Sell Me On AF's,I Dare Ya!

[SGS]

And why is that?

Because, what you think is correct in your own head you try to state as fact, we try to help you understand but you dismiss it instantly. Enjoy confusing yourself with calculations that belong separately.

Like stated before AFs dont grow the same as 12/12 strains so to compare the 2 for More light hours = More production is flawed and pointless. Apples and Oranges man!

Hopefully you will get it sooner then later.



SGS

 

[Supernatural]

But it doesnt work that way, AFs grow normally when under at least 18 hours of light anything less they grow less well.

How does this impact on outdoor growing then? Does it mean that for harvests after midsummer-autumn you are better off growing regular strains?

I guess I am saying: given the choice of 16 hour days with roughly 5-6 hour direct sunlight or 18/6 (or 20/4) days under CFLs inside. . is the effect pronounced enough to mean that the inside route would be better?

Are they really not that happy below 18 hours or is it just not making full use of their potential?

Cheers

 

[SGS]

How does this impact on outdoor growing then? Does it mean that for harvests after midsummer-autumn you are better off growing regular strains?

I guess I am saying: given the choice of 16 hour days with roughly 5-6 hour direct sunlight or 18/6 (or 20/4) days under CFLs inside. . is the effect pronounced enough to mean that the inside route would be better?

Are they really not that happy below 18 hours or is it just not making full use of their potential?

Cheers

Sorry bro i should have been more specific, mainly it effects indoor AFs, outdoors bro the Sun is FAR stronger then what we could ever produce indoors. Giving the plants natural sunlight is nothing like giving them artifcial light from HIDs, LEDs, ect... Outdoors AFs usually grow much bigger then their indoors counterparts, but almost always take longer, this is prolly due to the lack of light hours. Im sure AFs outdoors with more light per day will finish faster then someone trying to grow AFs closer to the equator, where even hour days are common.

SGS

 

[highroller614]

Outside Autos

Outside Autos

How does this impact on outdoor growing then? Does it mean that for harvests after midsummer-autumn you are better off growing regular strains?

I guess I am saying: given the choice of 16 hour days with roughly 5-6 hour direct sunlight or 18/6 (or 20/4) days under CFLs inside. . is the effect pronounced enough to mean that the inside route would be better?

Are they really not that happy below 18 hours or is it just not making full use of their potential?

Cheers

Some guys don't grow outside with autos. I have in my own pots my numbers were as good as any indoor grow I've read about on here. A nice full day of sun trust me you will not be disappointed. IMO Inside growing will never out perform the sun, but keep in mind autos need regular matinence. thats why I like pots, you can move plants anytime. I have no experience doing auto's guirella style. But i hear they don't do so well. Hope this helps.

 

[Mr. Beanz]

1) With autos you can buy a bag of Miracle Grow with slow release nutrients and water absorbing crystals and almost forget about it for 2-3 months; come back and harvest it

2) Auto generally stay smaller than even the purest indicas.

3) Autos are hardy (forgiving). At least in my experience.

4) And most importantly, believe it or not, but not everybody that smokes weed wantts to grow it.
Auto's fill a niche where people would like to grow a little for themselves, but they don't want to dive into nutrients, timers, CO2, cloning, hydro/soil/soiless, light cycles, bulbs and ballasts, pH, organic/veganic, Advanced Nutes/Botanicare/Gen.Hydro/DutchMaster/Age Old/Humboltds Own/Atami/Canna/house and Garden craze etc...

I guess my answer is autos are a good plant for people who don't wanna grow weed.

 

[highroller614]

Good insight SGS.

 

[Supernatural]

Sorry bro i should have been more specific, mainly it effects indoor AFs, outdoors bro the Sun is FAR stronger then what we could ever produce indoors. Giving the plants natural sunlight is nothing like giving them artifcial light from HIDs, LEDs, ect... Outdoors AFs usually grow much bigger then their indoors counterparts, but almost always take longer, this is prolly due to the lack of light hours. Im sure AFs outdoors with more light per day will finish faster then someone trying to grow AFs closer to the equator, where even hour days are common.

SGS

Thanks, put my mind to rest. Turns out that having planted a seed early, she should be timed quite well for finishing. Put outside at beginning of May she'll have 15 hours ---> harvest mid/late June 17 hours.

The reason why I considered autos in the first place was to have a go at a sneaky early summer crop. Having them in a room while vegging out a regular sounds like an appealing alternative to patience too.

