If Zimmerman was the one on the ground being pummeled, it doesn't mean that he wasn't the one who initiated the physical conflict.
Exactly, I know what you know. which is only what you were fed by the media and what LE allowed to be released. So, I can surely not make an informed decision about what happened, it is really nothing to be worked up about until the REAL story is known.
I haven't seen anyone trying to "defend" Zimmerman. As I pointed out earlier, I think that it is really ironic that a bunch of people who hang out on a cannabis site are jumping on the media lynch-mob wagon when they know full well how factual the media is when reporting about pot. You all "know" what happened in your fantasy scenarios - well, I can think of about 50 different scenarios where, at worst, Zimmerman is guilty of manslaughter. Yes, they all start with him having piss-poor judgment, but that is kind of a pervasive attribute amongst humanity. Personally, I prefer to deal with facts.
Well I for one wish the racism issue wasn't the driving force behind the reaction to this as the likely result will be that Zimmerman goes to jail. Many will feel good about themselves and pat themself on the back claiming to have brought about justice and all the while the real problem will go undealt with.
The real problem here isn't that the shooter might be racist. The real problem here is that he is allowed to carry a gun in public and while doing so he used that gun to shoot and kill someone. Where is the follow up to that action? Police who have a much greater right to carry and use a firearm and who have a job where they might be required to do so have to go thru all sorts of accountability and evaluation when they actually fire their weapons. So where is the evaluation for this guy?
Near as I can tell all this guy needed to do to get approval for his actions from authorities was to say he felt threatened. Yet nowhere in any account have I seen any evidence that clearly justifies the need for deadly force. Perhaps if all people who are allowed to carry guns had to really justify it when they actually use them and faced the possibility of losing the right to carry if they're deemed unfit or their reasons unjustified then maybe more people would think twice before using their gun?
My point exactly. Your mind is already made up based on what you have seen on TV and in the papers, which very likely is not all the pertinent information.Actually a lot of this information was from witnesses that the cops refused to even question. between all the sources it is very clear. If I was a on a jury I would already vote guilty.
Can you show me where the Sanford Police called the U.S. Justice Department?.
I can see how the prosecutors will not press charges if something is dealing with the police as they work together and this I have seen with my own eyes. They allowing a grand jury and the U.S. Justice Department handle the matter NOW after all the outcry but if this wasn't so widely known they would have done nothing.
understanding human nature, having the capacity to take what people say, disseminating truth from fiction and come to logical observable conclusions is not all that difficult
at least its not for me
this can easily be turned into a debate of the probable based on what has been reported across a wide variety of media outlets with metrics assigned to calculate probabilities
what is your proof that race wasn't involved and why do you care to stand your ground here and now on zimmermans behalf?
why
when any of you have a good answer for that ill take my hat from the ring
It's right in the video. What's that about the prosecutors and police now? This case was not "dealing with the police." The prosecutors informed the police that they didn't have a manslaughter case based on lack of evidence and corroborating witness accounts. That's all.
Well I for one wish the racism issue wasn't the driving force behind the reaction to this as the likely result will be that Zimmerman goes to jail. Many will feel good about themselves and pat themself on the back claiming to have brought about justice and all the while the real problem will go undealt with.
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The video stated they WELCOMED federal help and they are were in touched with the department of justice and setting up a meeting NOT they called them BIG DIFFERENCE.
Also, the detectives that the video was basically making statements form were from the Sanford Police and they said the prosecutors told them they didn't have enough evidence for a manslaughter case which is what they are going to say as to why they didn't charge Zimmerman but what I'm stating is Zimmerman obviously has connections with the police because he keeps getting away with doing dumb shit that has led up to this and the police work with the prosecutors as to what will and won't go to trial. You should know this if you are doing something illegal.
One witness already stated the police didn't want to take her statements and she came out on her own and said the police lied about the things she stated.
Witness Speaks Out In Trayvon Martin Case
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1cWwUAbbWnk&feature=related
this has nothing to do with zimmerman a black kid or the media or racism on their parts
it has to do with a bunch of pot heads getting all upset about the word racist and concept of racism when in a foreign context
none of us know the shooter or the victim so why is there any personal vestment in the denial of any known catalyst?
no one answers that one NO ONE
answer that one and all the conflict in the thread is resolved
so what if its a racially biased attack, people do fucked up things for fucked up motives not fucked up things for random non apparent motives
doesn't make it any more or any less wrong or right it simply proves cause and effect
so once again why so many pants get bunched at the prospect of racism being a cause or an effect in this case?
lol
anyone?
Building oneself into a state of frothing incoherence over imagined slights doesn't make them fact.
Nor does this have anything to do with making anything factual. I'm amazed that you can justify to yourself that a logical conclusion and calculated probabilities have the slightest influence on determining what happened between two human beings.
What is your proof that racism was an element here? Preferring to avoid condemning someone until the facts are in is a basic tenet of all reasonable justice systems. Abstaining until facts are at hand is not to be confused with supporting Zimmerman. I think that your zenhood has slipped again.
The video stated they WELCOMED federal help and they are were in touched with the department of justice and setting up a meeting NOT they called them BIG DIFFERENCE.
Also, the detectives that the video was basically making statements form were from the Sanford Police and they said the prosecutors told them they didn't have enough evidence for a manslaughter case which is what they are going to say as to why they didn't charge Zimmerman but what I'm stating is Zimmerman obviously has connections with the police because he keeps getting away with doing dumb shit that has led up to this and the police work with the prosecutors as to what will and won't go to trial. You should know this if you are doing something illegal.