Told gun seller Im a card holder, big mistake?

[lemonbud]

Thanks for the responses guys! Didn't think it would get this much attention. guess I should have said that I am in california. I need to go through an FFL dealer. so I don't have much of a choice. still one thing though, do you think they put my name some where that they would be looking for it if a form were to go through?

 

[Peacemonger]

Card holder

Card holder

I did not read all the posts. Read the first few so I guess I get the idea. I bought my hand gun at Turners in Riverside Californis about six months ago. As I was filling out the paper work I ask the "old guy" who was helping me out if there would be a problem...His exact words "Hell, no problem half the people who work here have cards". His exact words.

 

[MrGreenWeed]

Exactly. More evidence that the government, liberals, Marxist, Communist, progressives all seem to want more gun control. The question isn't if they are trying to take and control guns, its how will they try to pull it off?

Don't get me wrong, I don't believe the 2nd amendment is going ANYWHERE. But I do believe it is under attack, and 4 more years of Obama would put us in real jeopardy of loosing these rights.

You are just a right-wing nut, no offense. You use words like liberal and progressive along with words like communists and marxist, of which the pairs have nothing in common with one another. You need to learn the definitions of each word before you attempt to use them.
You talk just like a Alex Jones fan, I knew it the minute you sent me that video.
There is nothing I can do or say to convince you that you are wrong, on this issue and probably many others, so there is no point in us conversing anymore on this subject.
Your entire comment is a contradiction; trying to take and control guns, its how will they try to pull it off? I don't believe the 2nd amendment is going ANYWHERE. But-4 more years of Obama would put us in real jeopardy of loosing these rights.
So is it in jeopardy in your opinion or not? And what does Obama even have to do with it? Is congress not responsible for anything?
You really need to learn your politics, so far your grade is an F.
Reagan's administration passed more restrictive gun laws than any other administration, the supposed conservative of conservatives. Who by the way passed 11 huge tax hikes and got 3 million illegals amnesty.
One of the most aggressive gun control advocates today is Republican mayor Rudolph Giuliani.
The ominous Assault Weapons Ban that passed in 1994 was a key part of H.R. 3355, The Violent Crime Control and Law Enforcement Act of 1994. Despite some people saying the bill was authored by Joe Biden, they're wrong. The author was Rep. Jack Brooks from Texas. Biden wasn't even a sponsor. Right wing gun enthusiasts claim Democrats are the bad guys, trying to take away their guns, but an examination of the voting record shows nothing of the sort.
Yes, among Republicans in the Senate, a higher percentage supported the AWB(assault weapons ban) than Democrats!
I could go on about your myths and conspiracies, but I doubt you were even able to take this in.
I'm not replying to this thread anymore.
I said more then enough.

 

[MrGreenWeed]

Thanks for the responses guys! Didn't think it would get this much attention. guess I should have said that I am in california. I need to go through an FFL dealer. so I don't have much of a choice. still one thing though, do you think they put my name some where that they would be looking for it if a form were to go through?

Yes, being you're in California it's a whole different game. Good Luck.

 

[MrGreenWeed]

I did not read all the posts. Read the first few so I guess I get the idea. I bought my hand gun at Turners in Riverside Californis about six months ago. As I was filling out the paper work I ask the "old guy" who was helping me out if there would be a problem...His exact words "Hell, no problem half the people who work here have cards". His exact words.

I don't believe you for a second. FFL dealers can lose their license and be imprisoned for sales to known card holders.


“During a firearms transaction, a potential transferee may advise you that he or she is a user of medical marijuana, or present a medical marijuana card as identification or proof of residency. As you know, Federal Law, 18 U.S.C. § 922(g)(3), prohibits any person who is an “unlawful user of or addicted to any controlled substance (as defined in section 102 of the Controlled Substances Act (21 U.S.C. 802))” from shipping, transporting, receiving or possessing firearms or ammunition. Marijuana is listed in the Controlled Substances Act as a Schedule I controlled substance, and there are no exceptions in Federal law for marijuana purportedly used for medicinal purposes, even if such use is sanctioned by State law. ….any person who uses or is addicted to marijuana, regardless of whether his or her State has passed legislation authorizing marijuana for medicinal purposes, is an unlawful user of or addicted to a controlled substance, and is prohibited by Federal law from possessing firearms or ammunition. … Further, if you are aware that the potential transferee is in possession of a card authorizing the possession and use of marijuana under State law, then you have “reasonable cause to believe” that the person is an unlawful user of a controlled substance. ….”


