the proposed language. The entire relevant portion says:

Notwithstanding any other provision of state or local law, a local government may adopt ordinances, regulations, or other acts having the force of law to control, license, regulate, permit or otherwise authorize, with conditions, the following....

Remembering the meaning of"notwithstanding any other provision of state law,"

this means "inspite of what the medical marijuana laws say, a local government may"potentially adopt restrictive rules as pertains to certain activities.The listed activities are all the activities one needs to carry out in order to obtain, or grow, or consume medical marijuana.

Right now — at least the way I read the law — local governments cannot effectively eliminate the protections of the medical marijuana laws bypassing local ordinances that "control" or "regulate" them. If they did, I think many such ordinances would arguably constitute impermissible amendments to the Compassionate Use Act passed by the People via the initiative process — something no California government can do. 2 Thus, rules that some counties are passing in an attempted end-run around medical marijuana laws are probably unenforceable because they are contrary to the Compassionate Use Act, the Medical Marijuana Program Act, or both.3

Tulare County, for example, has passed such limiting ordinances. Some of these ordinances have not yet been tested in court, but other portions of the Tulare County ordinances are already illegal and thus unenforceable. For example, the ordinances include limitations on quantities of marijuana which may be possessed or cultivated. But the California Supreme Court has already determined that this constitutes an impermissible amendment to the Compassionate Use Act.4

Proposition 19, however, will allow local governments to do what the Compassionate Use Act currently forbids them from doing. Why? Because the Compassionate Use Act was enacted into the law by initiative: Proposition 215. Initiatives can only be changed by the government if the initiative itself either expressly permits that, or if the Constitution is changed in some way as to alter the initiative process. Thus, any California government is,by law, powerless to act on its own to amend an initiative statute. Any change in this authority must come in the form of a constitutional revision or amendment to article II, section 10,subdivision (c).5

However, amendments to statutes implemented via an initiative can also be amended, or even overruled, by initiatives. 6

Well, guess what? Proposition 19 is an initiative, also! So Proposition 19 can amend, or even abolish, part, or all, of the medical marijuana laws, including the Compassionate Use Act voted into place by Proposition 215.""

You can further read the lawyers explanation:

http://www.rhdefense.com/blog/marijuana-law/toke-it-easy-man-more-on-proposition-19/
"This post, therefore, is another attempt to focus attention on that point and explain why, regardless of the intentions of Proposition 19 proponents, Proposition 19 may contain within it the seeds to undoing, at least in part, what was accomplished with Proposition 215, the Compassionate Use Act, which legalized marijuana in California for medical patients who needed it."

Here is what another lawyer says,

"# Jennifer Soares Says:August 21st, 2010 at 2:35 pm
Thank you so much for your insightful article. A common misconception Prop 19 proponents state is that Prop 19 must explicitly state that its intention is to overrule or change Prop 215. And no amount of proof that they are incorrect can stop them from saying so.

This is something I have been battling since April. Attorney to Attorney, be prepared for people to tell you that you haven't been an attorney long enough to make any sort of judgments (even though the people saying this have never been attorneys at all). Be prepared for people to call into question your professionalism, your motives, your ethics, and your morals. And especially be prepared for some name calling.

What is so funny to me though, is neither of us is per-say Prop 19 opponents. Both of us simply want to educate the voters on the initiative. And the proponents attack us for doing so."

The proponents of prop 19 couldn't even get the support of Dennis Peron
( http://www.castrocastle.com/ <---video of him and I discussing prop 19)... the man who has done more to get weed legal world wide in the last 30 years than anyone else.WE ALL OWE HIM RESPECT. Richard Lee failed to give him that respect and listen to him. Otherwise we would have something we could all agree to vote on, because something that we should actually vote yes on would actually make it impossible to ever be arrested for weed again period! The rest is commentary...

 

[215forLife]

Lastly Why the fuck did Richard Lee say this:
""It will be just like medical marijuana was after [Prop.] 215, when a few cities were doing it, like San Francisco, Oakland, and Berkeley," Lee told us. "And for cities just coming to grips with medical marijuana, it will be clean-up language that clarifies how they can regulate and tax it."" http://www.sfbg.com/2010/08/17/high-time?page=0%2C0

If prop 19 isn't supposed to affect medical marijuana laws at all then how can it be "clean-up language" ? Sounds like someone is getting caught in their lies...

 

[Kalicokitty]

I encourage people to vote NO on prop 19 because I am a stoner, a buyer,a seller, a grower, a defendant, an ex prisoner, and current tax paying cannabis entrepreneur that see's beyond the curtain, that can see that prop 19 is a prohibitionist trojan horse.

y...

