The Perfect Vape

[SOTF420]

Vapes are where the flavor is and best buzz for certain. Gonna vape something grapefruity tonight!

 

[sandawg]

If the temperature goes up 50 degrees when reheating shouldn't it be smart to start low then raise it if you want as much flavor and high as possible due to not burning anything which degrades the substances?.

When I start at 375, the first hit is purely perfume with almost no visible vapor. My vape doesn't instantly reheat to 50 degrees above set. It takes a few hits to get up to that.

If I don't change anything, the second hit will reheat to about 380, the third to 390, and higher it goes with each hit, maxing out at 50 degrees in about five tokes.

So what I'm really doing by lowering the temp after each toke is stabilizing the temperature at about 380 degrees throughout my session.

I actually appreciate your insight, I definitely learned something. Where I think you may be wrong is that while I'm stabilizing the temp at around 380, the weed gets drier with every toke, subsequently requiring a lower temp for each hit. By keeping the temperature constant at 380, I am indeed extracting those CBDs because the constant temperature becomes RELATIVELY higher with the loss of vapor over time.

I used to vape at 400 and never lower it, so it would get up to 450 after a few hits. I did that for almost two years. I'm getting much higher with my new method, it uses less weed, and tastes much better. So it works for me, with this POS $100 whip vape I have

 

[AGBeer]

I've got an Extreme Q. Just checked their site for a fitting from the whip into a water pipe (frosted glass fittings). No dice.

Anyone know where I can find such a doodad?

I'd love to find a groove to use the whip, but on its own, it doesn't really do much for me. Maybe I'm wrong, but I feel like if I could fill up the chamber on a tube, that might do more for me.

Ill post this for everyone too - I picked mine up at the 7th Floor website. http://silversurfervap.com/accessories/surfer-accessories/ground-glass-water-pipe-adapter.html

 

[AGBeer]

Does anyone know if the SSV reheats at a higher temp?

When I got my SSV, I was told to learn the approximate 'sweet spot'.

Once that was achieved, pull the knob off and set it at high noon. Once I did that, I am able to hit the exact same spot every time. No 'turning it up full blast and then back down to where it should be cause I am an impatient stoner' shit here. Just pull a Ronco on it. 5-7 minutes isnt too bad considering. I can pull it out, fire it up, get something to drink, take a piss, grind my weed, agitate the cat, fill the bong and be at the perfect vaping temp (for my tastes).

 

[SOTF420]

agitate the cat

Awwwwwwwwwww kitty!

 

[KonradZuse]

FOR ANYONE WHO IS INTERESTING IN BUYING A VAPE AND NEEDS HELP IN FINDING WHAT TO BUY PLEASE REFER TO MY VAPORIZATION 101 THREAD: https://www.icmag.com/ic/group.php?do=discuss&group=&discussionid=1823

Raising the temp will dry out the weed at a much faster pace. With every hit, as you extract vapor from the weed, it becomes drier. Increasing the temp on top of it will create that thick visible vapor indicative of overheating.

LOWERING the temp while the weed dries out, preserves the pot, keeping it moist and tasting better. Your high increases and you wind up vaping much less pot overall.

If you go through more weed vaping than smoking, you are vaping at too high a temp.

After I discovered I was vaping at too high a temp, I found I was changing the screens more often. They get gummy a lot quicker when you vape properly. I replace my screen every 5-10 uses now as opposed to every 20 or 30.

Many people like to grind their weed prior to vaping it. I don't do this because you wind up vaping all the taste out of it on the first hit. I'll put a bud in and rotate it around the first couple hits. Then I have a small pair of scissors I use to snip the bud after a hit to release some flavor. One snip per hit. By the time I'm finished, the bud is all chopped up, dry, sandy shake, all the vapor removed. And because I lowered the temp the whole way, I never get a bad taste in my mouth.

I disagree with your claims about temp. Each active has a certain flash point which it will vape at. THC is 149.3C, CBD is about 165C. First off when you said you need to wait 30 seconds to "reheat" that's pretty ridiculous, my Extreme is hit ready whenever, so is the vapor bros my friend has.

Second if your temp "increases" when it "reheats" that is also an issue because it shouldn't get any hotter, and if it burns then something is also up. Cannabis combusts at 230C, so if you are under that you will be fine, and even after that it will be light combustion to full blown combustion depending on how hot you get it. My extreme was 170-200C my Supreme is 150-190C, and my vhw was 185-190C.

