JWH-018

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I turn the vaporbros to the highest setting and use a knife to drop a tiny heap onto the vaporizer whip. This gives me 3 good sized hits and I'm done. I don't like getting too high normally because I'm not productive in such a state, but with this stuff, the high is crystal clear and euphoric. It's very medicinal as an antidepressant and for ADD, more than any weed I've ever smoked.

 

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So, to my actual question. How should I smoke a herbal mixture, being I have a high tolerance to natural cannabinoids. I mean, should I just pack enough for a good sized hit, and wait 5 minutes then repeat? Or should I just pack a bowl and start smoking until I feel it hit me?

I plan on having one of my friends try it first, lol.

Honestly, it's not that serious. You should always be careful and I applaud you for doing so, but I wouldn't trust any of the information going around because a lot of the anecdotal reports are uncontrolled and probably bias.

The most important rule is to start small. You aren't taking one gram and rolling it into one blunt that you're smoking in one sitting, as you might with Cannabis. Believe it or not, many people do this and then go online and start complaining about negative effects. Think of it like beer vs distilled alcohol. If 3 cans of beer make you feel good, and you suddenly discover concentrated alcohol, drinking 3 cans will fuck you up.

I suggest NOT being on the influence of any other drug when first trying this. This includes weed of any kind. Perhaps putting ash or some inert herb in the bowl and add enough JWH-018 to equal the size of the little ball on the tip of a ballpoint pen, inhaling till done, waiting 5 mins and trying again.

There may be a cross tolerance between weed and jwh-*, as I notice the effects are dulled when smoked after regular weed. Maybe the CBN/CBD effects of weed overpower the stimulatory effects of the JWH-018, like they do regular THC. At least that's the feeling I get.

I like jwh18 as wake n bake weed. Sativas feel like they activate my frontal lobe, open my third eye, or just calm everything down. An awareness slowly comes about that distracts me from anything I'm not actively focusing on. It's like an Adderall come up (Adderall does activate the frontal lobe.)

There is definitely anxiety/paranoia in higher doses, but it's not sudden. You notice it the more you smoke, so starting slow and evaluating mindset before continuing to smoke is key. I like being at a point where I'm not paranoid, but careful. I.e., if I hear a cop car in the distance, I get a big "!" above my head (like the enemies in Metal Gear when they hear something) and then being able to take a deep breath and shift my attention.

 

[gingerale]

thanks guys im glad some people with sense finally came into this thread instead of all the doom and gloom. like i said, this stuff is exactly like THC in its effects. the perfect way to smoke it is to get the pure chem, mix it up with some good dank, then smoke the mixture AT HIGH TEMP--make sure you keep the flame on it longer than normal, as it seems to have a higher vape temp. its just like you added extra THC to whatever weed you just smoked. all the various CBD, etc cannabinoid effects are increased.

right now im pretty high off a couple bong hits of this and some homegrown bagseed mexi sativa. i dont smoke the JWH often as im getting low, but reading this thread I had to put it to work lol. this stuff is great for when your tolerance is high, it gives it that extra "kick" to get you more stoned than you could normally get off the stuff you been smokin.

 

[tetragrammaton]

Thanks guys for all the responses, unfortunately I was unable to get any this weekend, but I still plan on getting some later in the week and will do a full report.

To clarify, I will be smoking an herbal blend, not the pure substance. If I enjoy it, I will most likely order some jwh-018, which I will use in emergencies.

I also won't smoke any real cannabis the day of my herbal experiment in order to feel it to it's fullest. I imagine if it's for some reason a bad experience I can simply smoke some real weed, and all will be fine.

I only plan on getting a gram of the herbal mixture, as it's only 15 bucks. Perhaps I should get more in case i love it?

Also, once I try it on it's own, I plan on mixing it with real weed 50/50 and seeing how that goes.

 

[Lazyman]

Not 50/50 by weight (at ALL) but measure out 1mg doses and mix about 5-7mg per gram of weed, and mix it up in ground weed very thorougly, roll joints.

 

[tetragrammaton]

Sorry for the confusion but when I said 50/50 I meant half weed, half premade herbal blend. I believe 1 gram of the blend has around 10mg of jwh-018

 

[tetragrammaton]

I'm in a really bad mood right now, so I don't feel like posting a full report, but I will as soon as I'm in better spirits.

Long story short, I tried K2 Blue, which is a popular herbal blend containing the synths. All I can say is, oh my fucking god. I have been a heavy, daily cannabis smoker, for over 4 years. Smoking K2 Blue was honestly like my experiences that made me fall in love with weed in the first place. It was honestly like getting high for the first time, on a fucking incredible Sativa dominant hybrid.

The euphoria I got from smoking K2 was comparable to the euphoria from harder drugs. It made me so fucking blazed, happy, and giggly. I am definitely going to get more, for emergency purposes, if I don't have any weed.

