question for sam the skunkman on the original haze

harvestreaper

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so, thats the personality of herbgreen and arjan acording to you.

Many peoples forgot to just speak about the Strain /Strains.



Again, the Peoples who grew it (slightly older reports) liked it .. I have heard people who grow pure thai adising me this strain cause they thought i may need this Tip.. But i ever thought its a pretty ok strain anyway,


I just cant stand if a Strain thats actually pretty ok is talked down, shaded in clouds of pschological verdicts about vendors.. Thats crazy..
The strain was good,

I thik someone really found a couple Strains of GreenhouseSeeds very bad. I dont know what was the issue, but alltogether bad..
That may be the case for their Hybrids , but their Sativas each had not too bad of a reputation, the Arjan Hazes, the Nevilles Haze is good to, and the HawaiianSnow..
i tell beginners in dog breeding this all time forget weather person nice or not check out there dogs/genetics your not looking for who you want to take to meet granma your looking stricktly for genetics
 

mexcurandero420

See the world through a puff of smoke
What he believes true origins of the Hawaiian NLD side is. Anything relating to the line would be great.
Southern Mexican what I read, but when we speak about Mexican origin, it could be Gujarat India.Before Columbus came to South America, there was already a trade between India and Mexico from what I've read in Mexican history.Later the Jesuits were also very interested in the medical value of Cannabis.
 

Mtn. Nectar

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harvestreaper… truth on dogs… been active in that game as well …
studied breeders/pedigrees throughout the world in search of pure highly culled natural working dogs since late 70’s…and one can believe there is as much garbage being bred as in the ganja scene….all on false pretense that it’s something worthy…
late….
 

harvestreaper

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harvestreaper… truth on dogs… been active in that game as well …
studied breeders/pedigrees throughout the world in search of pure highly culled natural working dogs since late 70’s…and one can believe there is as much garbage being bred as in the ganja scene….all on false pretense that it’s something worthy…
late….
for sure these sub cultures are the same as mainstream culture as to percent of bs
 

RandyCalifornia

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i tell beginners in dog breeding this all time forget weather person nice or not check out there dogs/genetics your not looking for who you want to take to meet granma your looking stricktly for genetics
Hey Man, To me personally, I have always said when it comes to weed, "it's all good, just different" as long as you have good parents in the cross you will have decent smoke at least.
I tend to go with my flo and my flo avoid Hubris and tends to pay attention to the more humble personalities with outwardly decent karma. Good genetics can be found all over the place no need to run for the biggest, loudest, most aggressive mouth to have good seeds to play with. I think the genetics is the easier part of the equation, growing the genetics out to perfection and quality is the hard part.
By your works, you will be judged.
 
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unnamedmike

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Historic Mexican literature, but found something similar about the trade between Gujarat traders and Atjeh Indonesia 14th century.
To my knowledge, not a single proof of cannabis cultivation or consumption has yet been found in pre-Columbian America. Has any been found or are still just opinions? I live in Mexico and I'm a lover of history, thanks.
 

harvestreaper

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Hey Man, To me personally, I have always said when it comes to weed, "it's all good, just different" as long as you have good parents in the cross you will have decent smoke at least.
I tend to go with my flo and my flo avoid Hubris and tends to pay attention to the more humble personalities with outwardly decent karma. Good genetics can be found all over the place no need to run for the biggest, loudest, most aggressive mouth to have good seeds to play with. I think the genetics is the easier part of the equation, growing the genetics out to perfection and quality is the hard part.
By your works, you will be judged.
couldt agree more ,,let freedom reighn
 

funkyhorse

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@Gypsy Nirvana
Questions for Master SamS
1) SamS knows about paraguayan weed. How come paraguayan weed never made it to the canna world?
The only reference is a sad cross made in the 80s with a Prima Hollandica indica by SSSC??? Why?

2) I am finding a lot of similarities in the sativa lines coming from California Oldtimer Haze from Sacramento, Original Haze from Santa Cruz and CG72 from somewhere in California too
They all have inbreeding depression big time, it is a disaster and not worth growing the progenies of it when incrossed
Why the California weed left as legacy is so degraded? Is it done on purpose so people cant "copy"?

