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schwagg
SG, keep looking. hardware stores, nursery, hell even fred meyer has some stuff sometimes. if your way outta the way, order online.
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Tutorial Organics for Beginners
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SecretGardener
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I'm going to hit up some local nurseries today and cross my fingers. If all else fails I'll do as you suggested and order it online. In the past I've cut corners because I couldn't find components for a recipe locally and all it's done is kick me in the arse !
Also how important is the Liquid Karma. I was able to find it but it was pretty expensive because they didn't carry small bottles of it just the big jugs (not sure on volume didnt check only saw price and was like uh..no). The fox farms steamed bone meal has humic acid and mycorrhizae in it. Will that be enough or is the liquid karma essential to the success of this mix?
IF you can't find kelp meal, per se, AND you're considering buying Maxicrop, then perhaps you could consider buying this product for $13.99 per lb. Rate of usage is 1.5 tsp. per gallon of water - about 96 gallons of ready to use kelp extract.
Maxicrop arrives in the USA from Norway as a powder as well. It's mixed with water and bottled though their powder is also available. It's about 2x the price of the product I linked to.
HTH
CC
Maxicrop arrives in the USA from Norway as a powder as well. It's mixed with water and bottled though their powder is also available. It's about 2x the price of the product I linked to.
HTH
CC
SecretGardener
Member
I tried a few green houses, nurseries, garden centers, hardware stores and even a hydro store and no kelp meal in my area!! The hydro store did have the liquid maxicrop though but I really want to blend the dry blood/bone/kelp meals into my soil mix. The only blood meal I could find was "Organic" but it was time realeased? I stayed away from it. I guess the internet it is.
V
vonforne
Just 6 weeks into flower, and my first attempt at the organic thing with LC#2 & dry nutes, I thought I'd post some thoughts and a pic or 2.
These Blue Dreams did not stretch the way I have seen them do in hydro or soil with bottled nutes. I think the reason might be due to the fact that the ingredients used (bone meal, blood & kelp meal) in my soil might not be of high quality and therefore have a bit lower nutrient availability.
They have been getting plenty of Maxicrop kelp in the watering & foliar regimen and an EWC tea about once a week or every 10 days or so, early on, they got the EWC via foliar also. Kudos to MM and CTGuy for their knowledge.
And truth be told, even though I am slowly getting to B1's belief about ph and organics, I have been ph'ing all waterings to 6.3 +/-. Overall, I am thankful to B1 for his easy to follow beginner instructions.
On the plus side, this has been a very easy grow. It appears that the quality and quantity will be above average, as compared to a soil grow with bottled nutes.
There are still 2.5 to 3 weeks left in flower.
The only deficiencies (aside from the questionable quality of the underlying meals used) is an occasional Mg deficiency, easily treated by a few epsom salt foliars and several epsom salt applications in the 2 alfalfa tea waterings I gave 'em. This side did not get the K-Mag in the soil ahead of time, so it was given several doses of Liquid Sulfate of Potash (Aagrand product), and just recently, was given a few applications of "Sulfate of Potash" that I finally obtained as a soluble power. Thank you V and CC.
I used Dr. Earth's Kelp Meal, but the boxes were at least 3 years on the shelf, so not fresh. The bone and blood was "miracle grow" organic meals, I don't think I would use any of these products in the future. I'll be more discriminate in the selection of the bone, blood and kelp meals I mix into the soil in the future.
Critiques and comments welcome.
Man, that is a grow t be proud of. Now comes the ´dialing in`part. Some new meals etc. and you are getting another 20% out of those plants.
Nice job man.
V
Go to the hydro store, show them the maxicrop product and tell them to order it. that's what I did and it was there the next day with no shipping charges.
Simple.
growclean
Grow Clean.... Go Fast!
I agree. Everything that I buy at the hydro shop I have to have them order now. I only buy the largest quantity made too, that way I only buy it once. This little bottles of maxicrop go quick. They make a large box though.
yourcorpse
Sorry I missed your post. If you're interested I've got a couple of recommendations for books to advance your bread baking skills.
The first one is The Bread Baker's Apprentice: Mastering the Art of Extraordinary Bread by Peter Reinhart.
The other book is also by Peter Reinhart titled Peter Reinhart's Whole Grain Breads: New Techniques, Extraordinary Flavor
My name is listed in the last book as I was one of 500 'beta testers' for the formulas that eventually found their way into the final edition.
You might want to look into joining the Bread Bakers Guild of America (BBGA) - some areas of the country have active chapters.
Are you able to buy General Mills' "Harvest King" flour by any chance?
CC
SecretGardener
Member
So ...don't soak it with liquid karma? When do you add the liquid karma and how much?
