Anyone else seen this yet (Oil in canned butane)

[Hashmasta-Kut]

do you use absolutes HMK, or you dabbing straight well purged bho?

i have never used absolutes. as i understand it, flavor aka terpenes are lost when doing the process, and that seems undesireable.

m314, i am sure there is info on this forum, i would search around, should find quite a bit to help you on the road to using hexane.

 

[CarefulGrower]

https://www.facebook.com/groups/428958070547622/?hc_location=stream

It's a new FB group that's trying to be a bit more scientific about the whole thing.
Please post any data or information that may contribute there please.

Then he should go get a lab analysis.

Until then we'll have to wait on Greywolf's findings, as he sent it to an outside lab (aside from his own source) for GC/MS analysis.

 

[hobb3s93]

really sucks ethanol doesnt get rid of this stuff.

i love bho but dont doubt any of this is true .


can any one be more specific about what one would need to purify canned butane?

 

[G.O. Joe]

can any one be more specific about what one would need to purify canned butane?

An expensive toy (but SO awesome to use) to consider would be a used rotavap with a dry ice condenser. Everyone should recycle their butane and at some point it becomes profitable with a $400-4000 up front cost + dry ice.

 

[vapor]

i have never used absolutes. as i understand it, flavor aka terpenes are lost when doing the process, and that seems undesireable.

"A cured material QWET absolute is one of the most aromatic and tasty of the extraction methods and consistently gets high raves from the volunteer test panels, as well as the patients and students. Both from an efficacy, as well as a flavor standpoint."
http://skunkpharmresearch.com/qwet-extraction/

wolf howls.....

 

[susantidad]

Hello,

Thanks for all the info.

About flavours from graywolf too, https://www.icmag.com/ic/showthread.php?p=4154705#post4154705

Regards.

 

[Gray Wolf]

most people who just vaporize BHO breathe much better than those smoking stuff.

Smoking makes the COPD that I got from smoking flowers worse fast, while vaporizing winterized oil clears away and reduces the congestion.

I will reserve judgement on the probable effects of the Mystery Oil, until I know what aromatics are included, but as far as the "linear hydrocarbon chains" thus far found, they are simple saturated Alkanes like butane, only a longer chain and no more toxic.

In addition, though I haven't tested all the brands, the levels of the mystery oil in Lucienne was below the levels they state, so I'm not concerned about those components.

Some of the possible aromatics are of enough concern that I unequivocally want them identified, but I continue to use sublingual oil extracted using BHO and to vaporize BHO until I find out.

I can tell you that vaporizing any quantity of un-winterized oil, does leave me with compromised breathing capabilities until I have hacked up the plant waxes coating my lungs, so I suspect that oleaginous alkane waxes from butane would have the same effect.

 

[SkyHighLer]

Butane fuel, as low as $1.25/~8oz!

I received yesterday three cans of Iwatani, and four cans of Gasone butane stove fuel from Amazon. To my nose neither seems to contain mercaptan, so couldn't it be used to load a pumping recycler (since the recycler can burp off the lower boiling point gasses, and then pull off the butane to the storage tank, leaving the residue behind in the recovery vessel.)
From David at Tamisium,
"As a matter of personal observation, I have never seen any butane with any Mercaptans added. This includes disposable canisters and commercial size tanks." http://www.tamisiumextractors.com/index.php/q-a/faq

The mercaptan used in butane and propane is ethanethiol,
"Ethanethiol has a strongly disagreeable odor that humans can detect in minute concentrations. The threshold for human detection is as low as one part in 2.8 billion parts of air. Its odor resembles that of leeks, onions or cooked cabbage, but is quite distinct. Ethanethiol is intentionally added to butane and propane (see: LPG) to impart an easily noticed smell to these normally odorless fuels that pose the threat of fire, explosion, and asphyxiation." http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ethanethiol

From the Iwatani MSDS,

Ethane 0.62929%
Propane 2.68897%
n-Butane 64.00380%
Iso-Butane 32.67794%

http://www.iwatani.com/pdf/BU-6_MSDS_Eg.pdf

"Composition:
Commercially sold butane fuel is comprised primarily of n-butane (68.59 percent), isobutene (29.39 percent) propane (1.48 percent) and nitrogen (0.55 percent)."

http://www.ehow.com/about_6496032_butane-fuel_.html

I shot a can of each into a couple of Mason jars and placed the jars on a low temperature heat mat for boil off. Both had less residual odor than Vector, and no innertube smell at all! The fog and 'smutz' at the bottom of the jar was no more, and seemed less, than with Vector. The Gasone can says on the back panel "odorant added." ???

