Why is medical marijuana so expensive?

[Hammerhead]

I believe this discusion is about the states that have MMJ laws in place. The price in states that do not have these laws are going to be higher of cource at least imo

 

[Babbabud]

Well once the law in these states is truly looked at by law enforcement as the law then things will actualy change. The citys are still putting moretoriums against collectives and the cops are still arresting ppl for MJ even if they have med papers ... when that changes I assure you the prices will change. But ive never seen an ounce for 500 ... wonder what that looks like ?

 

[Blue Dot]

But ive never seen an ounce for 500 ... wonder what that looks like ?

You've never seen $60/1/8th? (=$500/oz) Ever been to an LA club?

 

[southpaw]

But ive never seen an ounce for 500 ... wonder what that looks like ?

For $500 an ounce, it better be what Dave was selling in Half Baked.

 

[Babbabud]

No if ppl buy ounces its cheaper. Ive seen them for 400 which I thought was very expensive. But from what I see if the grower brought his weed in cheaper,some of the collectives would still sell it for their going rate. Although I also see the collectives giving meds to the truly ill that cant afford it. The employees organize thier own food drives for the less fortunate in our area. They also give to many of the local organizations that help the less fortunate. Im sure every collective or dispensary is diff... but I can tell you my family members are employees and come up with alot of great ideas all the time. Also the collective my wife works at 15 bucks a gram is top dollar... they dont sell anything for more and have plenty of choices for less. So its not all to blame on the growers and it seems their are collectives that give it a good try also. The places in small towns I would imagine are under a little bit stronger magnification so may operate diff. Sorry for my bit of a stoned ramble .. but we are pretty high tonight Harvest has begun in norcal

 

[headband 707]

the opposite actually.

Medical prices are always going to be more than it costs on the street... always...

if you can get a rec, walk in and walk out with a zip for 200 right now, you think street prices would still be 250-300? lol

MMJ costs more simply because it CAN cost more.

50 an eighth from your dealer? it better be bomb.

50 an eighth for having the convenience of walking into a nice looking building with magazines and A/C, plus a wide selection? Well, most 50 eighths at co ops dont compare with $40 street eighths in quality.

therefore they can get away with charging 60 an eighth for the exact same stuff you can get from a decent dealer for 40-50. easy.


to the OP. Co Ops actually have competition now, other co ops. You take a customer base that is willing to pay 60 an eighth all day long, the supplier for that customer base will GLADLY pay 4+k per pound because 60x128(eighths in a lb)=$7680

There arent too many clubs charging anything near or over 70, most is 60 or less. so these figures of 10k a lb... In cali? nope it aint happenin.

$7680
-5000 (what top quality indoor can get from co ops that have cash and no supply, this is a 'higher end' figure, you show me someone getting more than 5k consistently for their product and I'll show you someone that has no competition, and believe me there is LOTS in CA)
=$2680 per lb gross profit

now this is per POUND. a busy co op can go through multiple lbs a day.


dont get me started on "medical use" by ANYONE that doesnt grow their own. The economics just dont fit.

Nobody is spending $500+ a month on MMJ as their "medicine". Yeah I realize that a TON of prescription pills costs MORE than that, HOWEVER your INSURANCE is paying a shitload of it, would YOU be willing to pay $400 cash for that bottle of pills? didnt think so.

anyone truly using marijuana as medicine and not recreationally as well, is either very well to do financially, has NO other medical options available to them, or is growing their own.

People visiting different collectives, getting a gram or an eighth here or there, checkin out the new flavors... thats not purely medicinal use. however that is 95+% of the clientele. $50 a week to check out 20+ diff "kushs" instead of "some chron" from a dealer. sounds like a deal if I were 18 and lookin to score.

so... why is medicinal cannabis as expensive as it is?

because there is a (high) demand that is willing to pay that price

Holy shit I hope your not saying that we are paying more for pot because you got a nice building with AC . Cause I would rather not and just get cheaper bud and as far as good bud from the I get better bud from the street better then your bud . From any club anywhere and much cheaper. As far as your different strains that only works if they are good and most of the time they aren't so you lose there too. I hate to be the bearer of bad news here but stop making like there is no problems here when there clearly is for a lot of ppl. Perhaps you should listen instead of putting post like that . The demand for bud is high not the price and certianly not for ppl who can't afford it and not for sick ppl. Ppl have to get smart and stop going to the clubs and gro their own. Peace out Headband707

 

[Hydrosun]

So you refer to the sick and dying and the people that are in need of medical marijuana as the "chosen ones"? And to answer your question, I think a couple hundred an ounce is fair "compensation" to charge a sick person.

