2012 Legalization Effort Starts

[Thomkal Vwalaa]

Close issue, one group(growers/dispensaries owners, and their customers) had the numbers and influence to swing it just enough in either direction, pass/fail, they choose to make it fail.

Simply not true, please cite. My data supports 19's failing is due to repbulican turnout. The percentage of "us" that voted no was too small to make a difference... this time around.

Are you going to say that there wasn't one BS article after another that spread complete lies about 19?
Dragonfly, etc....

And Reverend Cracksmoker, but still, it was the other groups that killed 19, not growers or smokers.

 

[ddrew]

you guys just dont realize how much the local economy relies on the marijuana market. once big pharma takes that away and centralizes the profits you are gonna see another recession happen all across nothern california....

Right in the center of your big rambling post about how you had nothing to do with it, was the truth.

You were afraid you were going to lose your money

It doesn't matter that people across the country are going to jail everyday over this, oh no, you can't help them if means you might actually have to get off your ass and supplement the easy income you have now from growing, and that is a bullshit reason to hang the rest of us over.

The rest of that post was just noise, it was about the money, your money.

 

[Yes4Prop215]

haha did you read the previous post where i said I DONT GROW FOR PROFIT. ddrew you are just trying to start shit be honest. i make plenty of money in other areas, and honestly i would probably make more money if it got legalized because the mail would get spammed with 10 packs every week to a different state.

and my big rambling post had a bunch of shit in there to show why you little view that it was only growers/dealers is WRONG...maybe you should read it and learn something new.

Close issue, one group(growers/dispensaries owners, and their customers) had the numbers and influence to swing it just enough in either direction, pass/fail, they choose to make it fail.

WRONG WRONG WRONG....are you gonna keep hammering at this issue drew its a lost cause. you are WRONG...the numbers proved it.

do you even live in california? do you think everyone out here is somepot smoking grower? theres plenty of teabaggers, non smokers, and conservatives out here to swing the vote. and teh 2010 election was a battleground that made every single right wing or conservative in calfornia come out and vote, whereas most democrats didnt leave the house because they figured "this is california we got it"....keep hammering at a false point and act like you know everything...you are wrong my friend.

 

[Thomkal Vwalaa]

have to agree to disagree..
i dont view complacency/stagnation as neutral. it is negative.

Your view on complacency is dangerous and impatient. Moving for the sake of movement is wasted energy.

 

[dagnabit]

Simply not true, please cite. My data supports 19's failing is due to repbulican turnout. The percentage of "us" that voted no was too small to make a difference... this time around..

while i dont agree...
i think drew's point was the turnout would have been there had the propaganda not been so loud from certain portions of the community.
i think given the stirred up nature of the pseudo conservative republicrats the propaganda made little difference.

 

[dagnabit]

Your view on complacency is dangerous and impatient. Moving for the sake of movement is wasted energy.

complacency is the mvp of the other team...

 

[Thomkal Vwalaa]

It doesn't matter that people across the country are going to jail everyday over this

Let's take a quick second to show the giant assumptions you have made to say this.

You assume if 19 had passed it would have held up in court. You assume this would affect other states, because you assume 19 will hold up. Then you assume arrest will decrease because you have assumed 19 will hold in court, on top of the assumption that it will spread to other states.

Seems to me you and your buddies need to push for MMj laws wherever you are, and stop hoping and wishing that CA will lead you there. Calling us names won't help either. Yes, there are many who will never vote for legalization. A stubborn old man I know said it like this "I grow because it is illegal".

Medical marijuana is a real goal, and should be your focus. Every sick person in America should have access to quality marijuana and concentrates. Be it via state-by-state legislation or federal rescheduliing. Recreational and commercial cannabis... that is another story altogether and is a much less compassionate issue. IMO it is not worthy of attention compared to MMj. It's funny to see how upset everyone gets about the lack of recreational and commercial cannabis in CA when many other states refuse access to sick people. Priorities need readjusting. America needs medical marijuana, commercial/recreational need to wait their turns. All in due time friends.

 

[mean mr.mustard]

We shouldn't rush to anything.... we'll miss points that should matter.

Such as slipping a hemp clause under our noses... or making warehouse weed the only legitimate cannabis.

Rushing legislation is one of my biggest fears.

It concerns me more that people are adamant about voting in ANYTHING as soon as we can.

If I were a bill writer I'd start seeing dollar signs. Earmarking riders should be all over this bill if we make it look like we HAVE to pass ANYTHING as long as it resembles legalization.

 

[Yes4Prop215]

haha more people will probably end up in jail if 19 passes because theres gonna be a ton of people getting into the federally illegal import/export business. shit its already happening lol...just wait until packs are only 1k a pop here in california for the good shit...you are gonna see tons of people bring that into their illegal states.


and state wide legalization is a waste....you legal eagles should be fighting for federal decriminalization that would give you want you want, your precious (keep people out of dark dirty jail cells), and still keep the market unregulated and for the greedy people like me to make our millions of the sick and oppressed medical patient lmao...

It concerns me more that people are adamant about voting in ANYTHING as soon as we can.