So basically if I just wanted to get THC I would vape at 150C and stay there. If I wanted more cannabinoids I will vape higher. There are cannabinoids that also vape before. Cannabinoids start vaping at 70C.


Thick rips don't equal overheating, as you vape different cannabinoids produce different thicknesses in vapor, as does increasing the temp. If you go too high you can destroy actives potentially.

Your cannabis should be dry, it shouldn't be moist or wet in the first place. By going lower, nothing is changed. I don't know how your vape works though, but it seems to not work like a traditional vape.

I don't know how it would clug differently, nor did I ever swap my sceen soo much. I use the same screens for months.

if you have a conduction vape, like the herbal aire/supreme, you can pop nugs in. If not then you will have a much higher air:actives ratio and you will be sucking for a long time. You will eventually need to grind your buds to get the most out of your cannabis. I never get this "Popcorn taste" when I vape properly. If you get it you are probably going too high, and I vape decently high to get the cbd/cbn.

 

[zeppelindood]

You guys just have to try my coke can pipe it's the shit!

I used to make a new one every time I traveled... love that slurpee effect too br0

Sand... expansion level refers to the heaviness of the toke, or the rate it expands after being released into vapor/smoke... when it hits the lungs does it dissipate or does it expand? I prefer a massive expansion.

 

[sandawg]

KonradZuse,

Your post is too long to quote and while I don't think I'm going to convince you of anything, I will respond to you nonetheless, simply because I find Europeans amusing.

1) Whether my vape is actually "reheating" or not, I have no idea. The digital thermometer claims the temp gets sucked down into the low 100s (Farenheit) whenever I inhale and takes about 30 seconds for the digital reading to "reheat." And it usually reheats hotter than what its set at, as I've mentioned numerous times above. I have toked, however, before it "reheats" and it doesn't seem to affect anything. Perhaps the digital thermometer is overly sensitive, but that wouldn't explain why it reheats hotter. Yes, I have a shitty vape and this thread is aimed at those, like me, with shitty whip-style vapes. For those of you with your Bentley thermostat controlled vapes, fuck off, this isn't for your rich ass. I still have over $200K in student loans to pay back, I'm not buying a geothermonuclear vape.

2) I agree thick rips don't equal overheating. Thick rips plus burnt popcorn taste does.

3) When I'm discussing moist weed versus dry, I am speaking in relative terms. Some weed is drier than others. I buy medicinal grade from California coops because I have my recommendation. The Green Crack I have right now is fairly moist, you get nice perfume hits at first and see almost no vapor. My Woody Kush, however, is relatively dry and I pull some pretty thick vapor off the first hit. I'm not a noob, I've been smoking chronically every day for over 20 years. You are talking to me like I'm an idiot. It just may be that I'm misinterpreting your Euro tone.

4) Now that I'm not overheating, certain strains will gum up my screens faster than others. The Alaskan Mist I have right now will gum it up in 3 sessions. Less sticky strains I don't have a problem with. But I agree with your assertion that vaping too hot will destroy some actives. That's why I believe lowering the temp was responsible for better highs.

5) That makes sense, what you said about pulling air over the nugs. And I do notice that with the smaller nugs I throw in, now that you mention it. But I pull the perfume off the side of the nug closest to the heating element. Then I turn it on the next hit, and get another perfume hit. Then I snip it on the third hit, releasing more flavor.

6) The bottom line is that if it works for you and it ain't broke, then don't fix it. I was hoping this thread would reach out to two types of people: (a) people who don't vape because they haven't experienced the vaporbong and (b) people who vaporbong but may be vaping too hot.

And I love you Europeans btw, I just didn't feel like converting temps on google atm.

 

[sandawg]

I used to make a new one every time I traveled... love that slurpee effect too br0

Sand... expansion level refers to the heaviness of the toke, or the rate it expands after being released into vapor/smoke... when it hits the lungs does it dissipate or does it expand? I prefer a massive expansion.

Ah, I see. Does expansion or dissipation depend on the strain? Do you find that indicas expand more than sativas? Now that you mention it, I think my indicas may expand in my lungs more than sativas, but now I'll start to pay attention.