It's draconian but it's truth. There is no true clarification of what will happen to the dealer or the buyer. I just doubt an actual dealer told you that.

 

[Peacemonger]

Take it as you like

Take it as you like

I don't believe you for a second. FFL dealers can lose their license and be imprisoned for sales to known card holders.


“During a firearms transaction, a potential transferee may advise you that he or she is a user of medical marijuana, or present a medical marijuana card as identification or proof of residency. As you know, Federal Law, 18 U.S.C. § 922(g)(3), prohibits any person who is an “unlawful user of or addicted to any controlled substance (as defined in section 102 of the Controlled Substances Act (21 U.S.C. 802))” from shipping, transporting, receiving or possessing firearms or ammunition. Marijuana is listed in the Controlled Substances Act as a Schedule I controlled substance, and there are no exceptions in Federal law for marijuana purportedly used for medicinal purposes, even if such use is sanctioned by State law. ….any person who uses or is addicted to marijuana, regardless of whether his or her State has passed legislation authorizing marijuana for medicinal purposes, is an unlawful user of or addicted to a controlled substance, and is prohibited by Federal law from possessing firearms or ammunition. … Further, if you are aware that the potential transferee is in possession of a card authorizing the possession and use of marijuana under State law, then you have “reasonable cause to believe” that the person is an unlawful user of a controlled substance. ….”


It's draconian but it's truth. There is no true clarification of what will happen to the dealer or the buyer. I just doubt an actual dealer told you that.

Take it as you will ,I have no reason to lie. Just a idea maybe you could call them it's Turners sporting goods on Mckinley st across from the wall mart in riverside.

 

[OrganicBuds]

You are just a right-wing nut, no offense. You use words like liberal and progressive along with words like communists and marxist, of which the pairs have nothing in common with one another. You need to learn the definitions of each word before you attempt to use them.
You talk just like a Alex Jones fan, I knew it the minute you sent me that video.

You have the balls to insult me, make assumptions, and cast me as a nut, but you don't answer the question? You averted the question better than a presidential candidate. You are the personification of the Obama campain, no record to stand on, just bash the other side.Too late, now I don't care. You are just spewing hate at this point.


Two thing you negative ass hole. You were having a nice conversation until you decided to be a jerk.

The only thing I said liberals and progressives and communist have in common is gun control. Can you show me where I compared them in any other way? You think I don't know what a communist is? I can throw republicans in there if that makes you feel better, but doesn't make it any less true.

Two, that is one of the first Alex Jones video's I have EVER seen. I only used it as an example because google brought it up first in my search. Like I told you before, I have hundred of other websites as verification. No need to call me names.

Please stop making shit up and putting words in my mouth. After your first two sentences in your last post I now know you are a troll, didn't even have to finish your post. BTW, why didn't you answer the question, only insults?

Why don't you post up another 5 pages worth of troll posts, just in case anybody didn't catch your first 5 pages. You are just incapable of having a civil conversation. Have a good life.

Take it as you will ,I have no reason to lie. Just a idea maybe you could call them it's Turners sporting goods on Mckinley st across from the wall mart in riverside.

No, that would be based on facts. Mr. brownweed would not like facts.


The funniest thing about all this is we are on a pot site, talking politics, which is against the TOU anyway. Then on top of that I am debating a guy named Mr Greenweed, when the only pictures in his album are of his dead ass brown plants and needing help. https://www.icmag.com/ic/album.php?albumid=38542 Maybe you should work on your grow skills Mr. Greenweed, then come back and talk some more crap, pathetic.

