How to break the stereotypes and finally be taken seriously as a movement?

[TurboDog]

I fully understand the people who want to look orgiional and express themselfs by dying their hair,dreds,piercings ect. i however think, its moronic, stupid and ignorant for them to dress like this and beyond with ass hat shit liek pot leaf capes and tophats and weed sunglasses and shit for a protest, wasting resources and credibility in teh press when they could have dressed decent and made a better impression. wtf is the point in rallying to legalize if your not going full blown on the image, its like your working against your organized event. front page on cnn " will america legalize weed? rally in washington" front page image is 10,000 kids with potcapes,tophats,sunglasses shaped liek weed, pink,blue and yellow hair, dreds and crazy makeup, mowhawks, huge pants from hot topic, dirty looking grungy people by the hords all smoking joints....ANY ONE who sees that is going to be like,....yea, right....thats all we need, is to legalize marijuana and let these people infiltrat our communities...look at what this stuff dose to the children, o think of the children.... would you walk into court trying to convince the judge your innocent in some grundgey ass shit, with your hair all colored and fucked up with a marley shirt on, or would you dress like a douchbag in a suite? the idea is to get america to be like, he these people are like you and me, look at them in that photo, that guy has a polo shirt on, and look at that guy, he looks smart and like he works in a office. not, if they legalize this stuff, my children and neighbors might look like a multicolored shaggy rug that dropped out of high school and cant keep his eyes open. im not judging, I am pissed that these people yes, THESE KIDNS OF PEOPLE, can't get their shit together for their organized rallys and events. WE HAVE TO OUTSMART THEM, and be deceptive. wear what ever the fuck you want around town, but dress to infiltrate at a rally, or any cannabis event so any photo coverage is "normal" looking people who smoke.

 

[ambition]

It's a real strange juxtaposition, this attempt at becoming "norml", isn't it?

On one hand, even the dumbest amongst us see it's a rigged game; this country is finished, broken, and utterly unworthy of fighting for. Yet we're trying to sort of earn the approval of the masses.

It's a gross feeling. I think I'd rather stay on the outskirts and risk prison than ever wear a suit and try to convince a Young Earth, anti-evolution, Christian Republican that I should be able to smoke a J in my living room.


In summary: it'll take a few more generations, and by that time the corporations will have found the most efficient way to market cannabis, which was the problem all along.

 

[Andyo]

edge of jungle

edge of jungle

From where im living on the edge of a tropical jungle in sight of the beach,bare foot in a pair of shorts .
The whole cannabis deal appears ridiculous
If it grows in nature i cant see what the problem is, oh wait yes humans think themselves intelligent rofl .
As ridiculous as a shirt and tie.
I fact america appears ridiculous .A

 

[alpo]

do you think it would be better to just decriminalize cannabis like in Amsterdam and just have it tolerated. that way big corporations don't control the market and the growers and sellers still have jobs. or would it be better to legalize 100% so the police aren't picking and choosing who they arrest.

 

[lockehead]

Just smoke weed. and dont give a **** about it. but dont smoke in front of coppers. Thats my 2cents.

 

[jd4083]

Where do you get this idea that cannabis is NOT "miracle drug" & why do we NOT want to use the medical card! Do yourself a favor look google "Sativex"! Seriously cannabis is a very good medicine a lot better for nerve pain than anything out of a bottle I know from personal experience! You act like you really don't believe that cannabis is medicine!

That is not at all the case. I use cannabis in conjunction with exercise and my doctor's legitimate treatment plan for back pain, so I understand that it does have medical benefits if used properly. However, I am not so utterly delusional as to believe that it is a treatment plan in and of itself, or that using cannabis will preclude one from needing to use an actual treatment plan.

 

[crazybear]

That is not at all the case. I use cannabis in conjunction with exercise and my doctor's legitimate treatment plan for back pain, so I understand that it does have medical benefits if used properly. However, I am not so utterly delusional as to believe that it is a treatment plan in and of itself, or that using cannabis will preclude one from needing to use an actual treatment plan.