The grow forums are filled with information regarding your questions. This is the laws and legislation forum.

And it wasn't very smart referring to me as a cop.....

You got one thing right, I'm not too smart. "Too bad I don't have a party store or a cop discount" has nothing to do with you unless you think it does.

You are the one refering to the sick and dying as the "chosen ones" because I assume I won't have a JJ free MMJ card but the "sick" in your eyes will, or is there some other magical judge of who is ENTITLED to my labor at a discount and who should compensate me more for the same labor.

So let's take your $200 an oz number or $3,200 a lb, less $600 in elec alone down to $2,600 for 2.1 months if we use Hammer as a baseline. $2,600 for 2.1 months to cover who knows what doesn't equal rich. If we say the guy instead got $300 an oz then Hammer would have $4,200 (kind of a cool number) about 5 times a year or $21,000 now he can go an pay for housing in CA but he will not be rich at $21,000 gross. Looking at those numbers I would NOT call Hammer a scumbag if he charged $300.

JJ, I've dropped some legal links and arguments grounded in logic and legal history, you've really dodged the entitlement / enslavement / control of what I do on my land discussion.

Peace,

 

[Owl Mirror]

And it wasn't very smart referring to me as a cop.....

Here I thought I was the only one accused in such a manner in this thread.
I suppose it's common to make false accusations like that by some people.

 

[Hydrosun]

Here I thought I was the only one accused in such a manner in this thread.
I suppose it's common to make false accusations like that by some people.

Maybe you are both uptight because you want to steal others labor, cloak it in YOUR morality and get patted on the back for what OTHERS do. Come to think of it government employee or deja vue is fogging my mind or maybe it is Purple Kush I ILLEGALLY CULTIVATED FOR ME ON MY OWN LAND.

Peace,

 

[Owl Mirror]

Maybe you are both uptight because you want to steal others labor, cloak it in YOUR morality and get patted on the back for what OTHERS do. Come to think of it government employee or deja vue is fogging my mind or maybe it is Purple Kush I ILLEGALLY CULTIVATED FOR ME ON MY OWN LAND.

Peace,

I really do not understand where you keep coming up with this notion of: steal others labor
I offer possible solutions based upon the good of the many while, you offer hubris and greed.
I am sorry you do not care more for anyone other than yourself, must make for a very lonely life.

 

[johnnyla]

bacon!

 

[Hydrosun]

If I am a Dr. and YOU decide that an open hart surgery will be $100 and to get more is a crime then you are steeling the Drs labor and acting unethically.

You haven't read my posts or checked out my albums because if you had you'd see that I "Care" for a lot of people, and I LOVE ICmag, and I GIVE knowledge, my time, and genetics free of charge.

Do I give all those things to only the right people on your list, I doubt it; but in my world your list doesn't mean shit.

I have offered personal freedom and responsibility; if you take that to be greed or evil than you are looking at your feet while trying to build a skyscraper.

Peace,

 

[Blue Dot]

Hydrosun, you are basically defending the capitalism of the medical industry.

Hasn't there been enough evidence to show that it doesn't work and is based on error.

Doctors are rich but patients still suffer.

This is not a good basis for a national health care philosophy.

I get it, your happy to be on the current bandwagon but what you don't get is there is a majority of the people out there sick of this type of notion and we are gonna change this philosophy soon because it's come to a breaking point.

Your ill-conceived, uncompassionate ride is over.

 

[zenoonez]

I really do not understand where you keep coming up with this notion of: steal others labor
I offer possible solutions based upon the good of the many while, you offer hubris and greed.
I am sorry you do not care more for anyone other than yourself, must make for a very lonely life.

Forcing those who produce mj to do so for a lower cost than the market's natural value = forcing someone to take less for their product than it is worth which = stealing in my book. There are very few people in the world that care about others more than themselves. To be honest, I think its delusional either way, whether they truly believe it or not. If you want mj at a lower price find a caregiver who you can work something out with or find a dispensary that offers hardship programs.

 

[Hydrosun]

NO I AM DEFENDING AND DYING FOR TRUE FREEDOM.

That is freedom PERIOD.

Also there HAS BEEN NO EVIDENCE TO SHOW CAPITALISM DOESN'T WORK.

I repeat. I have an OUNCE now of top of the top Purple Kush for you when you are READING. "Capitalism the Unknown Ideal." by Ayn Rand (written many decades ago). Funny UNKNOWN is in the title, because I feel like Alice watching the universe paint the roses red and have unbirthdays.

And FUCKING NO I AM NOT HAPPY WITH THE STATUS QUO I want EVERYONE to GET THE FUCK OUT OF EVERYONES GARDENS AND BEDROOMS, then the price of weed wouldn't matter. Just quit trying to regulate the behavior of free born men.