3) Allow me to show you
I am finding plenty of mutations in the Ohz line. I have seen mutations coming up in the OT1Hz line in the seed made by the breeder, same in CG72
This is Mad Mac;s best girl of the Seedsman Hz x Ohz90 cross F2
This is a triploid, my most productive triploid. I have more triploids producing almost nothing, as someone else has commented, they are almost like growing wheat
They are asymmetrical
Triploid haze mm fem 1.jpeg
Triploid haze mm fem 1 (2).jpeg
Triploid haze mm fem 1 (3).jpeg
Triploid haze mm fem 1 (5).jpeg
Triploid haze mm fem 1 (6).jpeg

This is the "productive" triploid top shot MadMacs Seedsman Hz x Ohz90 F2
Triploid haze mm fem 1 top shot.jpeg

Oldtimer haze and Original Haze share the same PM on fan leaf problem which improves when outcrossed
Why so many mutations in the weed coming from California???

4)This is Mad Mac's same best girl as the triploid above crossed with CG72 male
Seedsman hz mm fem 1 x cg72 (4).jpeg
Seedsman hz mm fem 1 f2 top shot.jpeg

This is Seedsman Hz july pheno straight from the original pack crossed with the same CG72 male as the cross above from MadMac girl
Smoh fem 1 x cg72.jpeg
Smoh fem 1 x cg72 (2).jpeg

Why I am getting such sad productive results in the line coming from MadMac and why I am getting good decent vigour and meaty buds in the cross done from the Seedsman Hz pack, both with the same male???

5) I read you are a fan of the argentinian steakhouses.
I was very surprised to find in Amsterdam so many fake argentinian restaurants owned by turkish entrepeneurs who have no clue about argentinian steaks, they should be selling shish kebab and hummus
With ganja is the same. Why so much fake stuff in the canna world? I bought many strains called "Thai" something which have nothing to do with thai weed. It is like eating a supposed argentinian steak at those turkish restaurants, so dissapointing!!!
Why it cant be adopted in the canna world the same kind of branding as in the wine world? Like instead of calling something "Thai Stick", wouldnt it be better if we call it Nongkhai Highlands 2007 calling the strain after the terroir it was made and year of harvest???

Thank you very much for answers and have a nice week
 

herbgreen

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:smokeit:What do you think of zomia collective??

Its good for Thai strains from now on

That really sounds good :pimp3:
 

herbgreen

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Why I am getting such sad productive results in the line coming from MadMac and why I am getting good decent vigour and meaty buds in the cross done from the Seedsman Hz pack, both with the same male???
Mad mac original haze has 1/2 golli haze'90


Its a very skinny plant may have superior quality smoke...hope so

Its fairly unique and very lanky with a red stem

It may not be large yielder but then again those pics are from seed plants
 

MadMac

far beyond driven...
and about the OHz repro's ...
first... as documented... ;-)
Golli(8) + Seedsman(4) (JohnnyChicago) + his Metal(2) & Incense(1) selection
5 Golli males 1 Seedsman male

second...
Golli & Seedsman(JohnnyChicago)

third...
best Golli/Seedsman/Tom Hill Haze x best male (Golli) with resin and amazing vigor

selfed' first run
best Golli & Seedsman girl x best Golli & Seedsman + a few other testers

selfed' second run
S4 best 4 x best 4 (3 Golli & 1 Seedsman)

Fem’s 2020 reversed OHz 10, 15 & 16
1. Nepal Sativa
2. Crockets Haze
3. NL#5 x Oax ***
4. A5 Hz 2 x ***
5. Behound the brain
6. Satori
7. Mandala #1
8. Columbian Black ***
9. SMG x SMC ***
10. Tangie 2 x ***
11. Silver Bubble ***
12. Sk#1 triploid(SamS) 2 x ***
13. Bubba OHz
14. SMG x Ohz
15. OHz (best) ***

and a few more selfed experiments... male x male reversed ... but not tested yet..