 

[zeppelindood]

You got it br0... generally indica expands more than sativa. Some hybrids have a prime expando rate such as ECSD x Chocolate Thai

 

[sandawg]

Thanks, man. It was nice discussing this with you. Love Zeppelin btw, was definitely my biggest music phase in high school. I used to be able to play their entire first album on bass. Used to sit in my parents' basement drinking beer while I played it cover to cover. But why in the world would you use 'In the Light' as your location? That was the worst Zep album ever LOL. Love JPJ, but he was just a studio musician, had no business writing songs imo. Just sayin'. Lulz. Later.

Edit: Shit, I just remembered 'In the Light' was on Physical Graffiti, doh. I was thinking of 'Fool in the Rain.'

 

[Green&Gold]

I've had my Volcano for 10 years, and it's been very helpful with my pain relief, but it seems to be lacking in the hit department, and takes many bags to actually get the relief I need. Also the taste is rather ordinary, and I hate buying consumables. Since most of the other vapes on the market are so poor imassumed the Volcano must be the best of a bad bunch.


I was mistaken. I found the Verdamper at the Treating Yourself Hemp Expo in Toronto last year and fell in love with the device. It's very frugal with bud, while still hitting hard. And it's so tasty! When you use the verdamper you are able to find out everything about your bud, because the taste is so clear and pronounced. Great device. And cheaper than the volcano, he was selling them for $575 at the show. Great value. I'm going to get one when I go to the cup in November.

 

[sandawg]

I've had my Volcano for 10 years, and it's been very helpful with my pain relief, but it seems to be lacking in the hit department, and takes many bags to actually get the relief I need. Also the taste is rather ordinary, and I hate buying consumables. Since most of the other vapes on the market are so poor imassumed the Volcano must be the best of a bad bunch.


I was mistaken. I found the Verdamper at the Treating Yourself Hemp Expo in Toronto last year and fell in love with the device. It's very frugal with bud, while still hitting hard. And it's so tasty! When you use the verdamper you are able to find out everything about your bud, because the taste is so clear and pronounced. Great device. And cheaper than the volcano, he was selling them for $575 at the show. Great value. I'm going to get one when I go to the cup in November.

Good for you. Thanks for bumping the thread, you fucking weirdo.

 

[THC123]

Indeed the verdamper is the best vape i ever tried

But alas it's made out of glass

 

[AGBeer]

People seem to really like the all glass (or at least as close to all glass) setups for taste.

Verdamper while a good choice is WAY overpriced for such a delicate piece of vape.

Vrip Heat Wand is a decent glass choice.

Lifesaber (from 7th Floor) gets my vote. I hear way too many people getting hooked to this badboy. It rivals the Vrip but is MUCH more durable)

VapeXhaleCloud - one of the few vapes to boast an all glass vapor path. Still new to the market but the hype and initial reviews of this vape are quite impressive.

Aromed - another all glass path. From what I have seen, this is one of the taste cadillac vapes. But then again, yer gonna pay for it.

 

[KonradZuse]

KonradZuse,

Your post is too long to quote and while I don't think I'm going to convince you of anything, I will respond to you nonetheless, simply because I find Europeans amusing.

1) Whether my vape is actually "reheating" or not, I have no idea. The digital thermometer claims the temp gets sucked down into the low 100s (Farenheit) whenever I inhale and takes about 30 seconds for the digital reading to "reheat." And it usually reheats hotter than what its set at, as I've mentioned numerous times above. I have toked, however, before it "reheats" and it doesn't seem to affect anything. Perhaps the digital thermometer is overly sensitive, but that wouldn't explain why it reheats hotter. Yes, I have a shitty vape and this thread is aimed at those, like me, with shitty whip-style vapes. For those of you with your Bentley thermostat controlled vapes, fuck off, this isn't for your rich ass. I still have over $200K in student loans to pay back, I'm not buying a geothermonuclear vape.

2) I agree thick rips don't equal overheating. Thick rips plus burnt popcorn taste does.

3) When I'm discussing moist weed versus dry, I am speaking in relative terms. Some weed is drier than others. I buy medicinal grade from California coops because I have my recommendation. The Green Crack I have right now is fairly moist, you get nice perfume hits at first and see almost no vapor. My Woody Kush, however, is relatively dry and I pull some pretty thick vapor off the first hit. I'm not a noob, I've been smoking chronically every day for over 20 years. You are talking to me like I'm an idiot. It just may be that I'm misinterpreting your Euro tone.

