Breeding standards..?

[kopite]

i wana see The Battle of the Breeders,,,,,,,Chim Vs SamS... ,,,ahhhhhhhh man,,that would be a good 1...,,id pay to see that debate

why? what would it achieve? they both clearly love the plant and have it's best interests at heart, surely that is all that matters?

 

[indifferent]

I agree, don't see what it would achieve. Love of the plant is important, equally important is the proper scientific approach imho.

Hey kopite, something just occured to me, you aren't the scouse gentleman who was telling me and moppel about afghanistan and the original hindu kush in Barney's back in November by any chance?

 

[englishrick]

ok,,fair enough,,,,maybe not a "battle of the breeders" but i would love to watch all the big boy correct eachother face 2 face,,,,have you guys ever watched Question Time on UK tv??,,,,,,,,its like a polotics show,,,,,,i feel i would learn something from an open debate that ,,,,,

samS, Nevil, Chimera,Breeder Steve, Ben Dronker, Eddy, Pertwee, Russo, Raphael Mechoulam,,,,,,wow man,,,i would need the video camara

 

[kopite]

I agree, don't see what it would achieve. Love of the plant is important, equally important is the proper scientific approach imho.

Hey kopite, something just occured to me, you aren't the scouse gentleman who was telling me and moppel about afghanistan and the original hindu kush in Barney's back in November by any chance?

No not me I wouldn't give derry my $

 

[EddieShoestring]

the legalization thing works both ways-as well as making breeding difficult the consumer (ie the growers) don't really have any rights or recourse if they are not happy with the product.
If they don't germinate and you complain to the vendor the bottom line is (in most places) they are sold on the understanding (legally that is) that you are not going to try and grow them-they are 'souvaners (sp?). Similarly, if you've paid top dollar for seeds that turn out to be ditch weed you have can't really do FA about it.

Sure you can write to the seed co-or post the truth online, but most growers will not do this as they are concerned that it may come back on them

cheers
eddieS

 

[_Haste_]

great thread! unfortunetely the only way to hold these people to standards is by the way we consume their products.. posts like these are so important for us as consumers of seeds because it is such a deceptive market out there.. the truth needs to be available to us as consumers especially when it is up to us to inforce the standards.

 

[indifferent]

Sadly, the vast majority of pot growers don't visit net forums and aren't well informed about the crap these seed sellers pull. GHS are a great example, they don't care about bad reviews on the forums because most of their seed sales are to growers who haven't a clue about their shoddy product and dodgy ethics.

 

[GrapeDRANK]

if us growers and seed purchasers are interested in reading this kind of feedback,good bad or ugly then who is responsible for shutting down the threads and how come its acceptable for these breeders supporters to label us guys trolls for simply looking out for other buyers,it just doesnt seem fair that theyl take our money and then tell us to shut our mouth when we arnt sattisfied which is totaly immoral.
wont dare to mention any names though.

 

[indifferent]

if us growers and seed purchasers are interested in reading this kind of feedback,good bad or ugly then who is responsible for shutting down the threads and how come its acceptable for these breeders supporters to label us guys trolls for simply looking out for other buyers,it just doesnt seem fair that theyl take our money and then tell us to shut our mouth when we arnt sattisfied which is totaly immoral.
wont dare to mention any names though.

I think I know who you're talking about. That dude needs to eat some humble pie and adopt some good breeding practices. Never buy seeds from someone who never shows grow pics and reposts the same handful of pics all the time.

 

[Frosy]

truth is, there are more good beans out there of every type than ever before. Just look in your own seed stash, and then include others in your group or region. Weed is being grown in more places by more people then ever before in history, despite it's prohibition. Land race survive, and are spread around the globe. Indoor cultivation may seem limited in it's uniformity, but enough variables persist and are selected for that new varieties are generated. And when outdoor cultivation is legalized, we will see another explosion of breeding. And even now new landraces are slowly generated. my 2 cents.

 

[GrapeDRANK]

the best seeds i grow out and the most stable strains i grow are those iv acquired and swapped from fellow growers in my area that ave hed these strains passed down to the by fam members,better than anything iv ever purchased from a seed bank,though iv purchased seeds that have performed but i just dont think seed banks compare to actual growers bread and butter strains.

 

[englishrick]

great thread! unfortunetely the only way to hold these people to standards is by the way we consume their products.. posts like these are so important for us as consumers of seeds because it is such a deceptive market out there.. the truth needs to be available to us as consumers especially when it is up to us to inforce the standards.

yeh man,,your exactly right,,,,

1 of the reasons i love this place is because peeps are cool here, an they are willing to help,,i love helping peeps too

i think i became mates with indifferent in 06,,,,indifferent set me on the right track back in 06,,,,,,i was TOTALY confused about female seeds,,,,,i was convinced they sprayed the seeds with a hormone to stop male development,,,,,i didnt have a clue about selfing or revecing females,,,,,,it all clicked when i understood the XX and XY chromozone thing,

i was on Overgrow.com,,,,but i thought the internet was finished when OG whent down ,,,,icmag saved my life,,,,,i was dumb beffore 06, i was just a good grower trying to get cuts to suit my growing abilitys

 

[englishrick]