 

[THE PABLOS]

love love love

 

[BrnCow]

As has almost been said before..."I would not belong to ANY group that would not have me as a member"

 

[skullznroses]

News flash-> Ganja smokers, pole smokers, commi grass heads, and obvious Fox news bots

Your background checks and credit reports have come in... looks like you all failed as expected. Have a nice day and remember:

Guns don't kill people... I kill people

 

[dagnabit]

Thanks for the responses guys! Didn't think it would get this much attention. guess I should have said that I am in california. I need to go through an FFL dealer. so I don't have much of a choice. still one thing though, do you think they put my name some where that they would be looking for it if a form were to go through?

lemme tell you a little story..

i have an older brother who used to love the cocaine...
the police wanted his dealer but never had enough juice to get him to roll.
my brother simply checked the wrong box on a federal firearms application.
7 years later he gets in a bar fight and the police show up.
he is booked for disturbing the peace as a mutual combatant.
a few hours later the federal marshals show up and whisk him away from the county jail.
he spends the next 2 weeks on planes going from federal holding to federal holding while the DEA continually grill him about his connection and telling him he faces federal time for perjury.

flash cut to yazoo federal pen 5.5 years later im picking him up for his first breath of free air.
he never even got the gun.
just checked the wrong box.


don't ever give them the leverage.

 

[ClosetAdvocate]

Mum's the word.

If you use marijuana/cannabis even if legally allowed to by state law you have two options...
(1) don't purchase a firearm (you could go with non-firearm alternatives)
(2) lie on the form (which is a felony) to purchase a firearm.

Just know that until cannabis is not a schedule 1 drug there will always be an issue.

Personally, I think that whole 4473 needs an overhaul. Where does it say in the US Constitution "the right to keep and bear arms shall not be infringed" unless you have been convicted of an offense punishable by a year or more in prison, have ever been dishonorably discharged from the military, are an unlawful user or addicted to drugs or alcohol...

I'm no lawyer so take my advice with a grain of salt, but I am a gun owner. Personally, I think it's better to have a gun if you need it. It would only become an issue if you're arrested for something and they search your house find cannabis & a firearm, but even if you didn't have a firearm you'd probably still be screwed depending on your state.

PM me if you want some non-firearm alternatives.

BTW, ATF will prosecute for lying on a 4473 if they feel like it. They've done it before and they're prosecuted people for illegal possession of a machine gun because a rifle malfunctioned and sent more than one bullet down range with one squeeze of the trigger. If it's any consolation, the police don't have access to firearms sale records and there is no "database" of firearms owners. PD can only request firearms information for investigation of a crime committed and are not allowed to use information for fishing expeditions.

 

[Peacemonger]

I hate guns

I hate guns

I was brought up learning to hunt Pheasant, dove, quail, duck.From the time I was old enough to wave bye ,bye, My father was a staff sergeant in the "Army air core" (That's what the air force was called then) He was from Texas and could shoot the left eye out of a fly at two hundred yards. He taught people how handle and respect firearms. He was in Africa and Korea during the war ..(got some gnarly black and white pics). I'm about as far left as you can go and don't mind being called a socialist mostly because totally ignorant people throw this word around with no understanding of it's true meaning. Having said all this all I was trying to state what happened to me. I live in "Cowboy town" in so calif. There is very little crime here ,everybody rides horses around like there John friggin Wayne. And a lot of the "Cowboys" I know personally are medicating and have numerous firearms. I usually would not even own a gun here where I live. But, the times have changed in my 56 years of life I have gone from a little boy who grew up not having to lock our front door to our house to watching people on the news ,Children ect, being gunned down (3 per hour) in the US, by "People who should never ,ever own a gun"....IMHO ...the 2nd amend clearly states gun rite are reserved for people to hunt to provide themselves and others for sustenance (Food) and for a "Militia" to protect our freedom from"FORIEGN ENEMYS"..so take it as you will, I have only stated what had happened to me. Others may have different views and experiences and I respect that. Because "This is America".All the very best...!!!

