USA strikes Syria again

[gaiusmarius]

why do you reword what i actually am saying when the quote is right there?

you need to learn that the Jewish people, Israel and zionism are not the same damn thing. until you get that you are not gonna get what people are actually saying and think they are being racist when they are just pissed off at the military actions the state of Israel some times takes. not differentiating between that and actually being against the Jewish people for the sake of their religion would be wrong, racists and bigoted. they are not the same. just like when i curse the Saudi's for their horrific actions in Yemen i'm not being anti Islam, nor anti Saudi citizens.

 

[EasyGoing]

That thread was closed because it ended up in a dumb bitch-fest. It had nothing to do with what Trump said or did. It was what the members were saying and doing.

Once again, exactly my point. Mob rule. The mob decided that thread wasn't in line with their point of views, and derailed the thread.

Super sad, because we are all on a cannabis site, and we should be celebrating federal legalized cannabis. Shouldn't we?

 

[EasyGoing]

why do you reword what i actually am saying when the quote is right there?

you need to learn that the Jewish people, Israel and zionism are not the same damn thing. until you get that you are not gonna get what people are actually saying and think they are being racist when they are just pissed off at the military actions the state of Israel some times takes. not differentiating between that and actually being against the Jewish people for the sake of their religion would be wrong, racists and bigoted. they are not the same. just like when i curse the Saudi's for their horrific actions in Yemen i'm not being anti Islam, nor anti Saudi citizens.

I don't think that....What I do think is a nuke detonated in Tel Avid would wipe out the Jewish race. Or at least 99% and the entire roots of a people. That is what I think

 

[Gypsy Nirvana]

I don't think that....What I do think is a nuke detonated in Tel Avid would wipe out the Jewish race. Or at least 99% and the entire roots of a people. That is what I think

Get ya facts right man....THERE IS NO JEWISH RACE.

Jewish people are multi-racial, same as Islamic/Muslim people, same as Christian people....do you understand?

There is no such thing as the Jewish Race.

 

[EasyGoing]

anybody know what the 12th Imam is? Could this have anything to do with that?

 

[EasyGoing]

Get ya facts right man....THERE IS NO JEWISH RACE.

Jewish people are multi-racial, same as Islamic/Muslim people, same as Christian people....do you understand?

There is no such thing as the Jewish Race.

experts would disagree. With science and stuff

https://www.haaretz.com/jewish/dna-links-prove-jews-are-a-race-says-genetics-expert-1.5220113

 

[gaiusmarius]

I don't think that....What I do think is a nuke detonated in Tel Avid would wipe out the Jewish race. Or at least 99% and the entire roots of a people. That is what I think

no decent human would want that or anything like that to happen. Israel will never have to worry about it's existence anymore as long as it has nukes imo. Arabs need to accept and live with that fact.

the Jewish people live all over the planet too and lets be honest they have a high precentage of artists and philisophers scientists and deep thinkers, inventors. i read that no race has such a high number of high achievers in it's ranks as the Jewish people.

 

[EasyGoing]

no decent human would want that or anything like that to happen. Israel will never have to worry about it's existence anymore as long as it has nukes imo. Arabs need to accept and live with that fact.

the Jewish people live all over the planet too and lets be honest they have a high precentage of artists and philisophers scientists and deep thinkers, inventors. i read that no race has such a high number of high achievers in it's ranks as the Jewish people.

Agree, no decent human would want that.

They say the jewish race has the highest IQ of all races.

https://www.aei.org/publication/the-2011-nobel-prize-and-the-debate-over-jewish-iq/

(no I am not a Jew, for the record.)

Funny, the noble price winner who claimed this, was ridiculed for being racist...... Claiming Jews as a race....... Pretty sure Jewish is a race, and a religion. Look it up for yourselves. You don't have to be a Jew, to be Jewish.

 

[Gypsy Nirvana]

experts would disagree. With science and stuff

https://www.haaretz.com/jewish/dna-links-prove-jews-are-a-race-says-genetics-expert-1.5220113

....and from the same source you linked to above.

https://www.haaretz.com/jewish/jews-are-not-a-race-but-a-nation-1.5178342

 

[TychoMonolyth]

I got a new signature.... And I love it!

Hope if nothing else we can agree if Trump legalizes cannabis at the federal level for legal states, it's a win for the cannabis community!

President Trump has promised a top Senate Republican that he will support congressional efforts to protect states that have legalized marijuana.