4) Now that I'm not overheating, certain strains will gum up my screens faster than others. The Alaskan Mist I have right now will gum it up in 3 sessions. Less sticky strains I don't have a problem with. But I agree with your assertion that vaping too hot will destroy some actives. That's why I believe lowering the temp was responsible for better highs.

5) That makes sense, what you said about pulling air over the nugs. And I do notice that with the smaller nugs I throw in, now that you mention it. But I pull the perfume off the side of the nug closest to the heating element. Then I turn it on the next hit, and get another perfume hit. Then I snip it on the third hit, releasing more flavor.

6) The bottom line is that if it works for you and it ain't broke, then don't fix it. I was hoping this thread would reach out to two types of people: (a) people who don't vape because they haven't experienced the vaporbong and (b) people who vaporbong but may be vaping too hot.

And I love you Europeans btw, I just didn't feel like converting temps on google atm.

First off I'm American, so don't assume I'm European.

1) I paid 25$ for my Supreme(180$ vape) and 80$ for my VHW(200$) vape the supreme is torch powered and has the worst readout imaginable, yet I still get it to vape at the temps I want. You say your thread is aimed at "shitty vapes" but yet you're telling people overall how to try and change their method of vaping to something that only works because your vape seems to reheat itself hotter, which would be a cause for you to heat it down. It's always about hating the rich it seems, what does rich have to do with anything? This thread should be about vaporzation, not who's vape is better or worse. This is a thread to educate.

2) As I said previously I don't taste the "burnt popcorn" but when my vape gets to done it will have a bland taste.

4) Lowering the temp once it's at a higher temp wont do anything. If you just want THC then vape lower, if you want the other actives vape higher. Lower = high, higher = stoned.

5) Well your element only has 1 side? MY Supreme is inside a metal chamber that heats up, and the VHW passes air over all the bud.

6) This thread should reach out to (A) Smokers who want to learn more about vaping.(B) those who don't know much about vaping and have had bad experiences with vapes. (C) Vaporists who want to learn more about the movement.



I come in here because I am an Avid Vaporist, some people in this thread know me, and know of my dedication. If you read my Vaporization 101 thread you would see how dedicated I really am. I also am very against shitty vapes. A lot of them are china made jank with lead or solder in the airpath, and you don't want to be vaping that shit. Everyone needs to know about good vs bad, because the bad vapes WILL put off people from vaping.


AS for Celcius temps, my Extreme worked in both, and I used Celcius because the incriments were easier to read "170C to 200C" than "338F to 392F". I already told you the F conversions anyways.

I also don't know why you tried to use "European" as an insult or something, the assumption of that is quite funny.

 

[AGBeer]

KonradZuse,

Your post is too long to quote and while I don't think I'm going to convince you of anything, I will respond to you nonetheless, simply because I find Europeans amusing.

1) Whether my vape is actually "reheating" or not, I have no idea. The digital thermometer claims the temp gets sucked down into the low 100s (Farenheit) whenever I inhale and takes about 30 seconds for the digital reading to "reheat." And it usually reheats hotter than what its set at, as I've mentioned numerous times above. I have toked, however, before it "reheats" and it doesn't seem to affect anything. Perhaps the digital thermometer is overly sensitive, but that wouldn't explain why it reheats hotter. Yes, I have a shitty vape and this thread is aimed at those, like me, with shitty whip-style vapes. For those of you with your Bentley thermostat controlled vapes, fuck off, this isn't for your rich ass. I still have over $200K in student loans to pay back, I'm not buying a geothermonuclear vape.

2) I agree thick rips don't equal overheating. Thick rips plus burnt popcorn taste does.

3) When I'm discussing moist weed versus dry, I am speaking in relative terms. Some weed is drier than others. I buy medicinal grade from California coops because I have my recommendation. The Green Crack I have right now is fairly moist, you get nice perfume hits at first and see almost no vapor. My Woody Kush, however, is relatively dry and I pull some pretty thick vapor off the first hit. I'm not a noob, I've been smoking chronically every day for over 20 years. You are talking to me like I'm an idiot. It just may be that I'm misinterpreting your Euro tone.

4) Now that I'm not overheating, certain strains will gum up my screens faster than others. The Alaskan Mist I have right now will gum it up in 3 sessions. Less sticky strains I don't have a problem with. But I agree with your assertion that vaping too hot will destroy some actives. That's why I believe lowering the temp was responsible for better highs.

