LIBERATE YOURSELVES FROM BOTTLED NUTES -- SAVE $$ AND GROW BETTER ORGANIC PLANTS

[Butte_Creek]

Rosebud Magazine would be my first guess...........

open your mind, people get too zealous in these organic arguments. as it's seems to be common knowledge that an aquaponic system will require less irrigation/water,less energy, and higher food production than a conventional or organic soil ag system.

rosebud, hah, good one....

they teach aquaponics in permaculture, it's a sustainable practice. some people see anything that isn't soil as intimidating.

Just curious where you're quoting from?

http://www.livingmandala.com/Living_Mandala/Aquaponics_Course.html

course right there^ first link that came up on a simple google search.

there they actually quote:
-98% less water
-1/3 the energy than alternative systems
-products of the system include: solar electricity, heat, fish, prawns, vegetables, aquatic plants, algae, snails, worms, fertilizer.


http://www.asabe.org/awards/competi...Aquaponic Food Production System - McGill.pdf

^ lays it out.


it's funny, it's almost like you guys saw 'ponics' and immediately brought the heat. what you overlooked was I'm on your side.
organics and permaculture.


http://www.pc.gov.au/__data/assets/pdf_file/0005/15359/sub046.pdf

^^simple comparisons of water use for food production

Litres of water per A$100 of output:
-Vegetables and fruit (soil grown) 37,900

-Aquaponics -- fish and lettuce 500
-Aquaponics --fish and basil 173

 

[Butte_Creek]

growing indoors under HID claiming sustainable growing practices is sort of missing the point imo

just saying

 

[heady blunts]

this thread is about using organic amendments rather than buying bottled nutrient systems. fully functioning aquaponics systems are well designed and i find them interesting.

however, i do think soil is a more conducive environment for nurturing a thriving and varied biology than a soil-less medium.

regardless, the argument presented here is that if you are going organic, don't stop at bottled, so-called "organic" nutrient systems. build a well amended soil, culture a rich biodiversity, and source as many of your materials from nature as you can. the correct application of these practices will result in less overhead being spent on your grows, healthier plants with loads of lovely flowers, and a superior final product.

 

[heady blunts]

also i think it's pretty clear that the human race on a grand scale is a parasitic force on planet earth and we have been doing a damn good job destroying nature and ensuring the end of life as we know it.

of course many people contribute to an alternative lifestyle that attempts to correct these negative impacts, but we remain a minority for the timebeing.

also no one has claimed indoor growing as sustainable or good for the environment.

 

[Butte_Creek]

heady blunts-i agree, sorry for off topic.

i wasn't directing my second statement on HID indoor growing towards you, or your thesis of this thread. that was off topic as well.


just defending my original opinion on aquaponics.

 

[heady blunts]

np.

i think aquaponics is cool. if i had an aquarium i would be experimenting with it (although probably with houseplants).

also one time i saw a biofilter somewhere on ic that really blew my mind. it was a custom lexan tank in an low pressure aeroponic microgrow.

 

[Microbeman]

open your mind, people get too zealous in these organic arguments. as it's seems to be common knowledge that an aquaponic system will require less irrigation/water,less energy, and higher food production than a conventional or organic soil ag system.

rosebud, hah, good one....

they teach aquaponics in permaculture, it's a sustainable practice. some people see anything that isn't soil as intimidating.


http://www.livingmandala.com/Living_Mandala/Aquaponics_Course.html

course right there^ first link that came up on a simple google search.

there they actually quote:
-98% less water
-1/3 the energy than alternative systems
-products of the system include: solar electricity, heat, fish, prawns, vegetables, aquatic plants, algae, snails, worms, fertilizer.


http://www.asabe.org/awards/competi...Aquaponic Food Production System - McGill.pdf

^ lays it out.


it's funny, it's almost like you guys saw 'ponics' and immediately brought the heat. what you overlooked was I'm on your side.
organics and permaculture.


http://www.pc.gov.au/__data/assets/pdf_file/0005/15359/sub046.pdf

^^simple comparisons of water use for food production

Litres of water per A$100 of output:
-Vegetables and fruit (soil grown) 37,900

-Aquaponics -- fish and lettuce 500
-Aquaponics --fish and basil 173

Perhaps if you read the thread first you'd see that 'us guys' already mentioned aquaponics as sustainable.

 

[mad librettist]

Litres of water per A$100 of output:
-Vegetables and fruit (soil grown) 37,900

-Aquaponics -- fish and lettuce 500
-Aquaponics --fish and basil 173

not if you grow properly in soil.


no , I don't think aquaponics is sustainable on a large scale. I think it beats conventional farming though.


Nature farming not only improves the soil, it helps clean the groundwater.