Kept a promise? Now that's frigging funny. See how long that lasts.

 

[EasyGoing]

....and from the same source you linked to above.

https://www.haaretz.com/jewish/jews-are-not-a-race-but-a-nation-1.5178342

That article is covering for their own racism......

"The notion that we are a race is destructive. If the Jews are a race, then Zionism is racism; the belief that our state should be there to serve a particular racial type. If the Jews are a race, then parents who don’t want their children to intermarry are racists, pure and simple."

Problem is, Jews are a race. And Zionism is Racism to an extent. Just like people that think American ideals should be held above others are now being called racist.

If you notice, my article gives DNA evidence. Your article has much more political correctiveness behind it. Like I said, mine shows proof through scientific evidence.

Jews are in fact, one of the oldest races on the planet.

 

[EasyGoing]

Everybody ignored my comment.......

Could this war in Syria have anything to do with the 12th Imam and the return of the mahdi?

 

[EasyGoing]

President Trump has promised a top Senate Republican that he will support congressional efforts to protect states that have legalized marijuana.

Kept a promise? Now that's frigging funny. See how long that lasts.

Well, the facts show yes he does follow through. Less than two years in and this is what he promised, and what he has followed through on.

https://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/promises/trumpometer/

Not a bad record at all really.

(for the record, I say this as somebody that doesn't like Trump for the most part)

 

[Gypsy Nirvana]

The Jews Are Not A Race!


Dr. Alfred M. Lilienthal, historian, journalist and lecturer, is a graduate of Cornell University and Columbia Law School. During the Second World War, he served with the US Army in the Middle East. He later served with the Department of State, and as a consultant to the American delegation at the organising meeting of the United Nations in San Francisco.

Since 1947, he has been at the forefront in the struggle for a balanced US policy in the Middle East. He is the author of several acclaimed books on the Middle East, including The Zionist Connection. He now lives in Washington, DC.

On December 18, 1993 Dr. Lilienthal celebrated both his 80th birthday and the 40th anniversary of his first book, What Price 'Israel'? Dr Lilienthal, who is a courageous anti-Zionist Jew, was joined by more than 200 guests who travelled from all over the United States to attend. The following excerpt is taken from this first book, What Price 'Israel'?


Today, to trace anyone's descent to ancient Palestine would be a genealogical impossibility; and to presume, axiomatically, such a descent for Jews, alone among all human groups, is an assumption of purely fictional significance. Most everybody in the Western world could stake out some claim of Palestinian descent if genealogical records could be established for two-thousand years. And there are, indeed, people who, though not by the widest stretch of imagination Jewish, proudly make that very claim: some of the oldest of the South's aristocratic families play a game of comparing whose lineage goes farther back into 'Israel'. No one knows what happened to the Ten Lost Tribes of 'Israel', but to speculate on who might be who is a favored Anglo-Saxon pastime, and Queen Victoria belonged to an 'Israelite' Society that traced the ancestry of its membership back to those lost tribes.

Twelve tribes started in Canaan about thirty-five centuries ago; and not only that ten of them disappeared - more than half of the members of the remaining two tribes never returned from their "exile" in Babylon. How then, can anybody claim to descend directly from that relatively small community which inhabited the Holy Land at the time of Abraham's Covenant with God?

The Jewish racial myth flows from the fact that the words Hebrew, 'Israelite', Jew, Judaism, and the Jewish people have been used synonymously to suggest a historic continuity. But this is a misuse. These words refer to different groups of people with varying ways of life in different periods in history. Hebrew is a term correctly applied to the period from the beginning of Biblical history to the settling in Canaan. 'Israelite' refers correctly to the members of the twelve tribes of 'Israel'. The name Yehudi or Jew is used in the Old Testament to designate members of the tribe of Judah, descendants of the fourth son of Jacob, as well as to denote citizens of the Kingdom of Judah, particularly at the time of Jeremiah and under the Persian occupation. Centuries later, the same word came to be applied to anyone, no matter of what origin, whose religion was Judaism.

The descriptive name Judaism was never heard by the Hebrews or 'Israelites'; it appears only with Christianity. Flavius Josephus was one of the first to use the name in his recital of the war with the Romans to connote a totality of beliefs, moral commandments, religious practices and ceremonial institutions of Galilee which he believed superior to rival Hellenism. When the word Judaism was born, there was no longer a Hebrew-'Israelite' state. The people who embraced the creed of Judaism were already mixed of many races and strains; and this diversification was rapidly growing...