I have smoked countless east and west coast elites, and the high blows them out of the water.

I'll answer any questions any of you might have, as well as give a full report on taste, appearance, duration, etc... once I'm in a better mood.

It is no joke though. I can't believe I can legally go to a store and buy something that gets me high as a kite.

Peace.


EDIT: I did not experience any anxiety what so ever. When it first hit me, I could see how it could easily cause someone to have a panic attack, as suddenly you're in a completely altered state, and you don't know when it's coming, similar to being unfamiliar with weed.

I did not experience my heart racing at all, however I did feel very energized and euphoric, as well as completely blazed.

After the initial EXTREME sativa first time high, it mellowed into a very good body high that lasted at least an hour before we decided to smoke more, at which point it completely refreshed the high, and in my opinion and my friends opinion, the second time smoking it was better than the first.

 

[tetragrammaton]

Here are some of my after thoughts.

The Pros:
Legal
Gets you very high, which if you have a high tolerance, it will surprise you
Pleasant taste but this depends on what blend you are smoking
Relatively Cheap

The Cons:
It is unnatural
Lingering chemical taste
Harsh on lungs (it feels like I smoked a few packs of cigarettes in one setting)
We don't know much about it

Here are situations where I think it would be great:
Going on short trips. For instance, you can drive around with it in your car, without the fear of getting pulled over.
Going to concerts. It really enhances music, and you don't have to risk getting caught by security and possibly getting thrown out.
If you really want to get high, have money, but are unable to procure weed. It will definitely hold you over until you get real weed.

I personally would not smoke this every day, as I'm sure your tolerance would go up like crazy. Also, I imagine if I smoke this all the time, I will get used to the incredible high, and be let down with natural cannabis, unless it's a really long flowering Sativa.

At the end of the day, I still prefer smoking Cannabis. I am sure if I took a few days break from weed, I'd also get an amazing high.

The taste of my particular blend had a hint of floraly haze, especially on the exhale. Other than that, it was overpowered by an extremely Sour/Sweet taste that reminded me of a mixture of Red Bull, Sour Apple Jolly Ranchers, and Blueberry Dum-Dums. It also had a very strong chemical taste that got more intense towards the end of the bowl/joint.

I was so surprised by the high. Contrary to what I read, it didn't feel like it was missing anything, as far as high goes. It started out as an all around extremely euphoric, energetic, goofy, blissful high, that evolved into pretty heavy body high, that felt a lot more like average indica hybrids.

About 30 minutes after smoking my last bowl of K2 Blue, I smoked a bowl of Bubba Kush. It re-kicked in the head high of the K2, and hours later, I'm still feeling really high, more so than if I had just smoked Bubba Kush.

 

[shoed1]

A friend gave me some K2 once which has this stuff in it. Off of a bowl and a half of straight K2 I can safely say I was pretty high, very giggly, all in the head. I didn't like it though, I was kind of in a fog and out of reality and when I came too, I felt strange as well, nothing a little bit of real but couldn't fix Basically, I haven't had any urge to try it anymore but if I was in a jam and couldn't get weed for a while or was getting pee tested, this is an amazing substitute.

 

[tetragrammaton]

Pure sativas do the same thing, so if you don't like sativas you probably won't like this stuff as much. it also depends on the ratio of synthetics. it's not just jwh-018, k2 has 019, 073,
and hu-210.

 

[Frozenguy]

Ew yuck.

This chemical is nothing like weed. Its a nasty synthetic chemical that can probably kill you if you have too much. Try saying that about weed.

Either way, there is a reason I dont join the whole prescription drug/ research chemical bandwagon. Weed is awesome..

 

[tetragrammaton]

Actually frozen guy, the actual chemical activates your cannabis receptors exactly like weed. Yes it is a synthetic chemical, it is not natural, it is NOT weed, and THC is more enjoyable.

The fact is, this stuff gets you just as high if not higher, as some of the world's best Sativas.

I agree with you, weed is awesome, weed is better, weed is safe, weed is natural, there are no deaths from weed, etc...

If you look back a few pages back, I was strongly against this stuff, for the same reasons you are.

The reality is, it gets you extremely blazed. If I didn't know what I was smoking, and if it had an inert taste, I would have said "Holy shit, what the fuck strain is this?", it was that good, in my opinion.

I really don't believe people are having seizures. Perhaps acute panic attacks, so they call 911, and are given xanax and sent home. This is not similar to your average "mild" weed. This has a more intense high, and more euphoric, than any strain I've smoked.

The euphoria part was the most unnatural part of the high in my opinion. Never has ANY natural pure sativa given me such an intense euphoria. I have a lot of experience which I'm not proud of, with strong opiates and the colombian stimulant. The euphoria was comparable to the euphoria from those stronger drugs. I was dumbfounded at how incredible it was.

It looks like a lot of states are racing to ban this. Georgia just banned it yesterday. So, if you have any desire to experiment with this, now's the time.