It's already prohibited in case you haven't noticed.
So now it will be double secret prohibited if 19 passes? Lol

Cannabis entrepreneur= I make all my money from $60 eights and don't want that to change

 

[215forLife]

It's not prohibited you're tripping. Under current california law I can grow as much as I want legally. Under federal law there are enough loopholes that one could pull a Leary v United States again.

The Feds have knowingly accepted income taxes for growing weed. I know because it was my tax check they cashed Kalicokitty...

 

[Kalicokitty]

It's not prohibited you're tripping. Under current california law I can grow as much as I want legally. Under federal law there are enough loopholes that one could pull a Leary v United States again.

The Feds have knowingly accepted income taxes for growing weed. I know because it was my tax check they cashed Kalicokitty...

That's great for you.
How about the rest of the country?
And all the people going to jail?
Change has to start somewhere, myself and many others believe 19 passing is the beginning of it.

Adapt and roll with the changes, you will still be able to make money.

 

[BiG H3rB Tr3E]

It never ceases to amaze me how letting people cultivate and possess cannabis is some how more restrictive then current law...?

PS. 215 is not law. If 215 allowed everyone to consume, possess and cultivate without needing to purchase a fake reccomendation from a quack doctor every year then it would be legal.

But right now mj is about as legal as oxycontin. Sure YOU may be able to posesses it with your paperwork, but if someone else who doesnt have the paperwork gets caught with it they goto jail.

All 19 does is allow people to cultivate and possess in personal amounts. Most people are too lazy to grow anyways. So all you small growers and dealers subsidizing your bills with illegal mj sales need not worry. There will always be a black market, and the risks you face today will not be any worst then the risks you face post 19.

 

[215forLife]

That's great for you.
How about the rest of the country?

The REST of the country needs to do what we did in 1996.

That's great for you.
And all the people going to jail?

Prop 19 doesn't change that. All of the people who are doing time for weed now still will do time under prop 19.

PROP 19 DOES NOT REMOVE ANY OF THE LAWS AGAINST WEED FROM THE CALIFORNIA LAW BOOKS.

Change has to start somewhere, myself and many others believe 19 passing is the beginning of it.

Prop 19 is not the beginning of it... unless the change you want is spare change after the monopolist have squeezed every penny possible out of the market.

Adapt and roll with the changes, you will still be able to make money.

For me Money is that last thing this has to do with...

But to answer your question if I can do what I am doing now legally, THEN ANYONE CAN DO IT TOO UNDER CURRENT LAW!...

Why don't you read that big ass post I made, and actually pursue the links I provided. The things I am stating are true.

 

[215forLife]

It never ceases to amaze me how letting people cultivate and possess cannabis is some how more restrictive then current law...?

PS. 215 is not law. If 215 allowed everyone to consume, possess and cultivate without needing to purchase a fake reccomendation from a quack doctor every year then it would be legal.

But right now mj is about as legal as oxycontin. Sure YOU may be able to posesses it with your paperwork, but if someone else who doesnt have the paperwork gets caught they goto jail.

Prop 19 will make it so you have to have special permission to cultivate cannabis and sell it. If you don't you get busted. Funny because the 5x5 everyone is clamoring about... WILL be taxed to the gills too...

If you want to grow your 5x5 in Rancho Cordova you still will have to pay $15,000 in annual taxes... I'm sorry but I would rather pay $100 to a doctor than $15,000 to city government....

"But the city's proposed "Personal Cannabis Cultivation Tax" also makes no distinction between medical and recreational cultivation. So the tax would kick in for anyone currently cultivating for personal medical use -- whether Prop 19 passes or not. If passed by local voters, the taxation measure in the Sacramento County city would make at-home cultivation a much more expensive endeavor.
The Rancho Cordova measure would impose a $600 annual tax per square foot of indoor cultivation of 25 square feet of marijuana or less and a $900 per square foot tax if the indoor growing area is more than 25 square feet.
The city tax would cost a local indoor grower $6,000 a year on 10 square feet of pot plants and $15,000 for 25 square feet. Outdoor growers, who would be billed at a lower rate, would pay a $1,200 residential tax for 25 square feet of marijuana plants.


http://blogs.sacbee.com/weed-wars/2...-tax-marijuana-cultivators.html#ixzz0xM2BzgMU"

To bad the city won't be able to enforce the taxation (Leary v United States) if prop 19 doesn't pass.


Prop 19 is NOT a good thing.

 

[JJScorpio]

It's not prohibited you're tripping. Under current california law I can grow as much as I want legally. Under federal law there are enough loopholes that one could pull a Leary v United States again.

The Feds have knowingly accepted income taxes for growing weed. I know because it was my tax check they cashed Kalicokitty...

