Is is me or do some growers in Cali actually not want pot legalised??

[medmaker420]

I understand that, but I honestly think the window will close for making decent money from growing in about 5 years everywhere once there is some type of goverment regulation, I don't think it's possible to maintain the culture and legal climate you have out there indefinatly, if not this bill, then another, and not to far in the future either.
I think everyone needs to set themselves up to make as much money as possible during this transition period (5 years for the nation once something passes) and get ready to take your earnings and transition into some other line of work and back to just hobby growing.
I look at cali like a goldmine that's almost played out, but the other states are still mines where people can make their fortunes(well, little reasonable size fortunes) if they act fast.
One way or the or the other things will end, and we'll talk about the good old days like the ex moonshiners.
I do see both sides here, and I think this bill is the begining of the end for things as we know them now, but the window of oppurtunity to make yourself a little stake in life has not closed yet, and won't for a while.
This of course is all IMO.

It will be played out if you don't go big. Yes many moonshiners for instance are nowhere to be seen now however those who decided to go bigger and better and market correctly are still around. Also with your "new line of work thing", that is exactly how nascar was built by rum runners so yes there will always be other things that can be done if you get out of the growing scene itself.

It will of course remove those who think they can just grow an elbow and unload it without having to work for it. Easy come easy go but if you do it correctly you could be the next jim beam for the weed scene.

Just like walmarts removing small stores, some make it because they changed their marketing tactics and others couldn't keep up because all they relied on was the walk ins simply because they were the only shops in the area. You can make it if you adapt with the market but if you don't, you odds are can see where that ends up.

I don't care for the government regulations but look at our country, that is how people THINK it needs to be and if you want that removed from this market then it would FIRST need to be removed from many others health, cars, stocks, big business, unions, free cash aid, section 8 and a MILLION other things that need to go away.

You can't have one market ran completely different as the others especially if it becomes legal. Now if we can get it legalized we can work on decriminalization of it later on if we fight hard for it BUT would need to change the federal hold over the states rights first.

 

[medmaker420]

Cute MEDMAKER420! If you had read my posts I actually mention the few who were actually able submit to the Corporate formula. Give me 30 moonshiners who were able to make the transition. Just 30.

Like I said before, my son thinks he doesn't need to go to school because he's going to be a Rock Star. Although I would never shatter his dreams, I'm going make sure he gets a good education!! EL OH EL!!

Name just 30?

name me 30 alcohol companies in general (google search here he comes)

are you serious with that question?

I agree that dreams are dreams but there are those who didn't go to school and are rockstars. Can it happen if you focus and not give up? Sure it can, also talent kind of plays a part with that scene as well as luck.

Not everyone who plays highschool football get to go to the nfl but that isn't a reason to tell a kid NOT to try for it. Not saying that is what you meant but it does make sense. With ANY market especially a fully public and legal market the competition will be huge BUT those who work hard can and will make it.

Look at med clubs for instance, there are some making mad money and others doing so so. Now it isn't because the laws but rather the business model and how they market it as well as their actual target market and location. Many things play into it of course.

 

[SickBoyZap]

ABSOLUTELY SERIOUS! YOU HAVE MADE MY POINT!!!! I COULD PROBABLY NAME 30 GROWERS IF I COMBINED WHO I KNOW WITH WHO 'THEY' KNOW!!!!

THIS IS A MULTI BILLION $ INDUSTRY THAT IS IN THE HANDS OF THE SMALL MAN RIGHT NOW!!

AS I SAID YOU CAN'T NAME 30!

IS THAT WHAT YOU REALLY WANT 2 or 3 BIG MJ CORPS, AND THE AVERAGE MAN TO GO THE WAY OF THE MOONSHINER?!

 

[medmaker420]

ABSOLUTELY SERIOUS! YOU HAVE MADE MY POINT!!!! I COULD PROBABLY NAME 30 GROWERS IF I COMBINED WHAT I KNOW WITH WHO 'THEY' KNOW!!!!

THIS IS A MULTI BILLION $ INDUSTRY THAT IS IN THE HANDS OF THE SMALL MAN RIGHT NOW!!

AS I SAID YOU CAN'T NAME 30!

