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    #16
    Don't want no bloody mosaic virus in the ultimate Stealth strain.
    I guess we can rule out the kalyseeds.eu ones. Funny thing, but doesn't meet the requirements.
    Last edited by teide; 04-01-2020, 22:02. Reason: Too harsh
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      #17
      Good post, clearheaded.
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        #18
        I realized from great contributions in another thread about the grinspoon pheno that the beady bud pheno is to be found in many strains. If it is a haze, thai, mexican or hybrid of these, there is always a chance you'll get the pearl pheno. That is promising. What I would like to know more about is how it can be introgressed.
        Has anyone tried to pass on the pearl pheno in a cross? How does it work? Can it be stabilized?
        Anyone knows the genetics at play? Can you just cross two compatible phenos that show up in f2 and make f3 fully stable pearl phenos like in auto breeding for dummies? Or is there co-dominance and other complexifying factors?
        Last edited by teide; 04-01-2020, 22:25.
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          #19
          Has anyone tried to stabilize the pearl pheno?
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            #20
            I'm starting to think you should be spearheading this project, teide! I wish I had some way to donate genetics, but I don't own any seed stock of any of these strains being talked about.



            Ace says there's only 2 more packs of the Urgam Valley sativa. Might wanna order both!
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              #21
              Originally posted by HillBillyAlien View Post
              Its legit. Just not alot people got into it or grew them. Heard they where hard to grow. Google kaly seeds you can find crap load of info on icmag and other places about him from many years back.
              sometimes when it seems too good to be true ,
              well ...



              im sure you ll find its just a ducksfoot and they are trying to cash in on it ....

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                #22
                I’m pretty sure Kaly seeds has been exposed as a scam of sorts years back. At this point the site seems more a novelty than a serious seed bank.

                There’s a reason there isn’t a single grower on any legit forum that has posted a grow of those. Surely back when they first came out and legalization wasn’t as wide spread it would’ve been a dream go to strain if it was truly legit.

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                  #23
                  Originally posted by Donald Mallard View Post
                  sometimes when it seems too good to be true ,
                  well ...



                  im sure you ll find its just a ducksfoot and they are trying to cash in on it ....
                  Wally, with all your experience with the ducksfoot, have you ever come across strains that keep their webbed leaves throughout the whole flowering? I have not seen a plant that doesn't revert to palmate leaves when budding.
                  Also what do you think of introgressing pearly buds? I have read that introgressing other traits to ducksfoot has proven to be difficult, like different high, color or aroma. You add one, you lose the other.
                  My thought is that it will work with time and enough population to select from.
                  I recall seeing purple hybrids, don't know if they are true breeding, though.
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                    #24
                    Originally posted by q3corn View Post
                    I'm starting to think you should be spearheading this project, teide! I wish I had some way to donate genetics, but I don't own any seed stock of any of these strains being talked about.

                    Ace says there's only 2 more packs of the Urgam Valley sativa. Might wanna order both!
                    Thank you for your support, q3corn!
                    Great that you are rooting for me and the idea!
                    I would love to get started on it. I just don't have the phenos yet.
                    So I would love to see people get on it along with me.
                    Surely there are members out there who have the pearly pheno.
                    Then just get some seeds of the freaky leaf cultivars and we're rolling!
                    Swap seeds and clones.
                    And also contribute with experiences and opinions along the way.
                    Upload photos here and document the grows!

                    I have one freebie dr.grinspoon seed where I'll hope for the pheno. Odds are low.
                    I have a full pack of reg golden tiger from Ace. Dubi has told me the pheno is in the genetics, and I might find it in f2s. I will surely pheno hunt among the GT.
                    I also have auto desfran seeds to pheno hunt through, but that's it. No Neville's haze or Mexican sativas. So it'll be a long time before I get my own pearly buds.
                    When I find the pheno, I will germinate some Freakshow or subterfuge#1 seeds.
                    Still have to buy those, but no need for me to start breeding on those before I have a grinspoon-style bud pheno ready..
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                      #25
                      Originally posted by teide View Post
                      Wally, with all your experience with the ducksfoot, have you ever come across strains that keep their webbed leaves throughout the whole flowering? I have not seen a plant that doesn't revert to palmate leaves when budding.
                      Also what do you think of introgressing pearly buds? I have read that introgressing other traits to ducksfoot has proven to be difficult, like different high, color or aroma. You add one, you lose the other.
                      My thought is that it will work with time and enough population to select from.
                      I recall seeing purple hybrids, don't know if they are true breeding, though.
                      just seems as they flower and the leaf fingers lessen , they look less and less webbed , not much we can do about it , but yea maybe the look of the buds can help ,,

                      ive grown purple ones , we did a cross with blue satellite back in the day and they were quite purple , ive seen others that have done it also , helps a little with the subterfuge ,
                      cant say ive ever been a huge fan of those grape like buds , pearly ones , some have been quite strong ,, but no meat to them ,, lol..



                      true trying to fix too many traits all at once can be a problem , was what i initially messed up with in my original repro of the duck, it was better than it is now ,, some mistakes cant be fixed if one looses the original source , sadly ...

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                        #26
                        Originally posted by HillBillyAlien View Post
                        Pretty sure it does

                        https://kalyseeds.eu/

                        Hops does not contain thc but hops Humulus Japonicus is the closed to cannabis plant and crossing a strain to the Humulus Japonicus can make it have thc
                        I've always been curious about Kaly Seeds and I do belive that through breeding, it could/can be done. Just like people do with many other plant hybrid crosses. This process would likely take hundreds to thousands of seeds, a lab devoted to processing samples for THC and years of selection and note taking to accurately provider seeds with any consistency.