My "Ride is Over" WTF? You haven't PRODUCED or GIVEN me the Ferrari I NEED and is RECOMMENDED for me, how can my ride be over?

Peace,

 

[Owl Mirror]

Forcing those who produce mj to do so for a lower cost than the market's natural value = forcing someone to take less for their product than it is worth which = stealing in my book. There are very few people in the world that care about others more than themselves. To be honest, I think its delusional either way, whether they truly believe it or not. If you want mj at a lower price find a caregiver who you can work something out with or find a dispensary that offers hardship programs.

I do not advocate nor feel it is necessary to have caregivers or dispensaries.
They only exist to supply the recreational user under the pretext of State Law. As I have stated previously, I believe a community based system should be promoted to assist every patient who wishes to learn and receive assistance in growing their own. Only those who are too sick and can not do for themselves need another to grow for them. That should be a family member or dear friend, not some stranger looking to profit off the patients needs.

Anyone who wants to continue selling high priced marijuana is free to do so, just not in the medicinal marijuana community. If someone wants to buy from a caregiver or dispensary, they are free to do so.
I am only advocating another option for the patient instead of being held hostage to the current profit-driven system,

 

[Hydrosun]

This is the "Community based system" and is Fing FREE! Dumb asses like me lonley with no life as mentioned by Blue Dot who has ZERO grow shots to help people learn from, spend countless hours posting information about GROWING and how to GROW better. For this we at ICmag just ask to get HI and have our thoughts heard. We are having a heated discussion but it doesn't matter because this place is helping people learn. If you are or aren't LEO it doesn't matter knowledge can not be suppressed from the free man looking to learn.

You are not advocating SHIT except steeling at the point of the gun or through moral suasion. I've said repeatedly that MANY have enjoyed Hydrosun grown weed FREE OF CHARGE, this doesn't make me good or bad. Your system of guns to keep me from growing x number plants instead of y number or receiving x dollars a lb instead of y dollars makes you scary. If you have actually read the books I have sighted and still think the way you do you might move from scary to evil.

Peace,

 

[als83]

You understand that is pertaining to your specific condition, right?

Don't lump everything together because doing so would be false. Plenty of conditions have been shown to respond much much better to the actual consumption of the cannabis plant than to swallowing THC pills.

so there are studies conducted with real thc caps??? where????

the thc i got was before they invented ....marinol a pill which is totally worthless imho..i never tried marinol but developed my opinion from
others who have...waste of time i hear

personally i though i was one of the few cancer surviors from 30 years
ago that got real 100% thc caps ... most people who had cancer
back then are dead now... apparently most of the pot community is
not even aware that the goverment gave 100% thc caps to cancer patients...mine was kept in the nurses station under lock....





i would love to see my dr write a script for pot caps, 100 500 mg of
100% thc caps, and pick them up at my pharmacy .. no dr letter($)
no card($) and no dispensary ($) maybe i could even get medical
grade hash from the pharmacy instead of thc pills... the hash would
be tested for the thc content for those mm who prefer to smoke
or inhale the hash fumes...

als83

 

[als83]

exactly. this is why you can't get your meds for "cost" White Owl.

cough up 20k for a legal defense fund, labor hours at a horticulturalist rate, rent for the space, equipment costs, energy usage, submit to a background check to prove you aren't a criminal. credit check to prove you can pay your bills, medical release to prove your legality.

why don't you start your own White Owl Caregivers association where you grow weed for the state of Michigan for cost? you can make $10 per hour, much higher than michgian or federal minimum wage, and then you can be the Mother Theresa of Compasionate Cannabis care in Michigan. LOL.

its really simple...
just refine cheaply grown low thc pot into 100% thc caps or hash and sell them in the pharmacies with the other legal drugs..no dispensaries...medical
cards ...or dr letters you pay for ...its really simple and if the pot
providers can't figuure out how to do this... the state upset over the
outrageous prices being gauged from patients..will then mandate
state growers to grow large crops of low grade pot ..grown cheapily
on a massive scale...like thousands of acers....fenced in..and since its low
grade plants ...there won't be much of a incentive to steal it...

and the current pot providers and growers will revert back to the
black market ....


als83

 

[Hydrosun]

its really simple...
just refine cheaply grown low thc pot into 100% thc caps or hash
als83

That's enough for me. Please provide photos and knowledge on how to really simply refine stuff to 100% TCH, because that is what I'm all about. I try but my shit doesn't always even bubble let alone reach 100%. Lay some knowledge on me.

Peace,