Vegan Organics with Professor Matt Rize

[Microbeman]

Some of us just want to buy soluble ready to feed organics. Some of us work full time jobs and have families, and want to devote any time to them. Organics can be as simple or complex as one chooses.

This comment by the professor caught my attention. He claims that an organic product is soluble. Now to my way of interpreting organic amendments this is contradictory. There are some ionized nutrients in supposedly organic products but to advertise them as already soluble and in a form ready to be assimilated by roots….I dunno.

Anyway I thought if I took a look at the Biocanna website, http://www.biocanna-organics.com/site/index.html I’d find the NPK analysis which would reveal the percentage of soluble nutrients. No such luck. What a difficult website to navigate and very little factual information is given in sales-pitch tone seemingly directed at kindergarten children.

From the website;

BIOCANNA fertilizers are produced following a complex process. An important step in this process is fermentation. Fermentation is the breaking down of complex substances by means of micro-organisms. Among other things, fermentation is used in the production of wine and beer.

Sounds like they might be using EM?

After years of research on special micro-organisms and vegetable raw produce, CannaResearch has succeeded in developing a 100%-controlled fermentation process. This makes it possible to obtain a consistent product with exactly the right mineral composition and organic ingredients. The substances in BIOCANNA products are immediately absorbable, and stimulate the plant's metabolism and resistance. In addition, they improve the soil quality and the biodiversity.

Again with the ‘immediately absorbable’

Thanks to their unique fermentation process, BIOCANNA products are rich in bioactive substances, such as fruit acids and oligosaccharines.
The Introduction Of BIOCANNA Fertilizers Makes the First Liquid Biological Fertilizers A Reality

Bioactive; Biological Fertilizers – nice catch phrases. Actually I think Dr. Higa and those before him can claim prior production of biological fertilizers.

BIOCANNA products and CANNA products are quality products.
CANNA products have been specially developed for an optimum interaction between the nutritional elements and the growth medium, based on the
Interdisciplinary research is needed for the application of Precision Agriculture in practice in order to achieve an integrated cultivation system based on adaptive management. It is not yet clear what form a practical business guidance system in the field of Precision Agriculture will take in the future.

With Precision Agriculture it is a question of the strategic, tactical and operational aspects. In contrast with industrial products, the limiting conditions for open cultivation are difficult to predict given the changeable weather conditions.', ;precision farming theory , in which the plant is fed directly and precisely.

Sounds familiar….like chemical growing.

BIOCANNA has been developed from the point of view of organic farming and is also based on direct as well as indirect nutrition to the plant. This means that BIOCANNA products stimulate the microflora around the roots, which helps the plant absorb the necessary nutrients and also protects the plant's root environment. A complex ecosystem is created, and it is kept in balance at all times by the plants in conjunction with other organisms.

The microflora which helps the plant absorb nutrients? Which is it? Immediately available or microbially processed? Both, they claim but do not offer any percentages of ionic form nutrients. This does not encourage confidence in the product from my perspective. Perhaps there is more information I’m missing.

A healthy soil with immediately-absorbable and bound minerals requires a lot of attention in biological farming and is closely connected to the three principles on which biological farming is based.

Huh? That’s new on me. And you think they are going to tell you the three principles…

Organic fertilizers, however, may still contain animal substances - something that the conscious biological grower prefers to avoid.

Biological or organic products are said to be good for you and healthy. Many companies cleverly use this fact and call their products biological or organic. However, a critical comment must be made here: not all products bearing a 'bio' label are biological or organic and these products are not by definition harmless. BIOCANNA fertilizers have been legally tested on these criteria. Therefore, always cultivate in an honest and sustainable way!

Legally tested? Let’s see.

Organic fertilizers can contain fertilizers that are harmful to the environment and to crops. Research has regularly confirmed that heavy metals, soil pollution and toxic substances from pesticides build up in ecosystems. This means that when these substances end up in the environment, they will be absorbed by plants or micro-organisms. Due to the fact that the toxic substances are often soluble in fat, they are not secreted - they build up instead. The plants and micro-organisms are eaten by other organisms, which in turn are eaten again. Eventually these substances end up in our food in concentrated form and therefore also in us. In concentrated form, these substances are harmful to our health. Toxic substances always end up being digested by us. BIOCANNA fertilizers are legally tested on these criteria. Therefore, always cultivate in an honest and sustainable way!
This is possible by using legally-certified bio fertilizers. Read more …page 2

Lots of catchy words….honest….sustainable. Again with the legally tested. Where?

