~Kief Junkie & QueenKief's 250w Organic Medi-Cab (soil) Grow!~ ~Pure & Blue Mystic~

[K.J]

Here's one suggestion if you are interested...I have done this in the past when I unexpectedly got 3 females out of 10 plants. I took clones as soon as I could and then topped the mothers to slow them down (I find topping of FIMming slows them down by about a week. Then I popped the moms into flower. Then when the clones root, I gave them a shortened veg time and put them into flower 1-2 weeks later than their mothers. If you are flowering your seed plants earlier than they can give clones...no worries. I routinely take clones up to 14 days into flowering. Just takes them a little longer to root.

That way at least I had a full flower room most of the time and harvested the seed girls and then their clones 2 weeks later. The downside is that you have slightly different nute schedules at some points (eg you start flushing half your room while still ferting the other half) but as long as you keep good notes about who gets what, its pretty straightforward.

This works especially well with Sativa strains as they seem to require less veg/rooting time before going into flower as clones. Kali Mist for instance, I have flowered 5 days after the clone rooted.

Sorry I can't help you with your new probs as nutes/PH/deficiencies and all that stuff is my achilles heel. I will say though that I have a lot of minor issues like you are seeing all the way through and I still see some pretty damn nice buds. So just be careful not to get discouraged or be tempted to fuss over them too much.

Thanks for the advice, I'll consider it. One plus is that we won't have to worry about different nute schedules for the most part since we're all organic and we plan to water with a tea of LK, EWC and molasses and not much else (we might do a guano tea watering right before they enter into flower, and about 2 weeks before harvest). But they won't need any flushing, that's for sure!

 

[dankitydank]

i have been lurking for a long time! here i am at long last. pullin up a chair for the first time officially. s

 

[organicmunk]

KJ buddy its been a while been busy with my girls and cab and i just picked up a new job thats running me ragged but hows the cab i searched the thread and didn't see any pics can we be expecting it to be done anytime soon or at least an update from the pics i saw the spice seem to be getting big are they still under the CFL??? an my two cents leave anything you plan to make a mom with in veg till it showes pre-flowers then FIM and start taking clones then you could flower your moms and make your best cuttings into your new mom and it should be ready to clone a week or two after rooting

 

[banjobrain]

I'm with you, I really am (I could have written that same post a few months ago when we started this project).

If you'll notice in one of our first pictures, there's a blue cordless drill; that came from Harbor Freight, as did the hole drill set we bought. The drill lasted for about 1 panel before it was obvious that it just wasn't strong enough to do the job without stripping the hell out of every single screw we used. It was very frustrating until we went and bought the Dewalt and it was immediately obvious how much different they were in terms of quality and ability to do the job. Sure, we still strip screws with the Dewalt, but not every single one of them....hehe. As for the hole drill set, it worked for the ventilation holes we drilled, but it took about 4 times as long to do each one, and they were so dull that it seemed the hole was being burned out not cut out. We threw the entire set away immediately after drilling the six holes we needed.

Now, we did get one item from HF that has worked well and seems to be of decent quality: the steel C-clamps. But everything else we've purchased there was worth exactly what we paid for it, if not less.

Anyway, I wasn't trying to talk shit or anything, just offering up my two cents based on personal experience. Go with whatever you can afford and with what works for you!

No worries, KJ - I'll keep you posted, though on my experience with the hole saw set...I found that price real hard to believe.

I have a question for you regarding your acquisition of seeds. I've been reading trying to find the best way to have them discreetly shipped. I've read everything, it seems...

I live in a small town, and considered having them shipped to a rental mailbox place and offer to bribe someone to rent me a mailbox using a fake name and no id, but here in small town America, someone would be quick to run to Johnny Law if something appeared suspicious with green tape on it.

I thought about a hotel, and doing the same thing, and there are probably a few here that I could do it at. I'm thinking that might be the safest thing to do.

