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ICMAG Administration endorses The Regulate, Control and Tax Cannabis Act of 2010
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If you haven't smoked or grown for the last 40 years, that really sucks for you. Please change your title to State of CA not state of Jefferson. He at least did what the fuck he wanted.
you sir are a fool.
SOG
Such anger from a stoner. If you vote to make 30sq' gardens ILLEGAL you are supporting PROHIBITION. A vote for 19 is a vote for PROHIBITION, because as Dagnabit said, not allowing me to grow my own on my own land is prohibition.
You think your limitations on other's gardens is fine. I think you are a hypocrite for growing and preaching to others that they follow the law. 110% legal is not violating federal schedule one, just FYI.
We have ZERO allowed sqft now. We are INCREASING it to 25sqft. A vote for no is limiting people to grow NOTHING.
I could stand to lose my entire livelyhood and I'm STILL for it.
If 19 is so fucking horrible, work on passing your own legislation in your own state.
I'm guessing you won't do a damn thing except complain about how others work isn't up to your standards.
PS I wouldn't smoke wit you if you had the last ounce on the planet.
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How many chances do you think you will get for this?
Legislation/initiatives cost lots of money.
Cannabis rights will only grow with political momentum and a 19 Victory.
Look at Prop 8.
They had their rights and then lost them.
The gay community has lost years in the advance of their civil rights because of the momentum lost to Prop 8 because of complacence to the overall mega issue.
This bears repeating but the far right in CA wants to repeal 215. That is public knowledge.
If 'the majority" vote against cannabis rights the Far Right's case is made for them.
"The people are against it - like they don't want gay marriage, the GOP pundits will say.
Beggars can't be choosers my momma used to say.
Don't look a gift horse in the mouth.
I didn't live in CA in 96.
This is the only time in my life I've been offered to pull a lever for cannabis sanity.
I'm not going to blow that one chance on a prayer that a "better bill" will magically appear.
Like SB420 followed 215 so will the better bill follow a SUCCESSFUL Prop 19.
A failed Prop 19 gets nothing....nothing but trouble for the cannabis community.
the GOP party apparatus and far right lobbying groups ARE working very hard to beat this down.
http://www.noonproposition19.com/
That group is run by this lobbying company:
The Wayne Johnson Agency
They run GOP campaigns and far right wing initiatives.
Just so we are clear about who the REAL opposition is....they are the ones against 19 and Cannabis period.
Sometimes you should just look around to find out what sort of group you are in with and supporting.
These are the people that think we are ALL Second Class Citizens.
And some of you want to help them repress all of us?
Really?
Vote Yes on Prop 19.
Legislation/initiatives cost lots of money.
Cannabis rights will only grow with political momentum and a 19 Victory.
Look at Prop 8.
They had their rights and then lost them.
The gay community has lost years in the advance of their civil rights because of the momentum lost to Prop 8 because of complacence to the overall mega issue.
This bears repeating but the far right in CA wants to repeal 215. That is public knowledge.
If 'the majority" vote against cannabis rights the Far Right's case is made for them.
"The people are against it - like they don't want gay marriage, the GOP pundits will say.
Beggars can't be choosers my momma used to say.
Don't look a gift horse in the mouth.
I didn't live in CA in 96.
This is the only time in my life I've been offered to pull a lever for cannabis sanity.
I'm not going to blow that one chance on a prayer that a "better bill" will magically appear.
Like SB420 followed 215 so will the better bill follow a SUCCESSFUL Prop 19.
A failed Prop 19 gets nothing....nothing but trouble for the cannabis community.
the GOP party apparatus and far right lobbying groups ARE working very hard to beat this down.
http://www.noonproposition19.com/
That group is run by this lobbying company:
The Wayne Johnson Agency
They run GOP campaigns and far right wing initiatives.
Just so we are clear about who the REAL opposition is....they are the ones against 19 and Cannabis period.
Sometimes you should just look around to find out what sort of group you are in with and supporting.
These are the people that think we are ALL Second Class Citizens.
And some of you want to help them repress all of us?
Really?
Vote Yes on Prop 19.
MoldyFrogToe
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Who says prop 19 is prohibition when not voting for prop 19 = fully illegality
fucking retarded, jesus
fucking retarded, jesus
Don't care if you'd smoke with me.
My PK would still kill your best and I'd make money betting on that prop.
Don't care if you'd loose your livelihood just as you don't care that others get imprisoned.
But I was born in CA so I am a citizen, if you care about that stuff. My thought is this is bad.
You said it not me brother, if you don't want to let me use my house to grow as I see fit you are a prohibitionist.
You made that point. I just agree with you.
now i understand...
you just dont have the required reading comprehension skills to engage in a reasoned discourse on a topic as semantics based as legal linguistics if from
you somehow made the "logical" leap to
but for your limited ability ill attempt to simplify it.
you see the growers you referenced in this post
wont see one bit of difference when 19 passes (except they could apply for a license and go into business)whereas i will be completely legal after 19 passes.
you see the true fallacy is to say my voting to end prohibition is somehow increasing the prohibition on them.
this is nothing more than a weak attempt to spin a reasonable statement into some nonsense (quite a weak attempt at that)
however voting against the end of prohibition (prop 19) is by definition denying me and the majority of pot smokers of their rights.
so please do explain how my vote for 19 increases the already existing prohibition on 3,000,00 sq' grows?
Lets keep the name calling and personal attacks out of this thread please. If you think you have to call someone a name to get your point across.... I recommend you step away from the keyboard and let your blood pressure settle a bit ... perhaps ... smoking a joint would be a good idea.