Growth problems can also arise when too much organic material is present in the root environment. This is a problem with many organic fertilizers. In such cases, the nutrients combine with the organic material, resulting in the plant being no longer able to absorb them. BIOCANNA fertilizers contain the exact proper combination of nutrients and organic material and therefore do not cause these common problems.

Too much organic material is a problem? Well yes if it is buried non-degraded material but what the heck are they talking about?

Besides these immediate positive effects from the use of BIOCANNA products, you are also less exposed to pesticides, which are in general very harmful to your health. Your final product will not contain any pesticides, which is why consuming it does not carry any extra health risk. BIOCANNA products can reduce the use of such toxic substances, so that we keep ourselves and our environment healthy.

And we all know that other organic fertilizers are loaded with pesticides.
Did you see the three principles on which biological farming is based? Let me know.

Being frustrated with finding the NPK percentages in these products, I phoned up OMRI as I often do to get answers concerning products. They did not have that info but they did tell me that the Bio Vega and Bio Flores products contain synthetic micronutrients. I don’t know exactly what this implies but perhaps our learned fellow could elucidate.

From OMRI

Bio Vega and Bio Flores

Restriction:
May be used only in cases where soil or plant nutrient deficiency for the synthetic micronutrients being applied is documented by soil or tissue testing.

 

[DARC MIND]

the yarrow in my image is in fact achillea millefolium 'island pink'
a native perennial to california, the yarrow i used to ferment 5 gals of goodness was wild yarrow found growing alond the side of a mountain trail.
overall yarrow is a hardy plant, easy to grow/spread,& makes a bomb tea for starting ones day & plant growth

 

[Microbeman]

the yarrow in my image is in fact achillea millefolium 'island pink'
a native perennial to california, the yarrow i used to ferment 5 gals of goodness was wild yarrow found growing alond the side of a mountain trail.
overall yarrow is a hardy plant, easy to grow/spread,& makes a bomb tea for starting ones day & plant growth

I use white yarrow

 

[spurr]

Here are two threads of mine folks might find of interest, these are on topic to ions, etc:

"Info about DON vs. ions: plants don't only use ions"
https://www.icmag.com/ic/showthread.php?t=190599

I provide many references (full text) in that thread, which I started at the behest of a buddy to challenge claims made by G3H (a seed breeder and ICmag sponsoer)

I am writing this because many people think plants only use ions as 'food', and that is not a correct assumption.

Most plants will not die right away from lack of ions. However, I can not think of a situation where plants will not have access to ions in nature from either the rhizosphere, phyllosphere, soil solution or via. microbial loop or organic matter mineralization (i.e. solubilization) .

Plants use a few forms of N, P, etc, most notable is the use of DON (Dissolved Organic Nitrogen) such as 15N, glycine, etc; and plants use of DOP (Dissolved Organic Phosphorous). Plants do use ions more readily and for the lions share of 'food', however, it is inaccurate to claim: "Without those inorganic minerals plants could not live."

Plants do fare better when they have access to ions either from chem ferts, microbial loop and/or organic matter mineralization (thanks to exudates from roots and microbes that solublize ions from organic matter into the soil solution and the rhizosphere); however, plants use a decent amount of DON as an N source when DON is available.

In essence the claim above is correct, in that plants do best with a source of ions, however, to claim plants need ions to live is not accurate. I have many references I could cite to peer-reviewed academic papers published in respected journals if ppl would like to read more on this topic.

spurr

"Plants self-regulate uptake of ions; they control it, not us, unless we overdo ferts"
https://www.icmag.com/ic/showthread.php?t=190653

Plants can self-regulate uptake of N, P, Ca, Mg, etc, etc. Thus they control what they absorb by the amounts of certain amino acids in the phloem. For N, plants can not self-regulate uptake of ammonicial N, which is why ammonicial N can cause phtyotoxicity (if the plant can't move enough sugar to the roots to convert the ammonicial N).

The way it works is uptake of nitrate (for example) means increased amino acids in plant because the ions (ex. nitrate) are converted to amino acids inside the plant, thus once a critical level of amino acid is present in phloem the plant will reduce/stop uptake of nitrates. And AFAIK, if one adds too much nitrates to the water they can bypass the plant self-limitation due to osmotic factors, thus causing phytotoxicity.