I don't know. Right now, I have no paraphernalia in my home and no box completed. I'm considering buying the beans before I complete the building of my cab. Maybe even before I start building. Hell, I might just say "eff it" and have them sent to my apartment. I don't really anticipate being able to start a crop for several months, as I may moving for my job again (doh!). We'll see. I don't know. Let me know what you did regarding your seeds. After reading your posts, you seem to have a good head on your shoulders and is one who thoroughly thinks things out. Let us know how you went about getting your babies...

Thanks!

 

[K.J]

dankitydank: Lurker! Glad to have you come out of the shadows. Welcome!


organicmunk: What? You missed the pictures of the cab with the outer shell assembled? You'd better go back and look again brotha! Actually, the Spice beans never popped, remember? Lol...where have you been!? Currently we have the 3 Pure ladies and 2 Blue Mystic's, all under the CFL still. Sorry about the slow progress on the cab, it's difficult for us to work on it much during the week so we have to relegate most of our progress to the weekends. But we're coming down to crunch time because these Pure ladies are ready to flower! So look for some serious progress this coming weekend (we'll be sure to post an update with pics!).


banjobrain: It's good to see you around these parts. Thanks for the flattering comment about the head on my shoulders. You're probably thinking I did something sly and highly clever when it comes to ordering our beans...but nope! We simply placed an order, online, with our credit card, shipped to the house, from the Boutique. It came very discreet, timely and packaged smart so as to protect the beans. I highly, highly recommend using the Boutique. See, we're legal medical patients in our state and I just don't care enough to worry about having them sent to our place. But if we weren't legal patients, I'm sure we'd have come up with something more clever. Sorry I can't be more help here. I think most people really have nothing to worry about if they're using a reputable seed company like the Boutique.

 

[White]

Hey bro,
How ya been? Have you figured out what was wrong with your girls? I wish it went off without a hitch too, but the babies wanna make us work for it I guess. Well, best of luck to ya. If I knew some more info, I might be able to help. But you could always post in the infirmary and see if they can help you out.

Best of luck. Oh, I'm popping more seeds as we speak, so they'll be going into the cab soon.

Ok man, talk to you later.

Peace,
White

 

[K.J]

Hey White, thanks for stopping by! No, I never did figure it out. I'm going to keep a close eye on them and consult my growers bible. We're also going to repot the Pure girls into 5 gallon Airpots this weekend, so maybe that'll help clear things up since the soil has now been cooking for over a month and should be much more well rounded now than it was when we put them in these 4" pots. We'll see.

I've been watching your thread, so I'll keep an eye out for your newborns.

 

[K.J]

Hey, I just noticed that last post was my 420th!

 

[banjobrain]

Hey, I just noticed that last post was my 420th!

Celebration!

I'm mini-celebrating...I just picked up my wood today, placed my order for my darkroom louvers and some other stuff I need.

Now I just need to figure out what strains to order and I'll be set!

Hey KJ - how many posts do you need before you can PM someone? Any idea?

 

[j.guit.err]

75 post I think.

 

[K.J]

Celebration!

I'm mini-celebrating...I just picked up my wood today, placed my order for my darkroom louvers and some other stuff I need.

Now I just need to figure out what strains to order and I'll be set!

Congrats man! Get it going on!

Hey KJ - how many posts do you need before you can PM someone? Any idea?

If I remember correctly, it's 50 (unless they've change it since the overhaul of the forums).

 

[guest 77721]

Hi KJ,

I'm having similar problems with my seedlings. You can see the cotelydon is yellow and the tops aren't realy lush green.

If you were diagnosing a healthy plant getting sick, yellow at the bottom means deficiency, tip burn at the top means nute buildup. Most newbies would be fertilizing and that's the common advice given.

With seedlings, they are developing the roots as well as the leaves and if roots don't keep up with the leaves then it shows deficiency like this seedling.

I rushed this plant under too much light which got the top growing but the roots didn't develop at the same rate. Currently it is under low wattage lights and a 18/6 light schedule to recover.

The other reason you are having trouble is from overwatering or too heavy a soil mix, not enough perlite which stunts root development.

