well said, sac
Lol. Insulting those who do campaign for cannabis legalization because you're too lazy to do it? Its obvious that you're just trying to make excuses for your own lack of desire to really give a shit. That's cool. Just don't blame it on others who believe its possible and look for ways to make it happen.
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Thanks for the long reply. I got bored and skipped all the rhetoric.
This bit jumped out at me, and made it clear that you weren't responding to my post, you were responding to some fantasy post that whipped you up into a frenzy.
If you can't be bothered reading what you're replying to, I can't be arsed either.
Its fine if you can't think of anything to reply to me on topic and would rather skip reading what I said than face up to the challenge to your views. But don't accuse me of not reading your post.
If you want to challenge any of my views then go ahead. But if you want me to respond then I suggest you read what I've actually said and credit me with meaning what I say.
Those who want to slip recreational use under the legal radar by abusing a medical system are not helping. It damages the credibility of genuine medical users and reflects badly on all pot users.
The mental leap that the majority have to make to accept the legalisation of cannabis is exactly the same one that they have to make to see an end to drug prohibition across the board. As far as I can tell in the UK and across the rest of the Western world we are a very long way away from this happening.
Campaigning at the moment is a risk that I'm not prepared to take and neither are all the sane stoners that I know. To be honest I think that's what the overwhelming majority of users think. This just leaves centre stage for nieve adolescents, arts students and of course the batshit crazy army of plant worshippers who are guaranteed to turn any pro-cannabis event into the kind of freak show that makes people want to keep cannabis illegal.
A lot of damage is done within the community itself, because many people think that their way of cannabis is the only way. There are different ways of going about it and everybody understands that, but looking down on others is destructive and not productive. Yet we do this anyway.
If you look back you'll see that those of us who simply aren't up for campaigning still wouldn't go out marching even if everyone was dressed in a top hat and tails. It carries a risk with no chance of success at the moment anywhere in the Western world.I agree that there would be a better chance of legalization if paraders wore suits and whatnot, but the thing is is that this is no offence stoned fairytale.
The problem isn't me looking down on them. Yes I do think very negative things about white people with dreadlocks, tree huggers, truffers, plant worshippers and the whole bucket load of psuedo scientific bullshit that seems be part and parcel of people whose full time occupation is being stoned. But that's not the problem because I'm already completely against prohibition.I know that job security is an issue, but looking down at other stoners won't help us any - if you disagree with what they're doing, the only thing that will help you is showing that there are stoners who quite frankly are successful, normal looking people.
I'm in the UK dude, try to be a bit more inclusive.The issue is that there is no set social norm for dress in America anymore.
There's a huge body of literature on the nature of morality. I favour the perspective that we all create our own definitions of right and wrong etc. suffice it to say, simply because I think that something is right is what makes it right for me.You can't say that something (relevant to this issue) somebody does is wrong, simply because you don't think it is right.
Absolutely, but the asshole in the suit is much more likely to be able to engage people in a conversation. Can we drop the suit thing? Most people would see someone wearing a business suit to a protest march as a strong indicator of mental illness. I think key is to present as a relatively normal person, a functional member of society.Politeness is the key, because a polite hippy will leave a better impression than an asshole in a suit.
That's a more interesting question. In the UK I've noticed that there is a lot of tolerance for cannabis smokers. In most work places even the people who don't use cannabis probably have a good idea of who does. Everyone has been to parties or been with groups of friends has at least been around it. Recently our politicians from all three main parties were tripping over each other to confess to the press that they had used cannabis as kids.But the problem lies at its core: how do you convince people that they should accept a guy smoking a doob in his living room?
...Well, in America........
I agree with you there. The fact is that anyone who stays stoned all the time and doesn't have a serious illness will probably in most ways live up to the negative stereotype. But the vast majority of cannabis users use it sensibly like the vast majority of drinkers.the businessmen with respect and successful records would be able to prove that assumption wrong.
If someone wants to stick half a tonne of metalwork in their face and tattoo a cannabis leaf on their forehead, I have no problem with that. As long as they understand that they don't represent me or any of the vast majority of cannabis users.Bringing me back to my colorful hair and hippy reasoning, I don't think that them expressing their opinion is necessarily a bad thing;
I agree, at the moment we're getting a lot of very senior dudes in suits speaking up for cannabis and against prohibition generally. Senior politicians, police, scientists, medics and celebrities have all been stepping up over the last couple of years. They've mostly been slapped down and savaged by the right wing press, but they are managing to chip away at the bullshit slowly. The issue is being debated in the mainstream press. Protest marches by crusties don't help things at all.Therefore I think that we need dudes in suits and other professions to come out of the woodwork and begin to change the way that people view stoners.
If this were any other thread, I might agree with you in criticizing a view that depends on (what seems like) an intelligent design view. But this is a thread about how to resolve disparate personal views into an agreement about cannabis advocacy.
So I'm inclined to give HempKat a more charitable interpretation in this case, and not get hung up on whether or not he believes in something spiritual or intelligent design. It doesn't matter. The facts of the matter you've both acknowledged:
That by design or evolution, we have an endocannabinoid system which plays a role in our biochemistry. And whether by design or evolution we have a plant that acts on this cannabinoid system in such a beautiful way so as to have profound beneficial uses in regulating human biochemistry.
Why not just drop the debate over whether it was "designed" this way or whether its just a happy coincidence (again, given the topic of the thread)?
Let me make it clear that I'm not saying it's intelligent design.
I think that people that get a medical card & are just using the system to recreationally use it is going to F**K it up for people that really need it!
Just like all the people that got oxycontin F**KED it up for patients that truly needed it, some places you can't get it prescribed to you even if you really need it!
I personally didn't think you were, but it seemed clear that El Toker did, and that he didn't want to agree with you on the important points because you left it open to an interpretation involving the spiritual.
Maybe us recreational users could instead start using all the toxic substances you mention, leaving medical users un-F**KED?
Stereotypes?
Maybe us recreational users could instead start using all the toxic substances you mention, leaving medical users Un-F**KED?
Stereotypes?
criminals VS them...know what side i'm advocating...even though i been stereotyped...
I agree that there would be a better chance of legalization if paraders wore suits and whatnot, but the thing is is that this is no offence stoned fairytale.
I don't know what field you work in, but this is wrong. In the business world there are social norms for work and play. As stupid as you may think they are, these are the people we need to vote YES on legalization so understanding their point of view and life is pretty important IMO.The issue is that there is no set social norm for dress in America anymore.
Eh..... Hippies are polite and suits are assholes? I don't know about all that.Politeness is the key, because a polite hippy will leave a better impression than an asshole in a suit.
That's whole point. I believe, as most probably do on this site, that weed is weed and there shouldn't be any difference in "medicinal" or "recreational". That's a bunch of bullshit. But in mainstream America the media presents it as being different. So in the minds of most of the lemmings there is a difference. And when you poll them they support legalizing for medicinal by a great majority, but not so much for "recreational" use.Therefore I think that we need dudes in suits and other professions to come out of the woodwork and begin to change the way that people view stoners.
I guess you guys had to get off the internet to go smoke some good bud that you got with a med card! While I can't get anything in a non-med state!!!!!!! Enjoy!