I am currently study the effects of various mixes of GH flora series ferts upon microbes in aerated compost tea and upon microbes from soil extracts. I am studying the GH mix's of G3h's formula, the Lucas formula and of my own GH formula of 6ml/6ml/6ml (G/M/B) with 5 ml Calmag+, 2.5 ml ProTekt, 5 ml kelp extract and 5 ml hydrolyzed fish. I do not use chem ferts to grow cannabis, but there is much debate about chem ferts effects upon soil biota, thus I hope to get some data and show what is, and is not happening to microbes from application of chem ferts.

Because I use amino acids and proteins from the kelp and hydrolyzed fish (aka fish hydrolysate) I thought I should post some info about how plants can use those sources of DON (Dissolved Organic Nitrogen) directly without microbes breaking them down into ions:

"Nutrient Media for Plant Tissue Cultures"
University of Florida, Horticultural Science Dept.
http://www.hos.ufl.edu/mooreweb/Tiss...Medium I.doc

One of the first decisions that must be made when developing a tissue culture system is what medium to use. Nutrient media for plant tissue culture are designed to allow plant tissues to be maintained in a totally artificial environment. Many different tissue culture media have been developed, but only a few have found wide-spread use, e.g. MS (Murashige and Skoog, 1962). SH (Shenck and Hildebrandt), and Gamborg's B5. One of the most successful media, devised by Murashige and Skoog (Murashige and Skoog, 1962) was formulated by analyzing the inorganic components in tobacco plants and then adding them to medium in amounts similar to those found in the plants. Not only did they find that the ions themselves were important, but the forms in which the ions were supplied were critical as well.

In addition to mineral elements, the macro- and micronutrients that are similar to what is found in fertilizers, nutrient media also contain organic compounds such as vitamins, plant growth regulators, and a carbon source.

...

Nitrogen may also be added to medium in an organic form, as amino acids such as proline or glutamine, hydrolysates (such as casein hydrolysate), or, as above, as organic acids. Organic nitrogen is already reduced, i.e. in the form in which most nitrogen exists in the plant, and so may be taken up more readily than inorganic nitrogen. The organic forms are often added to media that do not contain ammonium. However, almost always, some inorganic nitrogen is present.

 

[Microbeman]

spurr

Thank you for you informative post. This specific s. peat product, Alaska Peat, is from a single source in North Alberta Province. I found this out by visiting the Canadian trade group that lists their members (Sun Gro Horticulture, Premier Hortriculture, et al.) and their production numbers per year of harvested peat mosses as well as which province they're harvesting in. Interesting industry from what I could tell.

And the name 'Alaska Peat' is just that - the name. It's not the origin of the product. Not sure why they choose that name though.Thank you once again for your post. It ties up several loose ends for me. Very comprehensive and technically accurate.

I think that Spurr has a better grasp on the anion exchange than I at present, however I do wish to point out that there is much which is yet unknown and much of what we see in published articles comes from a smattering of research/trials often with certain variables overlooked or not testable.

I am 'highly' suspicious and dubious concerning the 'potential evidence' that endomycorrhizal fungi growth is somehow hindered by sphagnum peat moss as a media or amendment. This comes from years of observing massive fungal hyphae complexes growing in sphagnum peat moss, some of which were absolutely ectomycorrhizal (not AM) (others were fungi-imperfecti). (Ectomycorrhizal enjoys an acidic environ) However, I have not specifically researched this but I promise that within a year, that and much more will be revealed.

 

[spurr]

This comment by the professor caught my attention. He claims that an organic product is soluble. Now to my way of interpreting organic amendments this is contradictory. There are some ionized nutrients in supposedly organic products but to advertise them as already soluble and in a form ready to be assimilated by roots….I dunno.

Anyway I thought if I took a look at the Biocanna website, http://www.biocanna-organics.com/site/index.html I’d find the NPK analysis which would reveal the percentage of soluble nutrients. No such luck. What a difficult website to navigate and very little factual information is given in sales-pitch tone seemingly directed at kindergarten children.

Great post, I agree BIoCanna makes themselves sound pretty silly and they count on people not critically thinking/analyzing their un-referenced claims.

About using dissolved organic nutrients without microbes breaking it down into ions first: it does happen, but not to a degree surpassing uptake of ions. I think the post I made above this one might provide some depth BioCanna did not provide. I do however think most claims from BioCanna are bullshi*, like what you pointed out. BioCanna is just a chem company masquerading as a scientifically sound biological organic company. And I hazard a guess that the professor and Kyle Kushman are on the pay roll of BioCanna...