If I were a bill writer I'd start seeing dollar signs. Earmarking riders should be all over this bill if we make it look like we HAVE to pass ANYTHING as long as it resembles legalization.

EXACTLY...OMG ITS LEGAL LETS VOTE FOR IT..WHO CARES ABOUT THE FINE PRINT ITS LEGAL OMFG VOTE YES VOTE YES VOTE YES!!

 

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[mean mr.mustard]

I love lamp.... I mean hemp

 

[ddrew]

while i dont agree...
i think drew's point was the turnout would have been there had the propaganda not been so loud from certain portions of the community.
.

Exactly, I'm glad someone understood what I was trying to say.

This is a pointless discussion, and I'm bowing out before anymore animosity is created by what I say in it.


Have a good day guys

 

[dagnabit]

the bullshit line that none of the supporters of 19 read it,or would vote for anything is as tiresome as the bullshit that every no voter is rolling in hundred dollar bills...
most of us read it multiple times and realized the benefits outweigh the detractors.

 

[Rednick]

Well I think this will be my final post.
Dagnabit, you would get creamed in a high school debate...
You offer no stats, no logic and base all arguments soley on emotion. I am begining to think you are in high school.

Yep, we caused 19 to fail.

And no one needs to be spreading these rumors about big-biz getting involved. They won't risk it with it being a Schedule I narcotic. They would have to have ties with the government, proper permits, lawyers, ect. A 10 billion dollar a year company isn't going to be able to afford that.
http://www.gwpharm.com/our-partners.aspx
A little way down on page 2
http://www.otsuka.co.jp/en/research/pipeline/pdf/pipeline_en_101112.pdf
They have only three development phases.

Dagnabit I see something in your future, it's called, it's called....
A Welfare check.

If you don't pass medical in your own state and iron out YOUR kinks in the laws before Fed rescheduling, well, you're all going be fucked. But since you just care about cheap meds, you'll be able to get plenty of Sativex at Walgreens or Wal-Mart...As long as your health insurance covers it. You think weed is expensive now, just you wait till the Pharma monopoly takes it over.
But enough fear mongering on my part.

I shall bow out by reiterating these two points:
1)Most of the 'Cali' growers are transplants, yes even from out east.
2)Passing bad legislation does nothing to promote the cause. It sets precedence, hence many of the people fighting this war on the frontlines in Cali were against 19. Because it was just bad/self-serving legislation...I know there is no way to convince some people of that, but those in the know, know.

JJ, we're just going to have to agree to disagree.

 

[mean mr.mustard]

Passing bad legislation does nothing to promote the cause. It sets precedence, hence many of the people fighting this war on the frontlines in Cali were against 19. Because it was just bad/self-serving legislation...I know there is no way to convince some people of that, but those in the know, know.

 

[Rednick]

IMO the non-MMj states need to push for MMj legislation, and stop worrying about CA. As more states accept MMj as real medicine, the fed will have to reschedule. This will allow to bring forth the cannabis legislation that we all so desire, without the backlash or complete domination from big biz..

 

[Yes4Prop215]

Exactly, I'm glad someone understood what I was trying to say.

This is a pointless discussion, and I'm bowing out before anymore animosity is created by what I say in it.


Have a good day guys

no you were trying to say we were the SOLE reason it got shot down. the numbers done lie....growers maybe would have made a 1 or 2 percent difference in the margin...instead it was much higher. blame the right wing not the growers.....blame liberals for being such failures in office that it made americans so angry that they had to get into the voting booth to try to stop Boxer and Pelosi's progressive socialist conquest....BLAME THAT...the growing community was just a small portion of this war.

 

[JJScorpio]

The jabbing wasn't meant at you. It was in regards to the hundreds of pages in the 19 thread and this one where people are just trying to insult one another....

You said you read the Prop 19 thread repeatedly.

You should know by now where I stand... although others (and their assumptions) have placed me far from those points.

Hemp shouldn't be defined as a drug and put under the same taxation as drug cannabis.

People should be let out of prison for offenses covered by the new bill.

I don't know what was "jabbing" about my posts... please enlighten me.

The fact of the matter really comes down to me stating that it isn't simply greed that urged people to vote no.... and that was totally disregarded.

 

[mean mr.mustard]

I too hope everyone can play nice.

It's a shame to see us in shambles over something that's been on every smoker's mind since they inhaled.

 

[JJScorpio]

19 was perfect for the home grower. Grow legally, store as much as you want that was grown at your home and be able to carry a Z with you. How much better for the "home grower" could it get?

I saw there bill as "anti small commercial grower"....

Lee and Soros in particular are anti-home grower. There is no arguing this fact. So having legislation drafted/funded by them is obviously something we worry about.

So, to answer your question. I am waiting for the federal rescheduling of cannabis. This can/will happen. IMO the non-MMj states need to push for MMj legislation, and stop worrying about CA. As more states accept MMj as real medicine, the fed will have to reschedule. This will allow to bring forth the cannabis legislation that we all so desire, without the backlash or complete domination from big biz.

As I have said before. The current set up in CA is the only occasion that I know of where small farmers are favored so heavily. I'm not saying that its perfect, but unique. And something I can support as an anti-corporate american.