IS THAT WHAT YOU REALLY WANT 2 or 3 BIG MJ CORPS!?

no but odds are there are thousands of micro brewers all over the country making plenty. Are they ALL in the stores? no but some made it and are gaining ground BUT they also can market within target areas and make decent cash.

will there be the big boys of weed? yes but I see also micro versions for local markets that will thrive just fine.

Same thing with wine, there are the big boys then there are thousands of others who are making a living due to their marketing, their quality and so on.

I mean come on, look at weed breeders

there are the big boys then the smallers ones but I think they all are doing ok BUT some don't go anywhere and that is within the current legal realms that it is.

your point was NOT made in the least, well you made YOUR point but I don't see that being an end all point because it isn't correct.

 

[Kalicokitty]

there are thousands of micro brewers all over the country making plenty. Are they ALL in the stores? no but some made it and are gaining ground BUT they also can market within target areas and make decent cash.

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That's the dream, to be one of the little local microbreweries of weed where I live.
I think it's realistic and possible.

I think that this passing will get that ball rolling faster.

 

[SickBoyZap]

medmaker420 I don't think you are a bad person and I don't think that I should even question your motives, But I think that you are wildly over optimistic if you think that there is going to be any real market left! In the long run. Even in the next 5 years.

 

[Strainhunter]

medmaker420 I don't think you are a bad person and I don't think that I should even question your motives, But I think that you are wildly over optimistic if you think that there is going to be any real market left! In the long run. Even in the next 5 years.

Unfortunately I have to second that.

 

[medmaker420]

medmaker420 I don't think you are a bad person and I don't think that I should even question your motives, But I think that you are wildly over optimistic if you think that there is going to be any real market left! In the long run. Even in the next 5 years.

and thats the great part about opinions, we all get to make ours.

Optimistism is always a better way then putting your head in the sand and think everything is just going to go to shit. Those who adapt will do well and others who don't, won't or can't will simply have memories of what used to be.

There will be an even larger market in the next 5 years because of all the closet smokers being able to locate other stuff. There are a MILLION local marketing methods that could be used which the big boys odds are wouldn't even touch. Many people will always want home grown bud and others will simply go for the 7-11 bud.

There will always be a market if you know how to market and adapt also. I don't see all the big stores stocking herb, that could lose their target audience. Some might but I think it will be more of its own shop versus being seen in 7-11's and so on unless they are owned by people who want to market the product.

That is like saying all headshops will end up bankrupt because the big boys will odds are corner that market as well. Do you really see bongs sitting in savemart shelves or do you see new head shops opening up? I think the latter myself.

How can you not be excited or optimistic with how things are going? I look at the acohol niche itself as a business model that did work. You either make it or you don't and just like rockstars and football players SOME might make it big whereas others might just be stuck in local bars or playing local, triple A level. I think both are great AND can be successful.


Legalization will open up a HUGE amount of customers and each of those customers will be able to choose who they want to go through instead of just a couple local growers or middle men. I think it would be amazing myself. I think the market in theory is pretty cornered how it is. We all have the main guys who either grow or bring in the real weight and everyone takes a piece and makes from it what they can currently. I think it will level the playing ground and our current big boys of this so called game will either go bigger or market it differently.

Besides home grown I see the shit dirt dissapearing, I see the smuggling of crap going away because there will be zero use for it. I see quality going up on our end and the large commercial will be what they always are which is usually cheap and sub par.

Also imagine the jobs

"wanted professional growers needed for 20 acre marijuana field"
or
the possible wholesaling opportunities TO the retail sector.

most if not all of the stuff in stores now come from manufacturers and it is always easier to buy wholesale then to setup your own. If that wasn't the case most med clubs now would simply grow all their own. It is time versus profits.

 

[itisme]

I think it's Ironic that growers are really saying what they feel from their heart. This has been a true 'Labor of love' for all growers.

And you say they are mere "scare tactics and propaganda".

Talk about PROPAGANDA! YOU ARE ON THE SIDE OF CORPORATE PROPAGANDA!!!

You want to see our 'culture' and 'art' with a scan bar on it! You are the one who wants this 'love of herb' to be nothing more than another Wall Street money tool!

Maybe you don't know of the excitement and thrill of popping a fresh batch of seeds. The fucking happiness of knowing no one else in the world has tried this phenotype before, as you take your first hit from it's first harvest!

This is a way of life! A passion!