Nice work

 

[VerdantGreen]

One reason coco coir (pith) is possibly better than peat is that a few types of peat (ex. black peat, s.peat, etc) have been shown to hinder some AM fungi, while coir has been shown to not hinder the same AM fungi. This is not a hard and fast rule, but there is increasing evidence of this phenomenon. What I have not found is if application of lime (to raise media pH) makes s.peat a better 'home' for some AM fungi.


While I know you directed this to microbeman, I will offer some humble insights I have: the release of citric acid in the rhizosphere and soil solution by some microbes keeps P anions in soluble form, which is good because P anions are readily made insoluble when bonded to some ions and organic matter (not in terms of anion exchange capacity of media particles). This is one main reason plants have evolved to need less P than N or K (due to high rate of once soluble P anions made insoluble and thus lowering movement of P anions within soil solution). Roots also exude large amounts of citric acid having the same effect upon P anions as citric acid exudation by microbes. Also, the acidic exudates from roots and microbes (such as citric acid) increases mineralization of P anions from organic matter such as soft rock phosphate; that is why weakly acidic media is better for solublization of P from organic matter.

Another example is one of carbonic acid (Co2 + water), which is weakly acidic. Because some bacteria prefer neutral to basic pH they will release exudates the break down carbonic acid back into Co2 and water. This in effect keeps rhizosphere and soil solution pH from dropping too far due to carbonic acid considering carbonic acid has a fairly substantial effect upon pH and mineralization of organic matter.

spurr - awesome and informative posts - thanks - it looks like we have another real expert on these subjects.
do you have any links that go further into the role of citric acid? it;s something ive been trying to research after being convinced that the citric acid im using to lower my water pH was having many benefits for my plants. ive found bits and pieces like the soft rock phosphate P availability, but not much on citric acid exudate.
thanks again, gonna check out your thread now.

VG

 

[spurr]

...however I do wish to point out that there is much which is yet unknown and much of what we see in published articles comes from a smattering of research/trials often with certain variables overlooked or not testable.

100% agree.

I am 'highly' suspicious and dubious concerning the 'potential evidence' that endomycorrhizal fungi growth is somehow hindered by sphagnum peat moss as a media or amendment. This comes from years of observing massive fungal hyphae complexes growing in sphagnum peat moss, some of which were absolutely ectomycorrhizal (not AM) (others were fungi-imperfecti). (Ectomycorrhizal enjoys an acidic environ) However, I have not specifically researched this but I promise that within a year, that and much more will be revealed.

In terms of some AM fungi, and some endomycorhizal fungi (other than Glomus genus) being hindered by some peat, I do not know why they have been found to be hindered vs. growth in coir. Only that it has been found in some types of peat with some AM fungi and some endomycorrhizal fungi. It could be pH issues, or it could be from tannic acid present in some peat in various amounts, or some other reason. What is hindered, from my understating of the limited (4 or 5) papers I have found, is that growth of extraradical mycelium/hyphae into bulk media (i.e. size of the mycosphere), and degree of sporulation is hindered, but not prevented. From my (limited) understanding of this topic, some peat doesn't prevent growth or health of some AM fungi in total, but has been found to reduce growth vs. growth of same fungi in coir. This is still an open question, and I look forward to your data.

FWIW, I have found more studies showing AM fungi spores can germinate not in presence of host roots. Some endomycorrhizal fungi (like AM fungi) spores can/do germinate on agar broth without host root exudates, but further growth is not possible without host roots. I have not looked into this topic very far, and my understanding is limited at this time, but as far as I understand the research of a few (many?) scientists have succeeded in germinating AM fungi spores on agar nutrient broth. This is separate than the study about AM fungi growth using that one obscure bacteria as 'food'.

Like you wrote, much more (well designed) study needs to be devoted to these topics; I think the evidence thus far is compelling but far from conclusive .

 

[spurr]

do you have any links that go further into the role of citric acid?

Yes, I can provide references tomorrow I think, can't post much more today, I have already spent too much time here.

it;s something ive been trying to research after being convinced that the citric acid im using to lower my water pH was having many benefits for my plants. ive found bits and pieces like the soft rock phosphate P availability, but not much on citric acid exudate.

I too add citric acid to my water, not to lower pH (even tho that is a side effect) but to increase Krebs cycle and P anion solubility.

