Botanist
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Do private property rights give the Amish or anyone else the right to pollute in ways that affect public property, public water ways and private property held by others?
Their is no such thing as public property.
Do private property rights give the Amish or anyone else the right to pollute in ways that affect public property, public water ways and private property held by others?
we can do thatOf course. But I doubt that the market would provide incentives to do so. Because it is difficult for buyers to tell the difference between the chemically laced bud and the chemically free bud, growers get the same price for good looking chemical laced bud that they do for bud that is chemically free.
Organic labeling and certification would help growers organic cannabis get a higher price for their product, but this involves certification and regulation.
Pine
You are dead wrong about what Botanist suggested. He said we are all free people allowed to grown and smoke as we see fit. NOTHING in his posts suggests that 800,000 arrests per you could continue.
Perhaps you are paying too much attention to your personal ideology and not reading / listening to what others are saying.
Also government regulations ALLOW poison to be sprayed on food, tobacco, and flowers, so it seems like your solution will not achieve the chem free weed you desire.
Leaving home growers alone and focusing on large registered operations is a good test of safety / quality; but I'd put my stuff and my ICmag friends up against the government approved weed any day.
Their is no such thing as public property.
Hydrosun,
You are missing the picture completely, I did read what Botanist had to say but it will not change that over 800,00 Americans are arrested every year, and the same with all your posts, they will not change that more then 800,000 will be arrested this year. I did not say either of you want the 800,000 arrests to continue, I did say they need to stop and your approach will not stop them. Neither of you are doing anything to change this with your posts. I do understand that you both think individual liberty, ideas, property, are more important, but you guys need to realize that to me and most others here, Cannabis liberation is possible, within our grasp, if we don't spend all our time arguing about stupid crap, that will not be solved here and now anyway.
Focus on what can be changed, not what may well be impossible.
Objectivism or Pseudo-philosophy.
The Oxford Companion to Philosophy, defines pseudo-philosophy as "deliberations that masquerade as philosophical but are inept, incompetent, deficient in intellectual seriousness, and reflective of an insufficient commitment to the pursuit of truth."
Contradictions do not exist. Whenever you think you are facing a contradiction, check your premises. You will find that one of them is wrong. Legalize Cannabis today, regulate tomorrow.
Wise up, you need to give big biz and big government a stake in Cannabis, Tax, regulate, and big biz selling... then we will see legal Cannabis and an end to the 800,000 yearly arrests. Or we can spend the next 50 years trying to implement your idea of perfect government, not achieve it, and still have Cannabis illegal and arrests continuing to get higher every year. Your choice.....
-SamS
I will answer. but 1st let me explain why public property does not exist. 1st of you may think that you are part of the "public" you are not. You are only an individual. The deceptive mentality that we all some how own this "public property" is what has gotten us in this mess. the truth is that no one owns the property. No one and everyone in general except for the few bureaucracy that control the use, sale, permits, mineral rights, and everything else. They would be more then happy to sale you a permit to use your own land. It is yours isn't it, i mean, you are part of the "public" aren't you.Invoke whatever semantic contortions you can muster -- in the case of the article about the Amish that still leaves a real existent body of water with dead zones. I'll ask again, this is good why?
In the case of pot, as Sam points out, that still leaves people being arrested for pot and people consuming pot that hasn't been checked for contaminants.
Where's your praxis?
Impossible! Why such a defeated attitude? lol. I think its fair to say that we all want cannabis freedom. The only difference we are having is in the definition of freedom or possibly a difference in will power. What your asking me to do is trade my economic freedom for my freedom of liberty. I refuse to except that i cannot have both.Hydrosun,
You are missing the picture completely, I did read what Botanist had to say but it will not change that over 800,00 Americans are arrested every year, and the same with all your posts, they will not change that more then 800,000 will be arrested this year. I did not say either of you want the 800,000 arrests to continue, I did say they need to stop and your approach will not stop them. Neither of you are doing anything to change this with your posts. I do understand that you both think individual liberty, ideas, property, are more important, but you guys need to realize that to me and most others here, Cannabis liberation is possible, within our grasp, if we don't spend all our time arguing about stupid crap, that will not be solved here and now anyway.
Focus on what can be changed, not what may well be impossible.
You may have underestimated how contagious the philosophy of liberty is. Simply posting small glimpses of it on this site could very well change the world.
I will not back down from what i know to be right and I will not compromise my values away for the sake of government approval.
If my law treats it the same as any other blade of grass on the planet, how are you going to arrest 800,000 people?
How can you read that in my or Botanists posts? Personal freedom is completely compatible with ENDING the arrests.
I don't NEED to GIVE anything to ANYONE. I AM FREE arresting me over MJ is IMMORAL and part of YOUR CREED not mine!
The current state of the law is immoral. You seek to replace one immoral infringement on my freedoms with another. You sir with your new regulations and rules will lock up XX# number of mj users or growers because they don't follow your rules. I guess you will be comparatively more or less evil depending on your lock up number compared to the current regime's.
I think wising up is accepting NO infringement on your natural rights and refraining from infringing on the natural rights of others.
So feel free to be superior with your COMPLETE PHILOSOPHY of Socialism / Collectivism. I will be satisfied with my pseudo-philosophy of Objectivism and freedom for all. I will always have "An insufficient commitment to the TRUTH" when the TRUTH = Majority Opinion or ANY contradiction.
I overgrow the world and condone ZERO of the 800,000 arrests, you choose to disregard my freedoms and the freedoms of all ICmagers and institute your rules in the hopes it leads to 800,000 - X, but I am already at ZERO.
I don't need or want perfect Gvt. but repeal of immoral laws is easy, this wouldn't even take an amendment to the constitution AND the 21st amendment is a great example of this country repealing a MUCH TOUGHER prohibition.
Please never ask me to wise up to anything that would include the imprisonment of ICmagers for growing MJ as THEY see fit.
Impossible! Why such a defeated attitude?
You may have underestimated how contagious the philosophy of liberty is.
Simply posting small glimpses of it on this site could very well change the world.
I will not back down from what i know to be right and I will not compromise my values away for the sake of government approval.
Do i think i will live to see an anarcho-capitalist society?
Yes.
Unless the anarcho-capitalistic society gives out food stamps and welfare I doubt it has a chance to be voted into power. Governments gain power by making the people dependent on them, who will be dependent on an anarcho-capitalistic society?
If few then no one will vote for it, be honest, or do you have a much higher opinion then me about our voters?
And again this is politics, not Cannabis legalization.
-SamS