 

[dagnabit]

IMHO ...the 2nd amend clearly states gun rite are reserved for people to hunt to provide themselves and others for sustenance (Food) and for a "Militia" to protect our freedom from"FORIEGN ENEMYS"

clearly?

none of the bolded words are there..
how clear is that?

 

[Peacemonger]

Read this IMHO

Read this IMHO

clearly?

none of the bolded words are there..
how clear is that?

You should have bolded "IMHO" I just do the same as the "Lizard brained" far right wack jobs do and interpret the rites we have the way I see it. And I believe people would be a whole lot better if they saw it my way. Have a great day..!

 

[armedoldhippy]

unfortunately for the folks that think this treaty is to stop the sale of US made guns overseas, the arms industry is global, & even if we quit selling them yesterday there would be NO dropoff in violence. AK47/SKS clones are made the world over, in places as diverse as huge european factories down to hand-made AKs made in mud huts in Afghanistan & Pakistan. yes, Obama WOULD sign it if he could gull enough senators into going along. NOT GONNA HAPPEN! the bigger problem for us is having a govt that does not trust us with the means of saving ourselves from them. like any other criminal organization, our politicians would rather have us helpless to resist anything they decide to do... DO NOT KISS THE BOOT ON YOUR NECK!

 

[Harry Lime]

Not trying to hijack the thread but haven't you thought of maybe not owning a gun like most of the rest of the world?

 

[ClosetAdvocate]

Not trying to hijack the thread but haven't you thought of maybe not owning a gun like most of the rest of the world?

That was partially my point with option 1.

OP doesn't have to buy a gun. He could go with a non-lethal defense option or a non-firearm which can provide adequate defense.

In this day and age, even if I wasn't a firearms enthusiast I'd rather have it and never need it than to never have it (it's like having jumper cables or a first aid kit in your car, you may never need it but the one time you do you'll be glad you did).

People are just one thing others need to worry about. Out west it's not abnormal to hear about bear, mountain lion, or wolf attacks.

 

[Yes4Prop215]

Not trying to hijack the thread but haven't you thought of maybe not owning a gun like most of the rest of the world?

yea because i would be able to defeat an angry black bear or cougar on my property with my bare fists! and if buglary or looting happens, i will simply ask the criminals to leave my property nicely and they will comply...or i can cower in the closet while they steal all my property...

OR I COULD EXERCISE MY RIGHT TO SELF DEFENSE...ask mexico how their gun control is working for them? gun control garuntees criminals that most citizens will be unarmed and easy victims....if you are a robber, would you rather target the unarmed victim or the one who is carrying a gun..

guns level the playing field...without them many people would become victims. an elderly couple in their home being robbed by 3 thugs would be toast without a firearm for self defense.....guns are used over 1 million times a year for self defense purposes, most not even shooting just brandishing or letting the assailant know you are armed will prevent the crime...thats 1 million times guns prevent crime compared with 10k gun homicides and 15k gun suicides...thats 1 million vs 25k gun deaths...i think il keep my guns thank you very much...ITS JUST A TOOL. 99.9% of the time my guns sit idle and not used...its not like gun owners prowl around looking for conflict. its simply for last resort situations involving protection of family and property..


also in regards to aurora, the theater was a GUN FREE ZONE!! imo, this is a perfect example of gun control gone wrong.......BECAUSE CRIMINALS DONT FOLLOW THE LAW!!!! MURDER IS BANNED TOO!!

the gun free zone implemented by aurora and the movie theaters created an UNARMED, TARGET RICH ENVIRONMENT for a mass shooter......its sad that there was not a single CCW or LTC holder in the audience who may have had a small chance at saving a few lives....

people who support gun control are lost, they dont live in the real world, they live in a bubble where crime doesnt exist and all gun owners are right wing "nuts".....i try to educate many anti gunnies about their absurd line of thought, unfortunately rational thinking and a love for the US constitution doesnt apply to them...

 

[Mia]

The guns aren't the problem, they're a tool.
It's the dipshit people like idiot from Co. that are the problem and that is something you can never get rid of.