Fuck yeah!! I maintain a 6000 sq ft greenhouse now....you betcha if I had 60,000 sq ft....and the means to run it...I could do the same thing--
Fuck yeah!! I maintain a 6000 sq ft greenhouse now....you betcha if I had 60,000 sq ft....and the means to run it...I could do the same thing--
Thomkal Vwalaa
Member
just like crappy big farmed herb, we send the crap big farmed produce out of state...
The drive thru Salinas valley sickens me physically. That is where your CA produce comes from.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Salinas_Valley
Mine comes from the hill, fed with spring water, on a biodynamic ranch.
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THE PABLOS
....Wonder how it will look when the patents are applied? You know when the lobby folks and lawyers isolate their products legally with a name and ownership? You think DJ Short gets recognized for the Blue lines or Sam for Skunk#1?
Do you guys acknowledge the concession of the home grower? What do you think? Would you not agree that the "gray" area of a Medical status is better than out and out sacrifice to having Marijuana the plant further diced up by legalities....better for spirit and freedoms?
Sure large scale quality Mota can be grown outdoors and in greenhouses. Indoor is not an option on a large scale (like we would be talking)......but will it be?
If the masses are happy buying piss poor life substance like food....or drinking water that has so many additives in it that the majority of fish in America's reservoirs are becoming more and more feminized....why would the farms have to produce quality products? The consumer does not demand quality....the consumer demands a cheap deal. That is the program we are trained in.
What do you say when this becomes reality? Do you start up your illegal gardens again and incur all those cost?....or do you put your heads back down and eat out of the trough in front of you? Nothing gained....nothing changes....back to square one but with less cause....another wall goes up.
I'm not worried about the plant surviving....it will pull through....perhaps not in its present make up.....but that is always changing anyway.
I am concerned about our continued insistence that we need to control everything on Earth....and that peeps are more than willing to bend over to be kept from bending over...instead of standing up and calling bullshit.
Do you guys acknowledge the concession of the home grower? What do you think? Would you not agree that the "gray" area of a Medical status is better than out and out sacrifice to having Marijuana the plant further diced up by legalities....better for spirit and freedoms?
Sure large scale quality Mota can be grown outdoors and in greenhouses. Indoor is not an option on a large scale (like we would be talking)......but will it be?
If the masses are happy buying piss poor life substance like food....or drinking water that has so many additives in it that the majority of fish in America's reservoirs are becoming more and more feminized....why would the farms have to produce quality products? The consumer does not demand quality....the consumer demands a cheap deal. That is the program we are trained in.
What do you say when this becomes reality? Do you start up your illegal gardens again and incur all those cost?....or do you put your heads back down and eat out of the trough in front of you? Nothing gained....nothing changes....back to square one but with less cause....another wall goes up.
I'm not worried about the plant surviving....it will pull through....perhaps not in its present make up.....but that is always changing anyway.
I am concerned about our continued insistence that we need to control everything on Earth....and that peeps are more than willing to bend over to be kept from bending over...instead of standing up and calling bullshit.
I think the Prop 19 discussion already answered that question. Seems 99% of the people are willing to sell their souls, so they can have their LEGAL micro-cab in California...'Cept they don't live in California.
Our society has really become infected.
Nothing like the "apathy of affluence" to challange core American values.
So continue to stuff your face with McNuggets, shod your feet with air jordans and all your other material shit. Continue to ignore the considerable costs associated with those products. I just want to know how the weather is on your pedestal?
Continue to tell Cali how to wage their war, I am sure you (not Pablos) know a lot more about it than the ones who have been fighting it since before you were born.