Zendo
Member
You can..
Too much can be a bad thing, so if I am going to use it in my tea I never use more than 15ml or 1Tbsp for 5 gallons.
I've used it with Neptunes 2-3-1 up till 10 days before harvest with success.. I used it every other tea.
Zendo
Member
Seriously, you're better off ordering the soluble from simplicitea as CC said.
96 gallons for $13.99 of better quality vs. $30 a gallon for Maxi..I would guess that Maxi buys the soluble from the exact same source as them, and then waters it down for you and charges you more...Snag a pound of Humic acid while you are there as well.
HTH
Zendo
Member
I think this is what they were trying to say..
Add LK to water at 1tbsp per gallon, and then water until soil is wet, but not soaked.
The idea is to keep moist instead of heavily watered.
Slick.E.Boy
Member
I'm about to do this step: "Mix all the dry ferts into the soiless mix well and wet it, but don't soak it with Liquid Karma and water @ 1 tbs./gal."
so that's LK @ 1 tbs per gallon of water or gallon of mix?
tia, sorry may have seen this answer around post #1,432 but cannot find it with search.
so that's LK @ 1 tbs per gallon of water or gallon of mix?
tia, sorry may have seen this answer around post #1,432 but cannot find it with search.
A Question CC. I am ordering a # of the seaweed to try from the link. But I noticed that there is NO N-P-K ratios for the product at the website. I know that the majority of nutes will not come from any seaweed/kelp product, but it'd be nice just for comparison purposes.
so the question comes down to your experience I suppose. In your experience, is this a comparable/superior product?
Thanks
I have the Bread Baker's Apprentice and Crust and Crumb (also by Reinhart) that my girlfriend bought be this year. the first one being a bible to me, hah.
I will also check into the whole grain breads book, i love a hearty bread. Very cool that you beta tested some recipes!
I'll check into the BBGA , i would love to be apart of something like that.
I have not used harvest king flour from GM, i will see if my local stores carry it, if not im sure i can find it somewhere online.
I use mostly king arthur bread flour, and king arthur sir lancelot hi-gluten flour, and of course some rye flour.
yourcorpse
Reinhart's 'Crust & Crumb' was the first bread baking book that I purchased. I have over 25 now and it's growing.
RE: King Arthur Flours
I have a lot of respect for King Arthur's products. They've been in business for over 200 years and a few years back when the family wanted to get out of the business they sold it to their employees so that's another reason to support them, IMHO
Their head baker, Jeffrey Hamelman, is one of only 7 'Certified Master Bakers' in the US. He has a book titled "Bread: A Baker's Book of Techniques and Recipes" that is basically written for the production artisan bakery though he does provide the necessary amounts of his formulas for the home baker.
Have you ever checked out the prosumer dough mixers from Sweden's Electrollux? Well worth the money especially for mixing heavy rye-based doughs.
Reinhart's book on pizza, "American Pie" is another good book if you're into baking artisan pizza pies.
CC
grapeman
The soluble seaweed extract from Acadian Seaplants, Ltd. (ASL) has a N-P-K of 1-1-17
The seaweed extract from the link is probably from ASL though CT Guy hasn't been able to get a definitive answer. I'm 99.999999% sure that it's the same product.
Regardless - I've used it as have several others in my circle of friends who are MMJ growers and none would go back to anything else other than straight kelp meal.
HTH
CC
SecretGardener
Member
That is a much better deal but I wanted to kelp to add to soiless mix using recipe #1 so I don't have to water with anything but plain water.
Ah, I figured it was a misunderstanding, I thought maybe it was a typo and he meant to say do instead of don't add the liquid karma. I see what you mean now, duh
Thanks!
C
CT Guy
Here's what I got from Organic Approach regarding rates:
SEAWEED AND HUMATE INSTRUCTIONS
1.Don’t add soluble seaweed and humate powders “until you’ve diluted the tea down as far as you’ll be diluting it”… (this is so we know how many total gallons of liquid diluted product we’re adding to…)
2.Once diluted down as far as it will be, then you may add the following amounts of soluble seaweed and humate powders on a “per-gallon-of-diluted-material basis”
a.Add 1/8th teaspoon (not tablespoon) of TeraVita SP-90 (or SP-85) soluble humate powder in each gallon of diluted material AACT and WATER…
b.Add 1/2 teaspoon (not tablespoon) of Nature’s Essence SEP soluble seaweed powder in each gallon of diluted material AACT and WATER…
I use even less than this because I have so much perlite and pumice in my mix that it dries out quickly so I'm watering almost daily (outdoor veggies in containers) in nice weather.
A little goes a long way.....