 

[CC_2U]

A form of 'aquaponics' has been around for over 3,000 years. First developed by the Chinese and then it moved to India under the Kushtan's Golden Era. On to Persia.

It also appeared in the New World - the Incas and Mayans practiced a form of aquaponics using moats filled with live fish surrounding the plots. Fish waste fed the soil which fed the plants.

It's believed that this specific method is the closest to what the Chinese developed around the same time that they figured out how to root cuttings. Without Clonex!!!!!

Hard to believe isn't it?

CC

 

[Microbeman]

not if you grow properly in soil.


no , I don't think aquaponics is sustainable on a large scale. I think it beats conventional farming though.


Nature farming not only improves the soil, it helps clean the groundwater.

Depends on the method employed; raised beds with light soil/peat mixed into pea gravel adjacent to fish ponds or tanks is highly sustainable.

 

[Microbeman]

A form of 'aquaponics' has been around for over 3,000 years. First developed by the Chinese and then it moved to India under the Kushtan's Golden Era. On to Persia.

It also appeared in the New World - the Incas and Mayans practiced a form of aquaponics using moats filled with live fish surrounding the plots. Fish waste fed the soil which fed the plants.

It's believed that this specific method is the closest to what the Chinese developed around the same time that they figured out how to root cuttings. Without Clonex!!!!!

Hard to believe isn't it?

CC

Ya, like that.

 

[mad librettist]

Depends on the method employed; raised beds with light soil/peat mixed into pea gravel adjacent to fish ponds or tanks is highly sustainable.

maybe this is where I admit I'm allergic to fish.

perhaps I have a bias...

 

[GoneRooty]

it's funny, it's almost like you guys saw 'ponics' and immediately brought the heat. what you overlooked was I'm on your side.
organics and permaculture.

All I asked for was your source. Never said anything about aquaponics one way or the other, just asked where you were quoting from. I have a thing about quoting things without citing where the info came from.
That being said, thanks for the links. It's something I'm going to read more on.

 

[mostnonymouse]

That is quite a negative outlook. I think you may be forgetting that we ourselves are part of nature, and if we work with nature, keeping in mind that our relationship is indeed symbiotic, amazing things can be accomplished. However I understand your negative outlook because so far none of what I described has come close to happening on a large scale.

Get back to me when monsanto tries to genetically engineer the honey bee to counter ccd lol. The power "those" companies have and the long term effects of what they're doing are scarier to me than nuclear warfare. Their war on our world has already begun. I'm probably just paranoid though.

 

[CC_2U]

I'm probably just paranoid though.

If you can't trust corporate interests then you're paranoid.

Read any of Monsanto's MSDS sheets and you'll find an inner peace. Kinda like being able to laugh at things once you're sedated.

HTH

CC

 

[GoneRooty]

Get back to me when monsanto tries to genetically engineer the honey bee to counter ccd lol. The power "those" companies have and the long term effects of what they're doing are scarier to me than nuclear warfare. Their war on our world has already begun. I'm probably just paranoid though.

I wouldn't say paranoid, just informed.

 

[heady blunts]

The power "those" companies have and the long term effects of what they're doing are scarier to me than nuclear warfare.

hear hear

the only thing i don't understand is how most people couldn't be bothered to care.

 

[longwaters]

The war began long ago. It is up to us (our generation may be the last with a chance to turn it around) to see an end to war and bring peace. And I hope we don't have to return to the stone age to do so. I truly believe that science is capable of bringing awesome change, but first we have to get the money and power out of the equation.

 

[foescan]

It also appeared in the New World - the Incas and Mayans practiced a form of aquaponics using moats filled with live fish surrounding the plots. Fish waste fed the soil which fed the plants.

It's still practiced today in a few areas. Some of those plots and canals have been in continuous use for millenia. Archaeologists in Peru have found canals and the accompanying raised beds that dated back nearly 6000 years. Sounds sustainable to me.

If I win the lottery I'll be trying it in North America!

The only bottled nutes I use contain fish and kelp.

 

[CC_2U]

It's still practiced today in a few areas. Some of those plots and canals have been in continuous use for millenia. Archaeologists in Peru have found canals and the accompanying raised beds that dated back nearly 6000 years. Sounds sustainable to me.

If I win the lottery I'll be trying it in North America!

The only bottled nutes I use contain fish and kelp.

foescan

I recently watched a PBS documentary on the Kushtan Empire in India. They had the aeroponics going on pretty strong which was probably borrowed/stolen from the Chinese.

Like you the only 'ferts' that I use are fish hydrolysate and some diluted mineral agents, i.e. sulfate of potash magnesia, SEA-90, silica, fulvic acid, etc.

CC