Thomkal Vwalaa
Member
Small Farms Win Every Time
Small Farms Win Every Time
The Multiple Functions and Benefits of Small Farm Agriculture in the Context of Global Trade Negotiations
Author: Rosset P.1
Source: Development, Volume 43, Number 2, June 2000 , pp. 77-82(6)
Publisher: Palgrave Macmillan
Small Farms Win Every Time
The Multiple Functions and Benefits of Small Farm Agriculture in the Context of Global Trade Negotiations
Author: Rosset P.1
Source: Development, Volume 43, Number 2, June 2000 , pp. 77-82(6)
Publisher: Palgrave Macmillan
http://www.foodfirst.org/node/246
my personal feelings about it. NY is way to close to Washington D.C..... but Rod Island made it legal for medical, and thats right next door to N.Y.
ya F, suger coating
and discussions are for adults PFfff hehehehe.sorry it took me so long to respond to this thread
Well if you think NY will be exporting shit to Cali, then you're as fucked as your lawmakers.
That is a great FEAR argument... But maybe you can EDUCATE your people, instead of trying to DIRECT others.
swing and a miss...
i think there was a com. error twixt you and JJ but it looks as if you misunderstood
I didn't say anything about NY exp to Cali. I said the Cali med weed is coming to the East Coast...
I thought DC had Medical--
Sup bro, haven't seen ya around much lately-- Always a pleasure--
well if DC has medical, then shit i missed something haha.
Ny, NY is what made America legendary to across the pond, and the Governors they have had, have not wanted to commit Suicide on their political careers.
Thanks bud, glad to be back! i should be around more now adays with i hope some soon to be grow pics
SCF
For all the folks that don't believe that the highest quality Cannabis can be produced by the ton, even if all efforts are focused on quality by the large commercial grower.
I ask you what is the limit a single person can produce that will be of the very highest quality? Can a couple do twice that? Can a family do even more? What about co-operatives that share clones, growing methods, etc?
What is the limit that the very highest quality Cannabis can be produced? 1 LB, 10LB, 100LB? Per week, month, year?
I understand that some folks don't like or want big agriculture, organic or not, to grow their food or Cannabis, but what percentage of the total food consumed in America is not produced by big agriculture? Less the 5% is my guess.
Now don't get me wrong, I have fought big biz take over of agriculture and the seed and food biz for 40 years+. I grow a lot of my own food organically and bio-dynamically, and have for years. But that is not how mainstream America works, they want cheap food, that is their main worry. As for non Americans, or the people that are not getting enough to eat, for sure they do not care, they just want to be sure they eat.
I want Cannabis to be mainstream, not special in any way, why should it be?
Normalize it like all other American products.
-SamS
I ask you what is the limit a single person can produce that will be of the very highest quality? Can a couple do twice that? Can a family do even more? What about co-operatives that share clones, growing methods, etc?
What is the limit that the very highest quality Cannabis can be produced? 1 LB, 10LB, 100LB? Per week, month, year?
I understand that some folks don't like or want big agriculture, organic or not, to grow their food or Cannabis, but what percentage of the total food consumed in America is not produced by big agriculture? Less the 5% is my guess.
Now don't get me wrong, I have fought big biz take over of agriculture and the seed and food biz for 40 years+. I grow a lot of my own food organically and bio-dynamically, and have for years. But that is not how mainstream America works, they want cheap food, that is their main worry. As for non Americans, or the people that are not getting enough to eat, for sure they do not care, they just want to be sure they eat.
I want Cannabis to be mainstream, not special in any way, why should it be?
Normalize it like all other American products.
-SamS
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rick shaw
Yes,marijuana from California's medical growers and dispensaries is getting into peoples hands that don't have a medical recommendation. This is called the law of unintended consequences,should we shut down the entire program because a small amount of dorks.No,you adjust and modify rules and regulations to control the problem. The problem does not outweigh the benefits of a medical program.The same with a recreational marijuana program. It's benefits will far outweigh the negative aspects.
you know how many kids i hear about buying 25's and 80's oxycontine, down at the park (pure heroin sold in our pharmacies for as cheap as 5 dollars a 30 day supply and the fine job of major physical addiction, that after a 30 day use of this stuff, will create diarrhea, vomiting, major insomnia, anorexia... etc)
where 30 days of herb (About 1 to 2 ounces of FINE quality for me) cost around 500 dollars......maybe 400 if im lucky! Some good laughs, and major EATING disorder ( cant stop eating) and sleeping
but thank god for kind people who give you your meds for free.....