Did you google Sativex? It is going to be hard as hell to persuade mainstream america to legalize medical cannabis let alone totally legalize cannabis if everybody is not on the same page!
It is hard to understand what it like for people to deal with constant pain! Don't get me wrong I'm not saying you don't have back pain , but it's different when it's to the point that you have back surgery & that doesn't make the pain better & to even have to deal with supposed "pain" specialists is even harder when a MRI & that doesn't show the problem!
Nothing will ever take all the pain away for people like me & many others that suffer from many debilitating problems! But for many of us myself included it allows us to help deal with the pain, instead of drugs that put you in a stupor if you can even get medication! I talk from experience unfortunately!

 

[HempKat]

Well the way I see it there's not much point in worrying about the stereotypes with all this internal division within the ranks of the community. Why should anyone take us seriously if there is so much internal fighting? So what that people like to use it recreationally and some feel the effects have mind expanding properties? If it weren't for effects like that and people using it recreationally there probably would be no such thing as medical marijuana. Likewise for the people that want to enjoy it recreationally, fine but do it in a way where you don't screw things up for people that do need it medically. Namely don't be trying to game the system to take advantage of a medical option to get your recreational groove on. Either grow your own or buy it from someone that does.

Rather then being divided and approaching marijuana reform from just the personal interests of our subgroups why not approach it from what we all share in common? Which is the right to choose what we put into our bodies. Our bodies were designed thru evolution to have even at birth, cannabinoid receptors in our brain to allow for the use of cannabinoids and what certain ones can do. Marijuana was designed by evolution to be a rich source of cannabinoids, just as fruits and vegtables are rich sources of vitamins and minerals. By divine right or nature's design mankind was meant to use marijuana and as such we should be allowed to do so or not do so, freely and with no threat of punishment if we do decide to use it.

 

[El Toker]

Our bodies were designed thru evolution to have even at birth, cannabinoid receptors in our brain to allow for the use of cannabinoids and what certain ones can do.

Marijuana was designed by evolution to be a rich source of cannabinoids, just as fruits and vegtables are rich sources of vitamins and minerals. By divine right or nature's design mankind was meant to use marijuana and as such we should be allowed to do so or not do so, freely and with no threat of punishment if we do decide to use it.

That makes no sense in terms of evolution. Cannabinoid receptors exist in much less sophisticated brains in mammals, birds, fish and reptiles. It's just a happy coincidence. Unless of course you want to argue that a goldfish was born to use cannabis.

Of course you could still invoke god or some other supernatural explanation, religion is useful for making silly claims that don't make sense. But please don't try to pretend that there's any science behind what your saying.

It's this kind of woolly bullshit that does the damage.

 

[DiscoBiscuit]

I don't think it's bullshit, ET. Mammals, birds, fish and reptiles have cannabinoid receptors because their bodies generate cannainoids related to those found in cannabis.

Endocannabinoids are substances produced from within the body that activate cannabinoid receptors.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cannabinoids

 

[HUGE]

" you laugh at me because I look different, I laugh at you because you all look the same. "
Bob Marley

 

[JohnnyCannabean]

I do my small part by wearing my Re-Legalize shirts as much as possible and being as polite as possible to anyone I may come across. 'Please', 'thank you', and 'have a nice day' go an awfully long way when trying to change people's minds, especially when you've got a large pot leaf drawn on your shirt.

 

[El Toker]

I don't think it's bullshit, ET. Mammals, birds, fish and reptiles have cannabinoid receptors because their bodies generate cannainoids related to those found in cannabis.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cannabinoids

I've really got no idea of how what your saying contradicts what I was saying.

What are you actually saying there?

 

[sac beh]

That makes no sense in terms of evolution. Cannabinoid receptors exist in much less sophisticated brains in mammals, birds, fish and reptiles. It's just a happy coincidence. Unless of course you want to argue that a goldfish was born to use cannabis.