I think it completely rediculous that you question 'our' integrity... that it's all about money for us!

AS YOU GET IN BED WITH BIG TOBACCO...sad.

What kind of moron equates wanting WEED LEGAL to being IN BED W/ BIG TOBACCO??? It makes no sense at all!!!!

It means we don't want INNOCENT PEOPLE getting locked up over BULLSHIT!!! Keeping it illegal so some can make a better profit from it??? WTF EVER!!! Get a life if think your point of view makes any sense!!

 

[SickBoyZap]

Thousands of microbreweries? I don't think so. There are 1482 that are registered in the entire US. Not all of of these are even in business! AND THAT'S IN ALL 50 STATES! Even BevMo claims to have 46 different DOMESTIC 'microbeers' And they couldn't guarantee me from their list that many of those beers weren't brewed by the same microbreweries!

So what 23 that are actually sucessful? And after those get through paying taxes and fees and red tape BS, WHAT'S THEIR PROFIT MARGIN?!

OUT OF 50 STATES?!

308 million people!

Why are you so hell bent on giving away our market?

I can tell you right now of dozens of growers that make a modest living off of their craft. That's just me. What I know of. ONE PERSON!

 

[medmaker420]

What kind of moron equates wanting WEED LEGAL to being IN BED W/ BIG TOBACCO??? It makes no sense at all!!!!

It means we don't want INNOCENT PEOPLE getting locked up over BULLSHIT!!! Keeping it illegal so some can make a better profit from it??? WTF EVER!!! Get a life if think your point of view makes any sense!!

getting people OUT is the important part. America has too many of us locked up for no reason. I still don't see anyone NOT making money if they work at it and that is exactly how it currently is and always has been.

Market saturation complaints are simply those who haven't done what is needed to succeed.

 

[itisme]

getting people OUT is the important part. America has too many of us locked up for no reason. I still don't see anyone NOT making money if they work at it and that is exactly how it currently is and always has been.

Market saturation complaints are simply those who haven't done what is needed to succeed.

Thanks BRAH!!!

Good points too!

They can't hang if it is legal I guess....They got no confidence in themselves! Weed is still $400-500 an OZ here!

I guess they are gonna have to travel to some SOUTHERN STATES or USPS it To bad for all of you that can't hang....It is sad that you would rather keep OVER 1,000,000 INNOCENT PEOPLE IN JAIL SO YOU CAN MAKE MONEY MORE EASILY!

 

[SickBoyZap]

As usual "itisme" with the Ad Hominems. "get a life",& "moron". Well back at you then.

We have been having a very respectful conversation before you pulled your lazy ass out of bed.

 

[medmaker420]

Thousands of microbreweries? I don't think so. There are 1482 that are registered in the entire US. Not all of of these are even in business! AND THAT'S IN ALL 50 STATES! Even BevMo claims to have 46 different DOMESTIC 'microbeers' And they couldn't guarantee me from their list that many of those beers weren't brewed by the same microbreweries!

So what 23 that are actually sucessful? And after those get through paying taxes and fees and red tape BS, WHAT'S THEIR PROFIT MARGIN?!

OUT OF 50 STATES?!

308 million people!

Why are you so hell bent on giving away our market?

I can tell you right now of dozens of growers that make a modest living off of their craft. That's just me. What I know of. ONE PERSON!

got to love google search lol.

So those thousand micro's those don't count in your first "name 30 rant"? or are you just trying to make your point made after my comment?

I said thousands, odds are there are across the states. Registered? unknown to me as I am speaking from my opinion and not simply running to google to get my opinion for me.

out of those 300+ million you see the market not being there?

So now your complaint is the microbrewries or is it there are not enough of them? Have you ever thought that there are only 1000+ because those were the only ones who succeeded or do you think everyone with a distiller should be successful?

You can't simply pop a seed and expect to be wealthy even in our current market. After the taxes and everything else you talked about with the brewries that is with ANY business. You want that fixed, just like my previous comments REGULATIONS and how our country is ran needs to change. If you think this one market can be the one without all the red tape then you are being naive and for zero reason.

Either you succeed running a legit business or you don't. If you can market it you will succeed.

 

[itisme]

ABSOLUTELY SERIOUS! YOU HAVE MADE MY POINT!!!! I COULD PROBABLY NAME 30 GROWERS IF I COMBINED WHO I KNOW WITH WHO 'THEY' KNOW!!!!