to the OHz in general...
SamS said it before ICmag existed already...
OHz is breeding material and not for producing... it's highly inbreed and thus 2 from 10 are amazing if ...
Tom Hill said the same to his selection...
but the reversing show's that it's not all lost...
the results i'll saw so far are all amazing...
after seeing now i'll know now who makes what etc...
and for example bringing a Landrace in like ThaiStick or New Caledonia and than back cross to OHz male & also reversed...
gave me amazing results... with 99% haze feeling...
still have the Columbian Gold 72' ... so will do the same later with it...like staying pure columbian...
did also Punto Rojo x OHz ... but not the time to test yet...
to me there are lot's of possibilities to get the big bud's back... the power is still there
see the Doors/OHz x OHz or A5/OHz x OHzR4 (reversed best 4)
M:cool:
 

harvestreaper

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ok back centre 5 thunk finishin her mango laos seeds back right corner dorian doing same rest are todds haze 3 an 7 two of toms slow phenos and 4 madmacs oh plus a 5 thunk 90s haze 5 i intend to dust all with oh pollen
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mm original haze
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tom hill haze f2 fast pheno
 
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OntologicalTurn

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To my knowledge, not a single proof of cannabis cultivation or consumption has yet been found in pre-Columbian America. Has any been found or are still just opinions? I live in Mexico and I'm a lover of history, thanks.
Hello, I am also Mexican, and I live in Mexico. I have also tried to trace the origin of the Mexican landraces, and despite having studied a lot of pre-Columbian history, I have never heard of this supposed contact between India and Mesoamerica. I personally believe that Mexican lanroots, and many Caribbean, Central and South American varieties, are a mix of subtropical African sativas and Mediterranean hemp plants.

If I have keido for example that by 1600, it was common to see cannabis consumption in the pulquerias (pulque is a pre-Hispanic alcohol made from the fermentation of agave, which I personally like a lot and with an effect similar to cannabis) in Mexico City, where the Tlaxcalan and Mexica Indians, the African slaves and the poor Spanish "adventurers" gathered.

It was not uncommon for cannabis to be introduced among the population so quickly, considering the wide use of psychoactive plants in Mesoamerica, for medicinal, spiritual and recreational purposes, and considering the exchange of ethnobotanical knowledge that occurred between Africans and indigenous people in the shared context of colonial oppression. The Africans arrived with their seeds, for example the okra and other edible and medicinal plants, the indigenous for their part knew their ecosystems and plants (they had botanical gardens before the Spanish, for example)
 

OntologicalTurn

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well, I recently planted the hawaiian snow, I'm not a fan of greenhouse, because I didn't like the way they behaved with the local landraces producers, it seems to me that they seek to monopolize the landraces and that there should be a fair trade with the traditional peasants of the third world, it also seems to me that by introducing their hybrids into the biome they are basically doing what monsanto did here in mexico with native corn, as a way to Vanish the local strains in their place of origin, without taking into account that a minimum of indica in the subtropics makes the plants behave like autos many times (remember that we live in a photoperiod of approx 12/12 all year round) and the density invites botrytis in the long rainy seasons of these latitudes. there are good reasons why cannabis was adapted to its particular biomas, and most of the breeder industry focuses on the global north, and its climatic conditions. It's a bit screwed since most of humanity lives in the tropics and sub tropics. I don't care about the arjan vs shanti debate over ww, I don't care about strain names, and I'm against copyright, especially in living organisms, but I didn't like the strainhunters' treatment of local farmers.

I haven't tried the Hawaiian yet, but I'm growing it because they say it's a good variety. I perceive two different phenotypes, one with denser flowers, a little faster (equal to more than 10 weeks), dark pistils, but less production, and a longer one, less dense flowers, orange pistils, longer flowering, and both have a similar smell but less dense flowers and orange pistils, smells more. The smell (hopefully) I wouldn't describe as "roasted onion" like arjan says, but it smells good.
 

herbgreen

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Yeah, and anyone who has met Arjan or watched him talk for two mins knows how he is...Its True

All that said, I have to look @ that thing again

right after that Franco died suddenly because he went back to the Congo to help some people

I believe Arjan was probably in shock

Plus...Its his right to take his time and go through the seeds

You lose your best friend on a trip for seeds

Those seeds might not be the first thing you want to grow ...or even think about

Arjan has really good Arjan1 haze which is Nevilshaze and Laos I believe

He does not charge anything either 30$ for 5 fem seeds....

Hes Arjan....but you have to look @ the work

Some of it is decent!:tiphat:
 
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zaprjaques

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I hope its not way off topic but what about the building of the panama canal? In the 1880ies you had people from about 95 nations migrate there for work and some never went back. People from the carribbean, india, china, turkey, greece, spain. I wonder how that contributed to the meso and southamerican genepool.
 

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