Of course you could still invoke god or some other supernatural explanation, religion is useful for making silly claims that don't make sense. But please don't try to pretend that there's any science behind what your saying.

It's this kind of woolly bullshit that does the damage.

I think you may be misinterpreting what HempKat was saying. I don't think he meant to invoke religion, it was just an example.

It seems the thrust of what he's saying is simply that evolution has given us, and other species, cannabinoid receptors which play crucial roles in our biochemistry through the action cannabinoids. One of the most obvious benefits, then, of cannabis is its ability to act on the endocannabinoid system to help regulate a number of diseases and chemical imbalances.

 

[DiscoBiscuit]

I've really got no idea of how what your saying contradicts what I was saying.

What are you actually saying there?

I guess I could have linked to endocannabinoids too. You'd get a scientific explanation how they and cannabinoid receptors function.

Doesn't necessarily have to be religious or coinkidink. Man evolved alongside cannabis to use it - or not.

 

[HempKat]

That makes no sense in terms of evolution. Cannabinoid receptors exist in much less sophisticated brains in mammals, birds, fish and reptiles. It's just a happy coincidence. Unless of course you want to argue that a goldfish was born to use cannabis.

Of course you could still invoke god or some other supernatural explanation, religion is useful for making silly claims that don't make sense. But please don't try to pretend that there's any science behind what your saying.

It's this kind of woolly bullshit that does the damage.

There is science behind it and if goldfish do in fact have cannabinoid receptors then they were in fact designed to use marijuana.

What causes damage is someone failing to comprehend what they read and then declaring it woolly bullshit.

All creatures on the planet evolved to make use of the resources this planet has. It's called adapting to your environment. Why else would you have receptors in your brain for something only found in a plant in your environment?

Personally I don't believe in God, at least not in the way most people do. I only mentioned divine right because some people do believe in God and see him as the creator. Me I believe in what we call Mother Nature and evolution. Either way though, clearly our bodies were made to work with marijuana. To deny it is to go thru life with blinders on.

 

[HempKat]

I think you may be misinterpreting what HempKat was saying. I don't think he meant to invoke religion, it was just an example.

It seems the thrust of what he's saying is simply that evolution has given us, and other species, cannabinoid receptors which play crucial roles in our biochemistry through the action cannabinoids. One of the most obvious benefits, then, of cannabis is its ability to act on the endocannabinoid system to help regulate a number of diseases and chemical imbalances.

Exactly, and like I said in the previous post, I only mentioned divine right because some people, quite a few in fact, actually do believe in God and see him as the creator of all life. The bottomline is we are born with the physical ability to interact directly with the chemicals found in marijuana. By directly I mean our brains are meant to specifically be able to work with the cannabinoids in marijuana. Most drugs our bodies weren't designed to work with but rather man has created drugs that can bind to receptors meant for other things.

 

[El Toker]

There is science behind it and if goldfish do in fact have cannabinoid receptors then they were in fact designed to use marijuana..

Of course, I've seen lots of nature documentaries showing goldfish jumping out of ponds and flipping themselves slowly toward the nearest growth of Marijuana.

 

[HempKat]

You think that goldfish evolved with cannabinoid receptors so that they could use the marijuana plant. Even though that plant doesn't grow in water in the wild?

Thanks for proving the point I made in the first post in this thread.

Of course, I've seen lots of nature documentaries showing goldfish jumping out of ponds and flipping themselves slowly toward the nearest growth of Marijuana.

No I don't think that because I don't think gold fish have cannabinoid recptors. You're the one trying to make that case. I'm just playing along with your little fairytale what if's and saying that if in fact goldfish have cannabinoid receptors then they too were created by evolution or God (whichever you believe in) to use marijuana.

 

[El Toker]

By directly I mean our brains are meant to specifically be able to work with the cannabinoids in marijuana. Most drugs our bodies weren't designed to work with but rather man has created drugs that can bind to receptors meant for other things.

sorry but that's stoned fantasy without a shred of evidence or logic to back it up.