 

[VerdantGreen]

OF COURSE EVERYTHING HAS TO DO WITH SOURCING. That is my whole point, read labels and think. I also take phylum into account when considering about forms of life.

I've read, and would post but not trying to go negative here, many things about guano harvesting and the environmental impacts of said practices. Not so sure that worm farming has the same negative affect on biodiversity that wild harvesting has

FARMED VS. WILD HARVESTED. Think about it.

In addition. Guano being used these days is from fresh sources, as ancient deposits have long been exhausted. Animal organics has allowed mankind to flourish over the past 1000 years, but the massive accumulations are long gone. This means that guanos are now from fresh sources, which brings up bioaccumulation and bats/birds as biovectors. I've also read the guano harvesting is somewhat indiscriminate, in that they scrap up everything on the cave floors. The "everything" includes dead bats, and other animals that died in the cave.

BUT, I much prefer bat over bird, anyday, and I have only recently cut the bat shit out.

ps. i assume we all have vegetable fed worm bins... the long time organic crew at least.

thanks for the response matt, i am lucky to have fair trade and eco-friendly guano available to me - both fresh and ancient.
im glad you take the environment into consideration - though i presume the bio canna soil is imported from holland?

i agree that arguing too much over the definition of 'vegan' and 'professor' is a little pointless, but you must see it from the point of view of real vegans and real professors. im not a vegan, but have been a vegetarian for nearly 25 years and my choice not to use dead animal based ferts is largely informed by that

and im sure you can understand that for a real doctor or professor who has spent many years earning the title, that they aren't going to be very impressed with someone who has just decided to call themselves that to illustrate their self proclaimed expertise in a certain field.

cheers

VG

 

[CT Guy]

Was there ever any definitive conclusion on whether the addition of AM fungi was even beneficial with cannabis due to it's colonization period required (I assume active spores or re-use of soils would be different).

Also, what ever happened with the information regarding trichoderma and the inhibition of colonization of AM fungi, since most myco products have it already, including the stuff from Dr. Mike at Mycorrhizal Applications?

This thread makes me want to go back to school! Got my masters in the wrong field.

~CT

PS: Spurr, welcome to IC Mag, good to have you. This is how I like to see someone join our forum, with an open mind and informative posts. I got eaten alive when I first got on here speaking about ACT (and I didn't give myself any particular titles), but over time as I shared information both from microscope testing and independent sources people became more accepting and friendly and now I love these guys!

 

[VerdantGreen]

Yes, I can provide references tomorrow I think, can't post much more today, I have already spent too much time here.



I too add citric acid to my water, not to lower pH (even tho that is a side effect) but to increase Krebs cycle and P anion solubility.

thanks spurr, look forward to it

 

[Clackamas Coot]

VG

How much citric acid do you add to your water?

Thanks!

CC

 

[Microbeman]

Was there ever any definitive conclusion on whether the addition of AM fungi was even beneficial with cannabis due to it's colonization period required (I assume active spores or re-use of soils would be different).

Also, what ever happened with the information regarding trichoderma and the inhibition of colonization of AM fungi, since most myco products have it already, including the stuff from Dr. Mike at Mycorrhizal Applications?

This thread makes me want to go back to school! Got my masters in the wrong field.

~CT

PS: Spurr, welcome to IC Mag, good to have you. This is how I like to see someone join our forum, with an open mind and informative posts. I got eaten alive when I first got on here speaking about ACT (and I didn't give myself any particular titles), but over time as I shared information both from microscope testing and independent sources people became more accepting and friendly and now I love these guys!

I would guess the highest possibility of AM infection, using only AM spores, will occurr with cannabis if the spores are introduced, either at the time of prepping a cutting for rooting or planting a seed. If one coats the roots of a transplanted young plant and provides up to a 6 or even 8 week vegatative period prior to flower then there are decent odds for infection.

As far as Trichoderma being included with AM spores in a product, there is evidence on both sides of this issue. One side states there is no inhibitory effect inflicted on AM sprouting/infection in the presence of Trich spores. The other side states there is an inhibitory effect from Trich. The perponderance of published studies supports the side which shows an inhibitory effect by Trichoderma fungi species on the growth and infection by AM fungi species.

Logic also bears this out. Trichoderma is a fast growing fungi; it is easy to germinate and grow overnight; it attacks other fungal species through degadation of the outer membrane; it has shown some synergistic tendencies with roots of plants. One might conclude that if Trichoderma spores are included in a product with AM spores that it will outgrow and displace AM fungi.