 

[skullznroses]

If you can breed your own Femmed AF's then they would be great for speedy summer crops.

But they are auto and 60 days to get to know a strain without the ability to clone and get intimate really leaves the quick seed stock breeding a challenge. Unless you hit every female and base your test on the hereafter results, which would be really time consuming and the whole purpose of a fast crop would be kind of ironic and defeated in that purpose.

Have fun

I just harvested about 100 seeds from a plant that I doused with pollen. Out of the 15 seeds I germed, I got 13 tails, and all 13 are above ground as of today. Im about to cut a plant that I pollenated only two small branches on. This plant is nice and big and I wouldn't be surprised in there are another 100 seeds on this one. Im psyched for the summer warmth to keep on shining in... I should have my first FREE batch of AFs under the sun in less then a month if all goes well. Innovation takes time, but it does pay off. Perhaps those femmed seeds aren't so far out of reach after all.

 

[RoomRaider]

Because, what you think is correct in your own head you try to state as fact, we try to help you understand but you dismiss it instantly. Enjoy confusing yourself with calculations that belong separately.

Like stated before AFs dont grow the same as 12/12 strains so to compare the 2 for More light hours = More production is flawed and pointless. Apples and Oranges man!

Hopefully you will get it sooner then later.



SGS

Hopefully so, but if you could help me out one last time. You say the calculations belong separate, that autos and reg. strains are apples and oranges. So why are you using GPW in the first place?

The thing that is irking me is you are using GPW calc, made for regular strains on a 12hour light cycle, but as you said reg strains and autos are apples and oranges. Autos are sprinters, the eat a whole lot more food and drink more water than reg strains.

With a reg. strain in full flower I can water once every 3-4 days, many strains same thing. But with 90% of my sour60s, when they are in full bloom I have to water every single day. That makes me believe that they use the extra light hours for extra production. Maybe not twice as much production, but still more-so than regular strains. (Also, when I was growing reg strains I had an open reflector, with autos I use a cooltube)

So sorry if I feel GPW without any kind of modification for autos is cheating and flawed itself, maybe you can explain to me as you would a child?

 

[Supernatural]

How about, as an alternative to modification:

"I got 1.2 gpw"

"Wow! was that regular or auto?"

"Auto"

"With my understanding of the differences between regular strains and autos, I know that you are likely to get a good gpw with autos but still, well done!"

"Cheers. I'm so glad that we didn't feel the need to come up with some modification factor as, quite frankly the Greek alphabet is all used up and my calculator keys have stuck with resin"

"Ho ho ho, you are a one!"

 

[RoomRaider]

Thats a good idea. GPW and GPW auto.. I guess. For benchmarking, and comparing against regular strains production wise I think "1GPW is to regular strains as 2GPW is to autos".

Out of all the people on this site, there is no beautiful mind type to come out with a GPKwhr? lol

Anyways, I'm done trying to rationalize this makes my head hurt, all I know is I'm going to shoot for double the yield, and when I achieve it, I will break it

How about, as an alternative to modification:

"I got 1.2 gpw"

"Wow! was that regular or auto?"

"Auto"

"With my understanding of the differences between regular strains and autos, I know that you are likely to get a good gpw with autos but still, well done!"

"Cheers. I'm so glad that we didn't feel the need to come up with some modification factor as, quite frankly the Greek alphabet is all used up and my calculator keys have stuck with resin"

"Ho ho ho, you are a one!"

 

[Supernatural]

I have no idea. I can gather that there is obviously a difference between the types - enough that it is not fair to compare regs and autos in that way. For the time being I am not sure if there is a particular conversion factor. There seems to be new generations of autos that are improving all the time.

Seems to be a lot of good work going on with commercial breeders and there are so many amateur breeders for autos too.

There are flaws to gpw (such as the time element / kWh) and it is always going to be strain dependant so it is useful for no more than a good indication of growing efficiency. People already have ideas in their heads where the different types of light should fit roughly in gpw and the same goes for different growing mediums etc. Makes sense to me to just keep the regular vs auto thing as another variable.

Maybe we could (people with experience, not I) could establish a rough range where you would expect an auto indoor run to pull. . Or like the other variables mentioned you could just have a rough number in your head.

 

[mitch_connor]

I guess we need a 'what are your auto's yielding thread' ?