5) That makes sense, what you said about pulling air over the nugs. And I do notice that with the smaller nugs I throw in, now that you mention it. But I pull the perfume off the side of the nug closest to the heating element. Then I turn it on the next hit, and get another perfume hit. Then I snip it on the third hit, releasing more flavor.

6) The bottom line is that if it works for you and it ain't broke, then don't fix it. I was hoping this thread would reach out to two types of people: (a) people who don't vape because they haven't experienced the vaporbong and (b) people who vaporbong but may be vaping too hot.

And I love you Europeans btw, I just didn't feel like converting temps on google atm.

I missed a good portion of your wall of text but it sounds like you are unhappy with your SV? I eventually learned to gauge the temp of my Supreme by 'torch time' I will admit that the digital display is klugy and varies from vape to vape. I know it changed when I had to replace it and the temp probe (so I feel your pain there in regards to temp) And yes, I will agree that it can very easily 'overvape' your herb before you know it. Yes, this can be VERY frustrating.

My suggestion to you would be to look into a GOOD whip based vape. Once I got my SSV, my Supreme went to one of my good buddies. Can my SSV combust? Absolutely... BUT - once you get your temp dialed in after playing with it (when you first get it) it will give you rip after rip after rip of thick milky hits. AND it does it oh so gently without combusting. (Stirring between hits mind you)

Good luck in your vapor quest!

 

[KonradZuse]

I missed a good portion of your wall of text but it sounds like you are unhappy with your SV? I eventually learned to gauge the temp of my Supreme by 'torch time' I will admit that the digital display is klugy and varies from vape to vape. I know it changed when I had to replace it and the temp probe (so I feel your pain there in regards to temp) And yes, I will agree that it can very easily 'overvape' your herb before you know it. Yes, this can be VERY frustrating.

My suggestion to you would be to look into a GOOD whip based vape. Once I got my SSV, my Supreme went to one of my good buddies. Can my SSV combust? Absolutely... BUT - once you get your temp dialed in after playing with it (when you first get it) it will give you rip after rip after rip of thick milky hits. AND it does it oh so gently without combusting. (Stirring between hits mind you)

Good luck in your vapor quest!

Since I do oil now, my vapes collect dust, but I will vape my blasted buds with my supreme. The SV IMO is the biggest hitter/most efficient vape out there but it needs some skill to master it for sure.

 

[Sour Deez]

BUT - once you get your temp dialed in after playing with it (when you first get it) it will give you rip after rip after rip of thick milky hits. AND it does it oh so gently without combusting. (Stirring between hits mind you)

I have to agree here, when I first got the SSV i thought i was combusting or something cause how thick the hits were compared to my buddys volcano. After trying my SSV he sold it for $300 and bought a SSV.

I also think it was you, AGBeer, who turned me onto the water filters 7th floor has to offer. That has been an awesome investment, they were on sale at the time so I got the J hook, 6 arm filter, bong attachment piece, and extra tubing for $67.50

 

[sandawg]

Konrad,

Buddy, I assumed you're European because you referred to all temps in Celsius.

I wasn't trying to engage in class warfare. I just don't have the money to buy a new vape atm. And I'm pissed off I couldn't consolidate this one student loan that is beating my fucking door down. Just sayin'.

Regarding the gummy screens: if you are overheating, your screens won't get gummy. I hope I don't have to explain that further, although I never realized it until I lowered the temp. Do you see? When I was overheating, my screen never got gummy because I was burning the shit out of the weed. Now that I'm vaping at a proper temp, the screen gums up. Shouldn't be that mind blowing.

Yes, my element only has one side. Its a knob that gets hot, and I place the bowl with the weed over it. So only one side of the weed is facing the heating element. After each toke, I pull off the bowl and rotate the bud. The irritation in your tone plus the lame attempt at braggadocio tells me you were falling for my troll bait. Relax, I was going easy on you. I'm a damn good troll, actually, but I love these forums, so I try to keep my troll proclivities in check. I do enjoy fucking with you though.

People like you aren't the target audience. I was reaching out to people who don't know everything. I actually learned a lot, by the way, mostly from people who also don't know everything, like me. I feel everything is a continual learning process. It must be nice to reach a point where you feel you've learned it all. Grats