If one is using such a product and sees positive results, these results could be from the Trich. species alone or one or more of the other many microbial ingredients (ectomychorrhizal, bacteria). I would personally bet on the Trichoderma, as it has been shown to have positive benefits on its own.

But, logic does not always prevail.

 

[Matt Rize]

I don't get paid by any nute company

I don't get paid by any nute company

And I hazard a guess that the professor and Kyle Kushman are on the pay roll of BioCanna...

We should be... if only your paranoid delusions were true I'd have some extra income.

Either way this thread has already brought together many great ideas. Thanks for the contributions folks.

 

[Matt Rize]

Yeah, not worried about the popularity contest...

Yeah, not worried about the popularity contest...

PS: I got eaten alive when I first got on here speaking about ACT (and I didn't give myself any particular titles), but over time as I shared information both from microscope testing and independent sources people became more accepting and friendly and now I love these guys!

That is why I don't sweat the hate. It comes no matter what site, what name you make up, what topic you choose. My rep on rollitup keeps going up even with all the haters, and the mods now love me and ask me about dispensary outlets. This community is partially dominated by grown men with severe emotional maturity issues. I posted pages, and most of these "educated" people are fixated my by MADE UP name. It just shows how much the academia crowd needs a hug, and to be told "good job" for dedicating their lives to this study.

So... big hug for you researchers out there... good job... keep it up!

 

[MrFista]

On fungi and endomycorrhizal symbiosis. I'm classifying a fungi now and while reading up on some recent phylogenetic studies discover a possible merger between Strophariaceae and Hymenogastraceae.

What this implies is ectomycorrhizal origins for several thought to be strictly saprobic species. I have heard hints of fungi with both saprobic and endomycorrhizal activity but until now wondered at the evolution of such a thing. The saprobic abilities came second.

So yes, some mycorrhizal fungi will sporulate without the presense of a host. I've yet to find an ectomycorrhizal example of this but now know of several psilocybe species that may display endomycorrhizal origins and yet are known saprobes. When you consider the ectomycorrhizal fungi still need to exude acids etc to collect nutrition for the plant, it stands to reason some of them worked out how to live on what they could get from the ground alone.

N fixing and MJ symbiosis. No direct fixers no, but have you considered what the addition of actinobacteria might do for a medium. Worth investigating. Actinobacteria are the bane of researchers trying to reduce N in effluent ponds. They fix a lot of N.

I think evolutionarily speaking, that symbiosis is a winning strategy. However, it could lock two or more species into a spiral if conditions change fast.

Welcome spurr! I'm a full time ecology major doing organic chem, microbes and plant biology on the side. My plans are to create profitable sustainable systems to replace curent broken models. - Stepping up!

Mr Rize - I am not a hater, you got told off for talking rubbish, I'm over it, how are you.

 

[Microbeman]

Speaking of research, any comment on the warning from OMRI, lack of information from Biocanna, etc.?

I won't begrudge your professorship because I have the title of God.

 

[VerdantGreen]

VG

How much citric acid do you add to your water?

Thanks!

CC

hi CC, hard to say as i meaure it with a pH pen and not by volume . i add one tablespoon of powder to a pint of water and then use maybe 3-4 tablespoons of that solution in a 2 gallon can of tapwater.
that brings my water down to about 6. but if it's anywhere between 5 and 7 i'll generally use it unless the plants look like they arent verdant (which isn't very often ). the lime in the tapwater and the soil will take it up again. i've been meaning to start a thread about citric acid, now maybe the time.

cheers

VG.

p.s. i find yarrow loves poor chalky and sandy soils. if you have that kind in your garden then just look in your lawn, it'll be there

 

[Matt Rize]

Enjoying the contributions

Enjoying the contributions

Welcome spurr! I'm a full time ecology major doing organic chem, microbes and plant biology on the side. My plans are to create profitable sustainable systems to replace curent broken models. - Stepping up!

Mr Rize - I'm over it, how are you.

I'm really enjoying where this community has taken this thread.

I doubled in Chem and Bio, with a minor in ENS, and I did my research on the defensive secretions of a diplopod that lives in the woods at school. But I secretly did my research, using GC/MS and HPLC, on my DJ Short Blueberry that I bumped back then. I was technically suspended for a semester for my efforts (can't hide it when you empty tanks) on the GC, but it is all good.