From a review at Amazon,
"... when I saw all of the reviews about the canisters in local asian markets. THANK YOU! My husband just went and found TONS of them on the shelf at the local Korean Korner store. $5 for a 4 pack and no shipping."
http://www.amazon.com/Gasone-Butane-Fuel-Canister-4pack/dp/B000JORB2M/ref=pd_sbs_sg_2

The Iwatani smelled sweeter imo, both had low can pressure indicating low levels of propane, and seemed to boil off at exactly the same speed and temperatures. I ordered twelve more cans of Iwatani...

Am I actually the first to check out butane stove fuel?

Pictures of the bottom of a clean jar > the Vector residue > the Iwatani residue > the Gasone residue

 

[Hashmasta-Kut]

"A cured material QWET absolute is one of the most aromatic and tasty of the extraction methods and consistently gets high raves from the volunteer test panels, as well as the patients and students. Both from an efficacy, as well as a flavor standpoint."
http://skunkpharmresearch.com/qwet-extraction/

wolf howls.....

what is the wolf howls?

maybe i didnt understand what an absolute is. i guess my question now is, if this is superior, how come graywolf doesnt seem to advocate and use ethanol instead of butane?

 

[vapor]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=937A1ELVyUs
he is calling in the wolf pack for a session!
I am assuming absolutes are ethanol?
love to hear the wolfs answer, why he uses butane and ethanol.
Imo he is trying to get the best of both worlds. There are some real good qualities to butane{very simple compared to other plant extraction i have done}, for cannabis. But the mystery oil has me wondering, if i need to be getting me a closed loop system, or just stick with the ethanol thin films. I don't make huge batches of straight ethanol{make my own} oil, well i do{pickle jars worth, 4L} it just gets finished in the chamber in smaller portions/films{turns out better imo}. The wolf does use ethanol to winterize the end process. If you are not winterizing you have butane/fats/waxes left in your end product. Now mystery oil too lol
I have asthma, not horrid but enough i have to use a puffer a couple times a week or so,unflushed flowers harsh my lungs big time, flushed well not too bad. Was worse when i was younger and smoked more flowers on the rug. I find BHO is very harsh on my lungs,I have spent years smoking BHO from when it first started on the scene and whipping was all the rage{met you at reefer ranch one year you had sweetskunk oil first time i used a tai pad}. Things sure have changed! I have friends that laugh at me and wonder why they can take massive bho hits,and me not so much{unless it is sublimate or ethanol thin films} so i see the lung variance. For me when i use butane and winterize in ethanol there is a big difference in the way my lungs feel after a hit. Folks who have primo lung function may not experience this so to each a zone. My best oil hits are from the sublimator pure{sublimate no solvent} with ethanol thin film oils a close second. But that's just me ! once and awhile,i go to vansterdam, and when ever me younger friends talk BHO hashmaster-kut comes up, so you are respected. I think grey wolf has made understanding butane very easy for the masses and much thanks he took years off my learning curve.
I vape weed all day{sublimator rocks} and my lungs are much better then when i smoked bho and herbs. The big one with bho for me, one year i came back from spending a couple months in vansterdam, It was a huge BHO session most daze. When i went to do the 130mins straight up hike to one of my outdoor gardens, my lungs hurt in a way i have never felt before. Since then i have been working/learning towards where i am...

 

[m314]

what is the wolf howls?

maybe i didnt understand what an absolute is. i guess my question now is, if this is superior, how come graywolf doesnt seem to advocate and use ethanol instead of butane?

QWET extractions can have a nice flavor. Butane gets you a better yield, though, and well purged BHO tastes better than QWET oil to me.

An absolute is where you extract with butane and winterize with ethanol. It does take away some of the flavor, but it makes it much smoother. I haven't decided yet if I'm going to winterize my latest batches.

 

[KonradZuse]

The thing is, they said this oil is completely removed while using a "Closed loop system."


It seems that once you go to recover the tane all of the crap is left out. I would try running it dry a few times and see how the test goes.

Gray Wolf, would you be able to perform a test like that? I don't know how many cans it would take to get some sort of yield, remove it, and see if anything else comes through the second time?

 

[SkyHighLer]

The thing is, they said this oil is completely removed while using a "Closed loop system."


It seems that once you go to recover the tane all of the crap is left out. I would try running it dry a few times and see how the test goes.

Gray Wolf, would you be able to perform a test like that? I don't know how many cans it would take to get some sort of yield, remove it, and see if anything else comes through the second time?