                        However I am somewhat skeptical about the crosses be legitimate. I have a suspicion that the lineage is more of an Italian or Hungarian hemp variety crossed to The Purple Star for the PAC crosses. I would love to see some lab work on the DNA to verify the Japanese Hops as an ancestor. I would really love it if they actually pulled it off
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                          #27
                          Hey Teide!

                          Awesome to see your thread

                          I've been on the hunt for the pearl for a long minute now. Ever since Barney's Farm posted the infamous String of Pearl profile picture on the Dr. Grinspoon. There are a lot of rumors as to the origins of the Grinspoon, with Quaze, Neville's Haze and Senor Garcia as the original stock. From the photos that from Quaze and the timeline I would put my guess that is from where the Grinspoon hails.

                          From what I gather, it's an extreme form of fox-tailing. Very common in higher altitude, South East Asian varieties. The crosses that have Thai or Highland Thai seem to pop out the String of Pearl phenos.

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                          I have also recently found a 100 year old Moroccan landrace (Beldia) from Khalifa Seeds that have a good amount of Haze-y string of pearl phenos in every 12 pack according to the collector. I'm popping some of these seeds now on the search I will do a back cross of the Beldia so I have a larger stock of seeds to pop in the future.

                          Once I find the String of Pearls pheno (hopefully a few) I'm going to cross it with the Pure Australian. I have pollen from a male Australian in the freezer if I find a Moroccan female first. I also have more Australian plants vegging now so I'll do the reverse as well.

                          I know the Australian leaf is recessive so it will take some work to stabilize both traits but that's what I call doing the lords work

                          The Freakshow is still pretty recognizable as cannabis once it's a few nodes high just like the Duck's Foot ( I still love them, grow them and smoke them )

                          Just need to add some Autoflower in, so it doesn't flower at the typical harvest time to disguise the stealth strain even more.

                          I'll keep you posted on my progress.

                          Best of luck to both of us!
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                            #28
                            And the thread just got upgraded to level 2!
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                              #29
                              Originally posted by Donald Mallard View Post
                              as they flower they look less and less webbed , not much we can do about it..
                              That is why I think subterfuge#1 is the best option. Stable mutant leaves throughout the whole life cycle.

                              Originally posted by Donald Mallard View Post
                              cant say ive ever been a huge fan of those grape like buds , pearly ones , some have been quite strong ,, but no meat to them ,, lol...
                              You are in my opinion lucky to have found them, even strong ones, nice. No breeder has so far wanted to work with those pearly phenos. I get that, due to the low yield. The only reason must be the stealthy appearance, and now that stable freak leaves exist, the pearl pheno has merit.
                              What is your opinion on the genetics of the grape like buds, are they recessive? Have you seen them in filial offspring? At what percentage? You as a breeder surely have experienced opinions about introgressing the buds.

                              Originally posted by Donald Mallard View Post
                              trying to fix too many traits all at once can be a problem , was what i initially messed up with in my original repro of the duck, it was better than it is now, some mistakes cant be fixed if one looses the original source, sadly ...
                              Yeah, I read how you lost the original seeds, meant to be in safe keeping, that sucked..
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                                #30
                                Awesome to have you in the thread, Miasa!
                                Originally posted by Miasa Mura View Post
                                Awesome to see your thread
                                From the photos from Quaze and the timeline I would put my guess that is from where the Grinspoon hails.
                                Totally agree.

                                Originally posted by Miasa Mura View Post
                                Very common in higher altitude, South East Asian varieties. The crosses that have Thai or Highland Thai seem to pop out the String of Pearl phenos.

                                I have also recently found a 100 year old Moroccan landrace (Beldia) from Khalifa Seeds I will do a back cross of the Beldia so I have a larger stock of seeds to pop in the future.
                                Great! I have their cambodian landrace, working it to auto. Also have their shebergan. Don't know if these have the pheno. The Cambodian might be related to thai, so there is a small chance..
                                You work the beldia, I work my golden tiger and cambodian, the race is on..

                                Originally posted by Miasa Mura View Post
                                I know the Australian leaf is recessive so it will take some work to stabilize both traits but that's what I call doing the lords work
                                Good info.

                                Originally posted by Miasa Mura View Post
                                Freakshow is still pretty recognizable as cannabis once it's a few nodes high just like the Duck's Foot ( I still love them, grow them and smoke them )
                                Totally agree. From the photos I've seen, ABC and subterfuge #1 have the best leaves.
                                I have read that original ABC is poorer quality compared to regular strains, and that subterfuge#1 is a vastly improved version. Few grow reports yet to give any real verdict, I guess. What are your ABCs like? Worth using as is, potency wise? My thought is that potency might not be so important, the leaf structure is the vital thing. Potency might be governed mostly by the bud genes, which in the hybrid need to come from the other strain, grinspoon, thai or beldia..

                                Originally posted by Miasa Mura View Post
                                Just need to add some Autoflower in, so it doesn't flower at the typical harvest time to disguise the stealth strain even more.
                                Hyb, the breeder of subterfuge, has already made an auto version. It is called auto bastard. Regular seeds are available.
                                I thought about buying those, to save time in getting both the leaves and the auto genes stable.

                                Originally posted by Miasa Mura View Post
                                I'll keep you posted on my progress.

                                Best of luck to both of us!
                                This is great!
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