You sure are one greedy, selfish individual. Congratulations. As long as you're safe all is well, lol....

I almost forgot, lol. You're the one that posted that article from a "real Lawyer" claiming he knew everything but forgot to add the part where he backpeddled and admitted he "could be wrong", lol.

Aren't you also the one that claimed you "smoked up in front of the Capitol and in front of a cop and drug dog", yet posted a picture of yourself hiding behind a tree with a cig butt in your mouth?

I guess that shows you don't feel as safe as you say now doesn't it? So that leaves the money making under 215 as your motivation.

After what you've shown us, why would anyone take what you say seriously?

 

[kmk420kali]

PROP 19 DOES NOT REMOVE ANY OF THE LAWS AGAINST WEED FROM THE CALIFORNIA LAW BOOKS.

Sorry bro, that is simply not true--
It removes the Misdemeanor for possession of an ounce or under...yes, it is now still a Misdemeanor...just because they made it so it does not require Booking...it is still counted as an Arrest, that is how they use all those tickets to pad the "Arrest Stats"-- But it will still show up on Record as an "Arrest"--
Also, 19 removes any penalty for what you possess in your house...you can keep all the weed you grow in your Legal Garden, and they specify no limits-- Right now, if LEO rolls in your house, and you have 10 pounds sitting there (Even if you are 215 compliant), they have an option to arrest you, and let the Courts figure it out...but under 19...it is not an arrestable thing at all--
Those are the big things that changed me from a "No" to a "Yes"--

 

[subrob]

wait a minute....didnt you already flip to the yes side 215? what happened? or was that someone else?
---like i said, many times in many threads....some want whats best for everyone...some want whats best for them and fuck the rest

 

[JJScorpio]

It also removes the Felony cultivation charge for non 215 people as long as they stay within the 25 sq foot boundary...

Sorry bro, that is simply not true--
It removes the Misdemeanor for possession of an ounce or under...yes, it is now still a Misdemeanor...just because they made it so it does not require Booking...it is still counted as an Arrest, that is how they use all those tickets to pad the "Arrest Stats"-- But it will still show up on Record as an "Arrest"--
Also, 19 removes any penalty for what you possess in your house...you can keep all the weed you grow in your Legal Garden, and they specify no limits-- Right now, if LEO rolls in your house, and you have 10 pounds sitting there (Even if you are 215 compliant), they have an option to arrest you, and let the Courts figure it out...but under 19...it is not an arrestable thing at all--
Those are the big things that changed me from a "No" to a "Yes"--

 

[englishrick]

id work for sam,,,sounds like hes a good boss,,

 

[BiG H3rB Tr3E]

Prop 19 will make it so you have to have special permission to cultivate cannabis and sell it. If you don't you get busted. Funny because the 5x5 everyone is clamoring about... WILL be taxed to the gills too...

If you want to grow your 5x5 in Rancho Cordova you still will have to pay $15,000 in annual taxes... I'm sorry but I would rather pay $100 to a doctor than $15,000 to city government....

"But the city's proposed "Personal Cannabis Cultivation Tax" also makes no distinction between medical and recreational cultivation. So the tax would kick in for anyone currently cultivating for personal medical use -- whether Prop 19 passes or not. If passed by local voters, the taxation measure in the Sacramento County city would make at-home cultivation a much more expensive endeavor.
The Rancho Cordova measure would impose a $600 annual tax per square foot of indoor cultivation of 25 square feet of marijuana or less and a $900 per square foot tax if the indoor growing area is more than 25 square feet.
The city tax would cost a local indoor grower $6,000 a year on 10 square feet of pot plants and $15,000 for 25 square feet. Outdoor growers, who would be billed at a lower rate, would pay a $1,200 residential tax for 25 square feet of marijuana plants.


http://blogs.sacbee.com/weed-wars/2...-tax-marijuana-cultivators.html#ixzz0xM2BzgMU"

To bad the city won't be able to enforce the taxation (Leary v United States) if prop 19 doesn't pass.


Prop 19 is NOT a good thing.

Do you have permission to grow from your landlord now? If not he can call the police, have you arrested and evicted. Under 19 he can only evict you. And ranch Cordova has to put that to a vote to tax it like that. 1 city out of 489 and you throw the towel in? What a joke. It's obvious there is another reason your against 19 and I really doubt it has to do with landlords or rancho Cordova...

215forLies!!!!

 

[kmk420kali]

It also removes the Felony cultivation charge for non 215 people as long as they stay within the 25 sq foot boundary...

Haha.... I was going to edit that in after I posted....but then I jumped in the shower....came out and BAM!!....someone had my back!! Thanks--