THIS IS A MULTI BILLION $ INDUSTRY THAT IS IN THE HANDS OF THE SMALL MAN RIGHT NOW!!

AS I SAID YOU CAN'T NAME 30!

IS THAT WHAT YOU REALLY WANT 2 or 3 BIG MJ CORPS, AND THE AVERAGE MAN TO GO THE WAY OF THE MOONSHINER?!

This SICKBOYZAP has make almost all his post on this subject alone!!!

Get outta here little hater boy! We already know you want it kept illegal so you aint gotta keep reposting your same old tired lines about we are taking up for PHILLIP MORRIS! What a complete tool!

RESPECTFUL??? Saying I am in bed w/ big tobacco because I want it LEGAL so over 1,000,000 get out of JAIL and no longer harassed!

While your only point is you want to be able to profit from growing is your ONLY CONCERN!!!

Yeah, your plenty respectful.

Maybe you should look up that word and get the BIG PICTURE!!!!

 

[SickBoyZap]

And now you are saying we are fine with people being in jail! LOL! You musy be 16. You could take a lesson from 'medmaker420' or 'kalicokitty'on how to debate.

What is it they say. When someone meets a stranger their intellectual opinion of that person drops up to 50% as soon as they use profanity. You are proof that there is a reason for this. EL OH EL!

 

[medmaker420]

This loser has make almost all his post on this subject alone!!!

Get outta here little hater boy! We already know you want it kept illegal so you aint gotta keep reposting your same old tired lines about we are taking up for PHILLIP MORRIS! What a complete tool!

no point in trashin the man for an opinion

but just like smokes for instance

some smoke reds, camels and so on. I enjoy american spirits myself. Others smoke other brands. Are they all made from the same big company? I don't really know BUT just like our current herb for instance. We have what a million kush clones with a million different catchy names. People will choose what they like, what they want and if one place doesn't have it then they will go elsewhere.

Either way I know this will end up better than our current situation. I am done seeing friends, family and those I know elsewhere getting locked up. If that means savemart might have weed for hella cheap then so be it.

Imagine all those NEW customers getting out of prison. Who do you see them supporting? Our money is ours to choose what we do with it. Many buy groceries from mom and pops because they like the service, taste or what have you and others go to walmart. Let the market decide what will end up successful.

keep moving forward.

 

[SickBoyZap]

I asked you to name 30 storys of former monnshiners that made it by switching over and conforming to the corporate model. Why would modern yuppie microbreweries be included in that?

 

[medmaker420]

And now you are saying we are fine with people being in jail! LOL! You musy be 16. You could take a lesson from 'medmaker420' or 'kalicokitty'on how to debate.

What is it they say. When someone meets a stranger their intellectual opinion of that person drops up to 50% as soon as they use profanity. You are proof that there is a reason for this. EL OH EL!

profanity is nothing more than our opinion on letters in a word. The word shit to me isn't bad I don't find myself getting dumber and dumber by the minute everytime I use it BUT who knows I could be as dumb as a mule and wouldn't know it.

wow I almost forgot to breath for a second fuck.

The intellectual opinion from one person to another is personal opinion and if someone thinks I am an idiot because I use different words than them then so be it. I would rather hear profanity than "yo yo dawg fo shizzle" because that is just chicken scratch in my opinion lol.

either way

besides being ran by big business what other downfalls do you people see happening?

 

[itisme]

OK since you CARE so much.... Why you just getting on the site???

Why have you only posted most of your stuff on this ALONE???

Why you want it illegal??? So you can make easier profit.... Your the one that hasn't hit puberty and is only concerned about your profit margins effect by it being legal. By that alone, you are acting JUST LIKE PHILLIP MORRIS, the big tobacco conglomerate that you say we are in bed (hilarious by the way) with! Why don't you just follow suit with the big tobacco company and support the CRIMINALIZATION OF WEED. Owe yeah, that is exactly what your on here promoting!!!

Keeping it illegal does mean others keep getting locked up, RIGHT???

I guess I can't expect a small minded person to get the big picture!

"And now you are saying we are fine with people being in jail! LOL!"SICKBOYZAP quote
DUH if you want to keep it illegal that is exactly what you are promoting!