FFA ,,,,,,,,,,,,MSS x OGKA by Rez

OGKA x SD IBL by Rez
http://www.icmag.com/ic/showthread.php?t=118373


i hide my picks allover the net

 

[cannaboy]

I don't like seed companys because I like ripe seeds and seldom find seed's in the same catagory of condition of home made pips from any breeder/seed co their end quality is sub par and the packaging is a waste of time, I will say Rozdog's current auction price is a joke, and so are his bidders making a mockery of this herb/buisness with $$$ inflation. I like rez's stuff but someone needs to put their foot down and these prices if not it just will never get better as a global community if this carrys on the exceptence of MARIJUANA is negativealy afected further.. In a way that I wish I could send all the prospected $100+ seed buyers cats cuts for free as it should be. I never ever bought a seed pack and never ever will due to quality as a main factor but also as all the genetics I want are all dead and gone no more and that pisses me off. I want to give a breifcase of cash 2 a old hippie 4 his seed colection at auction 1 day,, I HOPE THERES A FEW COLECTIONS

 

[Red Swan]

Lots of good points in this thread.

But the truth is , lot's of people who want to grow are lazy slackers. Maybe it's fat kids who play video games all day. I don't know. But they don't want to know about genetics, they want a brand name. OOoooh it's got Chemdog D in it, and it's an ibl made in 6 months ! They are too lazy to choose males so they want feminized seeds. They are even to lazy to make their own crosses and save money , so they only grow from seed, but don't make any themselves. It boggles my mind.

These are the people who are cash cows, they 'll buy anything, so why not make a random OG kush cross charge a 150 for it. Then you can explain why a crappy yield is a sign of quality. ( I don't remember any crappy yielders in the 70's and 80's, we wanted big buds!)

For those people, they deserve what they buy. There was an auction where someone bid 1200 for SDIBL seeds recently. I made f2's and gave hundreds away over the last 3 years. Who's the dummy? Me giving them away for free or the sucker paying 1200?

But for someone who considers themselves and informed consumer, research before purchase is the balance.

When I wanted an honest opinion on BOG seeds,( Because I bought some years ago and was thinking of giving them away) I didn't ask at IC Mag where there are breeder groupies and true believers. I asked at another site and got some informative and interesting answers from good growers.
Ask the same of Rez and you will get the same....at another site.

The proof is in the pudding. That's what grow reports are for. .

Research grow reports, not just on one site, but many and if consistently you find good reports about a strain, then go for it.

If a breeder or seed strain gets consistently high marks, then that's what you go for.

Let the suckers get suckered. It's just business.

But if you are a passionate gardener, you will start to get passionate about what you like and explore those genetics.

The proof is in the pudding.

* posted this before the OGkush x whatever was posted above. Illustrated my point perfectly. No offense, didnt have anyone in mind when posting.

 

[Elevator Man]

truth is, there are more good beans out there of every type than ever before. Just look in your own seed stash, and then include others in your group or region.

There's definitely still quality landrace seeds available here and there, if you're lucky...and breeding from this kind of stock just has to produce more interesting futures than the usual bunk, IMO...just ask DJ Short...and Tom Hill...

 

[Rainman]

Great thread and I must admit I am one of these pollen chuckers. I dont agree with needing or wanting breeding standardized in cannabis. I enjoy the random nature of breeding with genetics and finding true gems that cant be found in homegenous stock. I dont want seeds that grow out and turn out like every other seed. The true art in breeding(to me) is being able to discover true gems in the rough with a trained eye that others may not be able to see. Why grow weed that looks like my neighbors weed? Why smoke the same stuff that everyone else is? Where is the art in making tomatos? Im not looking for homogeous standards and regulations in my breeding and I definately dont want it in my genetics. Also I gotta say this about the quality of weed from indoor vs outdoor. I grow both ways and the outdoor does produce more but 9 times outa 10, the indoor tastes and looks much better. How many of our elites came by way of mass breeding and homogenous stock? And one last point, I always thought IBL stood for "Ive been looking"!!!JK folks and some great info in these pages for sure.

 

[englishrick]

good people = good thread

 

[REDEYE_420]

This is a great thread! Some good points and counter points. I Will be lurking

Peace.

 

[mr noodles]

the price of seeds do not represent quality at all or the fact the socalled breeder wprk properly .

ive seen beans from seeds coe that are hated on the net produce nice buds , ive bough very expansive seeds to find they are not better than nirvana strain...

also , first crop from seeds are often not dialed at 100 % . i always do a 2 and a 3 run with a clone to see if i screwed or the strain was shit . at my great surprise sometime the 2 run is better than the original form seeds .

remember kids....all the elite clones came from a seeds and more often the people lie about the pedigre....some guy need so much attention that they lie on the spot when they found a special pheno from a seed pack...they release the cut with a name and they pretend its their strain...and here a local clone only legend

i also gave clone to a compulsive liar once, the result....he renamed the strain i gave him and he pretend to be the breeder and this guy never hatched a seeds in is life... (nebula from paradise ) the guy renamed it on is own and brag he created the strain...

get seeds and find the plant that will fit all your needs

i grow since 1985 and no ....im not a 'noob'