Prop19 has language specifically excluding 215. A 5x5 grow and being able to carry an oz or less legally are good first steps. I can't think of anybody I know who's a recreational smoker that needs more than that for their own personal use. If they need more, grow better strains, lobby for increasing the minimums, go to rehab, buy what you can't grow, or get a medical recommendation (or some combination thereof).
I don't understand your point of view, Hydro. You're a sensible dude.
Right now... the LEGAL limit for growing personal recreational marijuana is NONE.
A vote for 19 is a vote to REPEAL PROHIBITION (in an admittedly somewhat limited sense.)
When they repealed alcohol prohibition... moonshine was still illegal. Shouldn't you be busy boycotting every single establishment that caters to alcohol consumption... (which pretty much leaves you buying your groceries at farmers markets and making your own toilet paper, because grocery stores and discount stores (think target, walmart, etc.) all have liquor licenses.
So don't support any of those prohibitionists.
Don't go to any sporting events, concerts, plays, bars, nightclubs, etc. either.
If you ever visit ANY of those places, you're an alcohol prohibitionist, right?
Until everyone in the world can produce as much moonshine as they wish, nobody in the world should be able to have a beer, right?
Nobody wants to limit other people's gardens. This prop sets a ***MINIMUM*** of 25 sq feet per residence. Individual municipalities can raise that limit (but cannot lower it).
What's your issue?
You ever drink a beer that you didn't grow the hops and then brew yourself?
Seriously. much respect to you... but your thinking on this makes no sense.
If you can't grow 30+ sq ft legally, nobody else should be able to grow ANYTHING?
Who's the prohibitionist?
mucho props to anti and vta...and anyone else holding the line and explaining these things to our....er...confused...brethren, over and over and over and over and over....you have much patience my friends and im really quite frightened over the number of people that could possibly have made misinformed decisions w all the ...er...rhetoric...being produced by the anti19 people on the boards....i ran out of patience at least two weeks ago and even briefly thought of leaving the sight out of anger. im very happy and thankful to you folks who have the gumption to stick it out and hold the line....i would have been banned awhile ago if i had tried to stick around these threads...good for you! and THANK YOU
As I said AK and NV don't have laws against personal cultivation, so ZERO is the CA limit, but not true for all 50 states.
Why would CA want to set limits on growers? Prop 19 does less than other states have currently.
As I said AK and NV don't have laws against personal cultivation, so ZERO is the CA limit, but not true for all 50 states.
Why would CA want to set limits on growers? Prop 19 does less than other states have currently.
if AK is Alaska, that's not true
from my understanding, there is some plant limit
i believe there was an earlier court decision that did not specify any limits
that decision has been superseded by another court decision
What does that have to do with california laws? California DOES have laws against personal cultivation. So ZERO going suddenly to 25 sq feet and whatever you can hold in your home sounds like fucking Christmas coming early to me. Here comes santa claus with a fat sack of green over his shoulder!
Dude. California ALREADY LIMITS NON-MEDICAL GROWERS TO ZERO! California is discussing RAISING (not lowering) that limit to TWENTY FIVE SQUARE FEET. That's INFINITELY BETTER than the NOTHING they have NOW!
(Some ass-hat is about to chime in with, "Nuh uh, with my med card I can grow 99 plants." Watch.)
BTW- hydro.. ever go anywhere that serves beer? You kinda ignored all that stuff.
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subrob, im with ya. i too am thankful for those who can articulate a response to the redundant issues being brought up.
i think a non response is the best b/c by responding it allows them to ignore the articulated response that points out where they are incorrect and it gives them fuel to sidetrack to another wrong assumption that gets refuted......followed by another sidetrack......that gets refuted......100 pages later same rhetoric.
its obvious that everyone deserves the right to engage but not every post deserves a response.
i think a non response is the best b/c by responding it allows them to ignore the articulated response that points out where they are incorrect and it gives them fuel to sidetrack to another wrong assumption that gets refuted......followed by another sidetrack......that gets refuted......100 pages later same rhetoric.
its obvious that everyone deserves the right to engage but not every post deserves a response.
also the same questions keep being asked that have been answered. I get frustrated when that happens it's like they dont want to read it or are just ignoring the responses.
As I said AK and NV don't have laws against personal cultivation, so ZERO is the CA limit, but not true for all 50 states.
Why would CA want to set limits on growers? Prop 19 does less than other states have currently.
Hydro, do you ever check out any of the "facts" that you post? With a couple of minutes quick looking around, it was interesting to find out that cultivation is not legal in Nevada or Alaska. In fact if you aren’t covered under the medical provisions for either state, it is a felony in both states, with Alaska giving you up to a 5 year vacation and in Nevada for a third offense it goes to 3-15 years. Gee, it sounds a bit harsher than California. Both states are liberal with their medical laws, but so is California. And 19 is a vast improvement. Remember – it would become the most liberal set of marijuana laws in the world. I’m starting to get a feeling of solidarity with the people who have been questioning your veracity and quality of debate. It appears that you have no facts and you aren't a resident. What's your fight?
http://norml.org/index.cfm?wtm_view=&Group_ID=4550
http://www.criminaldefenselawyer.com/marijuana-laws-and-penalties/alaska.htm
SkimmingDaSky
Member
Yea. I dunno how he plans on selling ounces for $40 when the tax is $50. Does anyone know how cigs and beer are taxed??
That tax is ridiculously high, but those prices are close to what they are now, about $100 for an ounce of mid. I dunno. I really would like for this to pass and worry about the rest later lol. And honestly, like you said, I would never buy weed. Grow it tax free under the radar. That would be my dream come true lol.
$50 / oz was for armianos bill. That is not in the language of 19.
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