Medical marijuana has saved my life, and opened my mind to a new culture, that our government, would consider CULT like.... people like... US
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most people dont have the means to grow their own food. the ouse i was in had a decent sized yard, but then went in a basketball court and a pool ... and so on and so on. not to mention i just dont have the time or care to grow my own food. i have a few fruit trees on the back hill, but im damn scared to eat whatever it is that grows. i goto the store and all the food taste pretty damn good to me. i dont keep up with all the heres and theres of agriculture. but im kinda getting tired of everyone acting as if the food in the stores is diseased and rotten and bad for you. maybe i just am not educated in that department, or maybe i just dont care to be. i buy it, i eat it, hunger goes away, and i continue living another day. if there is something in this equation i am missing i have yet to comprehend it....all this talk of strictly organic and biodynamic food just makes me think of all the people living in teepees and tents around eddy lepps house who also tried to tell me of the life energy forces of trees and rocks and dirt. maybe i just havent eaten enough lsd to get on that level....
I guess my question is...
What are you (or the general public) fearful of in NY that Cali has done?
Should MMJ just be for the chair-bound and kemo'd?
People take DRUGS for appetite enhancement. MMJ seems to do that too, I wouldn't know myself as I always stuff my face full. Can't help it, it was that time in Ethiopia that did it to me.
See, you can point fingers at Cali all you want. But truth is, one is always pointing back at you.
What are you (or the general public) fearful of in NY that Cali has done?
Should MMJ just be for the chair-bound and kemo'd?
People take DRUGS for appetite enhancement. MMJ seems to do that too, I wouldn't know myself as I always stuff my face full. Can't help it, it was that time in Ethiopia that did it to me.
See, you can point fingers at Cali all you want. But truth is, one is always pointing back at you.
I dont think there is anything wrong with it. CA's mmj system is more like a blanket legalization. As long as you aren't a dumbass there is a pretty good chance you wont ever get arrested for MJ and if you do, the courts are very leniant since the prisons are overfilled and the state is in an economic disaster.
Politicians are the ones who point their finger at CA and its abused system as for reason why they shouldn't implement medical in their state, and it is because of the abused system that some states have adopted far stricter rules.
I dont think any mj user is looking at CA and wishing that other states would adopt stricter rules, MMJ in CA was just an easy jumping off point for politicians who would like to have marijuana legal, but still be able to shake their finger at the "drug users" while still maintaining a rather lax stance on the issue. They simply have found a way to have their cake and eat it too.
But really how long can this maintain? A system in which marijuana is pretty much legal, yet its not. Sooner or later legalization will be implemented, and it will be taxed, regulated and licensed. The sooner people accept that, the sooner we can move on and work together to make it a system that will benefit us all, from the consumer, to the producer, to the distributors and everyone inbetween.
-BhT out...
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rick shaw
BHT is correct. How much of the reservations that people are using actual or general complaints. IMO most of the complainers just don't want marijuana in any shape or form and will grab the excuse du jour.
See the thing is, it's not what JJ thinks, or me, or east coast people, or anyone on ic. It's the general "voting" public. Cali has clearly run that place into some crazy weed heaven. While I like that, not everyone else does. The obvious flaunting of the laws that many in cali hide behind and laugh about to themselves is PRECISELY why no law with anywhere near as lax growing laws will be set up anywhere else. Especially if those roll backs i've been reading about in the "medical is done in CA" thread are true, it seems the backlash has finally worked its way into ca itself. the fact that medical is a joke in cali is what is making lawmakers elsewhere weary of a med program.