Where people can share their data, Grow Room Size, Grow style, Plant number, Lighting, Days etc etc then we can get a benchmark.

The GPW/Day I think is better for efficiency, as the GPW alone can be achieved by vegging trees, What needs to be factored in is the Vegging time, so the whole cycle is covered,

This all makes my brain hurt to be honest. For a commercial setup it's obviously key to have all this info for your business but as a percy grower I'm happy with the basic calc just as a measure to myself to see how i'm doing.

 

[figment42]

Gram per kilowatt hour. There is a guy on youtube who is crazy about it.
Basically how much product for the electricity used.


I don't have a dog in this race. I don't even weight myself tho. I grow for head.
I start burning as soon as it will hold a cherry.

 

[wco68]

So hows the project going sgs. cant wait to hear how things are going.

 

[CapoDiesel]

If you take a normal plant, give him (it) light cycle +18h per day. Then, 3 weeks later, changing the light cicle to 12/12 (or more night hours if u want) plants will fact like an AF Plant. With a few weeks more for harvest.

Positive reasons for use AF, is for the people that don't have media or tools for growing normal cannabis, or don't have place and need little plants... Or only can grow 2 plants together and with AF will can grow and harvest every 2 months. Most important reason, time, when plants must be hidden not in home.

While during the ban (ban of cannabis), AF plants can be usefull

Yes, there is one only reason that i'll never understand is to grow AF plants in indoor.
of course it's waste of time/money/resources and useless.

Ending, if can choose, always choose normal plants, not AF.

 

[RoomRaider]

of course it's waste of time/money/resources and useless.

LMAO. Love when people who have never tried autos (or tried the first generation) chime in.

For the record, when I sell my crop, there are times when I shutdown the rest of the competition (I'm the only mersh auto grower), my bud gives everyone else's a run for their money.

Autos cannot touch elite regular strains, that is the best regular strains. But you can be damn sure autos smash A WHOLE HELLUVA LOT of regular strains.

 

[wco68]

Give af another 3-4 years they will be improved even more.they have came a log way from the first af. and will always improve.

 

[CapoDiesel]

LMAO. Love when people who have never tried autos (or tried the first generation) chime in.
.

Read carefully my post. Waste if you grow AF in indoor.
Autos can be usefull for many reasons, I didn't say not.

Look for in this sub-forum for my AF plants. And then speak.
,
P.D: Normal plant becames AF plant when you change hours of light, and you don't need to pay 10€ for 10g ofharvested weed

Yours, Capo.

 

[RoomRaider]

Ok, my bad. I just looked in your galleries, there is nothing in there. Haven't tried any of those strains you grew, closest thing was white dwarf, which is junk. Easyryder has a good high, but shit in duration, and both those were small plants.

I just take great offense when you say autoflowers are junk indoors. I do really need to branch out and see what you guys are growing, cuz sour60 is an exceptional plant indoors. I just need to tweak the space a little and I will be able to pull ~2lbs off a 400w light.

For the first 21-30 days the plants are under 4ft shoplights, 3 of em for 240w (that covers 60-70 plants in dixie cups). After sexing (21-30days) I transplant to 1gal and move under the 400w.

I use to only start about 50 seeds, getting ~20 plants which gets me just over a LB, or just shy, depends. Now I'll be doing 150 seeds, so about 400w-480w of shoplights. So before I was only using 240w of fluros for half the grow (only 30 days of using a 400w light).

Now with the extra plants, it will be a full 400w the whole grow (half the grow under fluros, half under the HPS) and those extra plants should push me over 2lbs (going to need an umbrella reflector to distribute the light as best as possible, maybe even a mover aswell)

That is pretty damn good considering I didn't have to clone shit. I have some regular strains going right now to benchmark against sour60 in potency. Its already been over 2 months and they are still not quite ready to take clones (can get a couple, not a feasible amount for a 2lb grow). I have been LSTing, so there has been minimal stress. (once they are ready tho, i'll have over 16 cuts per plant to begin with, but in the same amount of time I could have had over 10,000+ seeds if I had decided to seed my autoflower crop)

And I would like to mention that sour60 has been cleaned up drastically, phenotypes express themselves in bud structure, the plant structure is pretty damn similar with maybe 3 variations. So you will have a pretty even canopy, there will be short hydra bushes, med. plants with long, fat colas, and then your large sativa phenotype. Majority are the med. plants.

So yeah, autoflowers are far from useless indoors.