 

[tetragrammaton]

The main reason I don't plan on switching to this, or using it regularly, is because it really felt like a hard drug version of weed. For example, I'd explain the difference as high, as the difference between hydrocodone and morphine. It's the same type of high, just waay more intense. I can see how one could not get any satisfaction out of real Cannabis, if they've been smoking this stuff for a while.

 

[Snypette]

k2 New Marijuana Substitute.

k2 New Marijuana Substitute.

k2 is a fairly new way to get high. It is sold in smoke shops and online labeled as incense with a warning that it is not for consumption, which is how it is legal right now. Obviously it isn't bought to be used as incense. It is said k2 is ok to smoke by some, because it's made of natural herbs. But in reality the blends of exotic herbs and other plants have been sprayed or coated with one or more chemicals that, when smoked, produce euphoria. It produces a high similar to that of marijuana but doesn't contain THC. Instead, K2 contains synthetic chemicals, known as JWH-018 and JWH-073, that mimic THC by acting on the cannabinoid receptors in the brain.The manufacturer of k2 is currently unknown. The word is that smoking k2 is a lot more dangerous than smoking marijuana. The worst side effect i found that was reported is seizures.

In conclusion, until marijuana is legal, Alternative (and possibly dangerous) substances will always be made. And when they are made illegal, a new one will be made.

 

[Cookie monster]

As far as I know and was told by a very trustworthy guy who owns a headshop is that a lot of that type of stuff is made in China, imported in bulk and repackaged.
I dont think jwh has ever undergone trials on humans and god knows what "blend of herbs" are used.

Anything that comes from a country that produces tainted baby milk formula or uses lead paint on kids toys is too much of a risk to put into my body..

All that type of stuff was made illegal over here last month, bzp,synthetic cannabinoids, fake coke ect. ect.
Probably for a good reason.

 

[BreakingBad]

This is already being discussed...

https://www.icmag.com/ic/showthread.php?t=163027

 

[tetragrammaton]

For what it's worth, I feel I should be completely honest.

Right now the only bud I have is some unknown commercial indica dominant hybrid. It tastes and looks amazing, and gives me a nice stone, however, the truth is, I really am craving the intense euphoric high of the k2 blue. I tried k2 summit, and in my opinion, k2 blue tastes better and is more euphoric, where as k2 summit is more racy. Both of them are supposed to be the strongest blends made by k2.

Don't get me wrong, I'm not going out to get more, but I definitely plan on smoking it again in the future. It's also my experience that the intense, euphoric, sativa-like part of the high is short lived. The high, in my experience, then turns into a very heavy body high, not unlike eating a lot of edibles.

Here are the situations in which I personally would prefer k2.

1. Driving to a friends house. I don't mean smoking while driving, but why risk having real weed on you if you get pulled over, when you don't have to? One of my friends who up until the other day was a daily smoker, is switching to this stuff for a while. Another one of my friends who only enjoys Sativa strains, is also becoming a regular user of this, as he prefers the high.

2. Driving across country. Again, I don't necessarily mean driving, you could be the passenger, etc... I just think if you're going somewhere for vacation or a visit, you can find real weed when you get there, and don't have to risk traveling with weed across different state lines.

3. Getting your friends who can't smoke weed for whatever reason high.

4. Getting high at peoples homes who are against weed.

5. Experiencing what a pure Sativa feels like, if you've never tried one.

6. Hot boxing rooms without the fear of random people smelling the pungent marijuana smell.

7. Conserving your weed.

8. Getting you through dry times.

that's about it, any other situation and I'd rather smoke real weed, just because I know it's safe.

 

[blinx420]

This is already being discussed...

https://www.icmag.com/ic/showthread.php?t=163027

LOL it's the same thread

 

[tetragrammaton]

In a way, I feel as if I "cheated on" Cannabis, and feel kind of guilty. In all reality, I just need to take few days break from weed, in order to get just as high as that weird shit.

Now, I only plan on using it if I can't procure any weed. There's really no reason to use it if you can just smoke the real thing.

EDIT: In addition, I don't like the idea of smoking those plants, flavorings, dye, etc... For instance, the k2 blue, all the plant shit was dyed an electric blue color. It also makes my lungs tight. I have asthma, but I thought I grew out of it in my teens. Anyway, it made my lungs feel like I chainsmoked a shitload of cigarettes... If I decide to get anymore of this shit for emergency purpose, I probably will just order pure 018 and 073. I also have severe allergies, and while I didn't notice anything, probably because I took my Claritin, I still don't think smoking random flowers and plants is good.

 

[Lazyman]

Careful Motaco, someone could misinterpret that a bowl of K2 or Spice is the same as smoking a bowl of the pure chemical, which I think is what we're mainly talking about here. A bowl of JWH-018 would probably kill you due to respiratory depression.