I just reread this statement by David at Tamisium,
"LP5 Tank Cylinder - WITH LIQUID SIPHON PREFILLED WITH 99%, 99.5% or 99.9% PURE N-BUTANE. Mercaptan Free 99% is more than pure enough and will purify more as you use it." http://www.tamisiumextractors.com/index.php/obtaining-butane

He's on record saying his closed loop system cleans up the butane.

Also, that same Tamisium webpage mentions butane prices...
22 pounds of 99.0% n-butane for $150 on up...
22 pounds of 99.5% n-butane for $200 on up...
22 pounds of 99.9% n-butane for $750 on up...


How about,
22 pounds of 97-98% n-butane/i-butane for $55...

That's canned butane fuel at $1.25 per 8oz can, which should clean up in a closed loop system just like the bulk butane.

 

[Sam_Skunkman]

Funny it is hash that is best for me, but I am smoking very clean hash. As for no coughing with BHO, you must be smoking different BHO, it makes most people cough like shit if they take a big hit like the pipes you heat first make you do. I guess you could take a tiny hit but seems few do...
I see people rolling on the floor, coughing in spasms with BHO.
-Sams

ya well its different for everyone i guess. i can attest that me and my dad, and about 5 friends who all switched over in about 2005, all have much happier lungs than when we used to smoke herb and hash. the difference is actually amazing. if i wanted to smoke a lot of hash, back in the day, i would get more and more congested, so much that if i tried to take another toke, i would erupt in spasms of coughing before i could take the hit. now, i can intake way more concentrates, as in, all day every day, and there is virtually no coughing, and no phlegm buildup.

 

[Sam_Skunkman]

As for the oil contaminate if you recycle the BHO it is not a problem, but for all the folks that do not make their own it is buyer beware...
I am glad someone is trying to understand the problem so it can be avoided.
-SamS

 

[Hashmasta-Kut]

thanks for caring

actually, ya i can take really big tokes of the oil off the pad, and its not something that makes me cough much if at all. i often do hits around .1 grams no problems. i think the people who seem to cough the worst, are those who smoke a lot, of either herb, or even worse, tobacco; those people cough very easily off a small dab.

 

[m314]

Funny it is hash that is best for me, but I am smoking very clean hash. As for no coughing with BHO, you must be smoking different BHO, it makes most people cough like shit if they take a big hit like the pipes you heat first make you do. I guess you could take a tiny hit but seems few do...
I see people rolling on the floor, coughing in spasms with BHO.
-Sams

I can take massive hits of my winterized BHO without even wanting to cough. It doesn't have the flavor of good dry sift, though. I've never tried dry sift hash as pure as the stuff you've posted pictures of.

 

[Gray Wolf]

what is the wolf howls?

maybe i didnt understand what an absolute is. i guess my question now is, if this is superior, how come graywolf doesnt seem to advocate and use ethanol instead of butane?

I consider an Absolute a non polar extraction like butane or hexane, which is subsequently redissolved in a polar solvent like ethanol and sub zeroed prior to filtering out the plant waxes.

My QWET is not an Absolute, but QWET doesn't extract all that many non-polar plant waxes in the first place.

QWET makes a damn fine extraction, but isn't nearly as fast or cheap as a butane extraction with a recycler.

Butane also produces a damn fine extraction, so the difference in speed and cost win the day unless I specifically want a QWET.

These days I stay really busy, so the only QWET I make is in class, to teach others how. If I couldn't get butane, it would be my next choice.

 

[Gray Wolf]

The thing is, they said this oil is completely removed while using a "Closed loop system."


It seems that once you go to recover the tane all of the crap is left out. I would try running it dry a few times and see how the test goes.

Gray Wolf, would you be able to perform a test like that? I don't know how many cans it would take to get some sort of yield, remove it, and see if anything else comes through the second time?

Yeah, I will run a second fractional distillation next week. I didn't the first time, because students with Mk IIIA's had already reported having done so and that there was no residuals the second time around.

 

[CarefulGrower]

Funny it is hash that is best for me, but I am smoking very clean hash. As for no coughing with BHO, you must be smoking different BHO, it makes most people cough like shit if they take a big hit like the pipes you heat first make you do. I guess you could take a tiny hit but seems few do...
I see people rolling on the floor, coughing in spasms with BHO.
-Sams

For regular dabbers (who usually avoid smoking flower), there is no coughing. And this is with my regular .1-.2 sized dabs, made from full nugs. As well as the few others I dab with.

Just like dry sift and bubblehash, a big hit off a pipe will leave anyone with a lower tolerance, sensitive (or small) lungs, or is use to only smoking joints, reeling and coughing.

There is a difference between smoking 20% THC flower, and 60-90% THC extracts. Especially when most users still try to inhale as much as possible.