 

[K.J]

If you were diagnosing a healthy plant getting sick, yellow at the bottom means deficiency, tip burn at the top means nute buildup. Most newbies would be fertilizing and that's the common advice given.

With seedlings, they are developing the roots as well as the leaves and if roots don't keep up with the leaves then it shows deficiency like this seedling.

So what are you saying our problem is here? Remember, we're all organic, and the soil has everything in it that the plant will need from young seedling to mature flowering mother. We only water with a tea of EWC's, LK and molasses...that's it, every watering from here until harvest (with maybe one or two guano tea waterings during the entire process).

What do you think these plants are deficient in?

The other reason you are having trouble is from overwatering or too heavy a soil mix, not enough perlite which stunts root development.

Overwatering isn't an issue as far as I can tell. We only water every 3 days or so, and we test by weight so I know they aren't getting too much water. As for the soil mix, we followed LC's mix from the organics forums to a T, and it has quite a bit of chunky perlite in it, so I really don't think there's any shortage. It's a very fast draining, non-compact soil mix that has been used by many, many ICmag growers with great success.

 

[jamrockjay]

Great thread K.J.. I have just finished going through it all, think im gonna be pullin up a chair for this one Cant wait to see ur finished room in all its glory, keep up the good work and try not to get to stressed...

 

[K.J]

Great thread K.J.. I have just finished going through it all, think im gonna be pullin up a chair for this one Cant wait to see ur finished room in all its glory, keep up the good work and try not to get to stressed...

Hey, thanks for coming by Jamrock! Glad you've decided to stay. We can't wait to see the damn thing finished either; this weekend is going to be some serious, serious cab building time.

I promise, I really don't get as stressed as my writing might make it seem. I'm sometimes a dramatic writer. :smile:

 

[K.J]

Just a quick update for today. First, we finally got the casters affixed and the PCV intakes installed and caulked. We are still working on the doors though. The reason it's taking so long is that we fubar'd some of our measurements and it threw a wrench in our original plans for the doors. Hopefully we'll get at least one or two of them finished today; we'll see.

We also re-potted both Peanut and Petunia into 5 gallon pots. As we don't yet have their home finished, we didn't want to re-pot all of them as there's just not room in the current space for a bunch of 5 gallon pots. So we chose Peanut and Petunia because they are the two having the most trouble with yellowing. As you can see from the picture below, they didn't appear root bound by any means, but we were surprised to see just how many roots there were and how far down the pot they had grown. I think they're definitely going to like their new homes once their roots settle into it and start exploring.

Doing this left us with a little quandary on where to put the smaller pots and where to position the light so that all 5 of them get what they need. As you can see, it isn't ideal, but it's temporary and it should work for now.

BillieJean, Baby, Petunia, Peanut and Purdy 2-21-09.

Petunia's root ball after unwrapping the Airpot 2-21-09. It's hard to see in this pic, but if you look close there are many fuzzy roots poking out of the soil.

 

[JamieShoes]

DUDE! - "you put Baby in a corner" :smile:


(dirty dancing - "NOBODY puts Baby in a corner")

 

[JamieShoes]

glad things are getting back on track for you, mate :smile:

 

[K.J]

DUDE! - "you put Baby in a corner" :smile:


(dirty dancing - "NOBODY puts Baby in a corner")

Lol...that was a good one man. Didn't even occur to me.

 

[kii]

It's not in a box actually, we're still working on the cab. The temperatures in the room it's in (with our other plants) stays a consistent 70-78 degrees depending on whether or not the light is on and what the outside temp is that day. It's rock solid and never falls below 70 or rises above 79, so it's definitely not too hot in there. The problem is simply that we over watered and already compact soil; we shouldn't have compacted it so much.

It's too late to save her now, better luck on our next one!

nice grow sorry to hear about your seedlings

anyways just a quick tip for seedlings start all seedlings with a pot size you are familiar with or familiarize yourself with a certain "size". from there harden off safely and slowly you probably might know this but just a heads up

ill be following your thread goodluck and have fun