Perhaps the most significant mass conversion to the Judaic faith occurred in Europe, in the 8th century A.D., and that story of the Khazars (Turko-Finnish people) is quite pertinent to the establishment of the modern State of 'Israel'. This partly nomadic people, probably related to the Volga Bulgars, first appeared in Trans-Caucasia in the second century. They settled in what is now Southern Russia, between the Volga and the Don, and then spread to the shores of the Black, Caspian and Azov seas. The Kingdom of Khazaria, ruled by a khagan or khakan fell to Attila the Hun in 448, and to the Muslims in 737. In between, the Khazars ruled over part of the Bulgarians, conquered the Crimea, and stretched their kingdom over the Caucasus farther to the northwest to include Kiev, and eastwards to Derbend. Annual tributes were levied on the Russian Slavonians of Kiev. The city of Kiev was probably built by the Khazars. There were Jews in the city and the surrounding area before the Russian Empire was founded by the Varangians whom the Scandinavian warriors sometimes called the Russ or Ross (circa 855-863).

The influence of the Khazars extended into what is now Hungary and Roumania. Today, the villages of Kozarvar and Kozard in Transylvania bear testimony to the penetration of the Khazars who, with the Magyars, then proceeded into present-day Hungary. The size and power of the Kingdom of Khazaria is indicated by the act that it sent an army of 40,000 soldiers (in 626-627) to help Heraclius of the Byzantines to conquer the Persians. The Jewish Encyclopedia proudly refers to Khazaria as having had a "well constituted and tolerant government, a flourishing trade and a well disciplined army."

Jews who had been banished from Constantinople by the Byzantine ruler, Leo III, found a home amongst these heretofore pagan Khazars and, in competition with Mohammedan and Christian missionaries, won them over to the Judaic faith. Bulan, the ruler of Khazaria, became converted to Judaism around 740 A.D. His nobles and, somewhat later, his people followed suit. Some details of these events are contained in letters exchanged between Khagan Joseph of Khazaria and R. Hasdai Ibn Shaprut of Cordova, doctor and quasi foreign minister to Sultan Abd al-Rahman, the Caliph of Spain. This correspondence (around 936-950) was first published in 1577 to prove that the Jews still had a country of their own - namely, the Kingdom of Khazaria. Judah Halevi knew of the letters even in 1140. Their authenticity has since been established beyond doubt.

According to these Hasdai-Joseph letters, Khagan Bulan decided one day: "Paganism is useless. It is shameful for us to be pagans. Let us adopt one of the heavenly religions, Christianity, Judaism or Islam." And Bulan summoned three priests representing the three religions and had them dispute their creeds before him. But, no priest could convince the others, or the sovereign, that his religion was the best. So the ruler spoke to each of them separately. He asked the Christian priest: "If you were not a Christian or had to give up Christianity, which would you prefer - Islam or Judaism?" The priest said: "If I were to give up Christianity, I would become a Jew." Bulan then asked the follower of Islam the same question, and the Moslem also chose Judaism. This is how Bulan came to choose Judaism for himself and the people of Khazaria in the seventh century A.D., and thereafter the Khazars (sometimes spelled Chazars and Khozars) lived according to Judaic laws.

Under the rule of Obadiah, Judaism gained further strength in Khazaria. Synagogues and schools were built to give instruction in the Bible and the Talmud. As Professor Graetz notes in his History of the Jews, "A successor of Bulan who bore the Hebrew name of Obadiah was the first to make serious efforts to further the Jewish religion. He invited Jewish sages to settle in his dominions, rewarded them royally... and introduced a divine service modeled on the ancient communities. After Obadiah came a long series of Jewish Chagans (Khagans), for according to a fundamental law of the state only Jewish rulers were permitted to ascend the throne." Khazar traders brought not only silks and carpets of Persia and the Near East but also their Judaic faith to the banks of the Vistula and the Volga. But the Kingdom of Khazaria was invaded by the Russians, and Itil, its great capital, fell to Sweatoslav of Kiev in 969. The Byzantines had become afraid and envious of the Khazars and, in a joint expedition with the Russians, conquered the Crimean portion of Khazaria in 1016. (Crimea was known as "Chazaria" until the 13th century). The Khazarian Jews were scattered throughout what is now Russia and Eastern Europe. Some were taken North where they joined the established Jewish community of Kiev.

Others returned to the Caucasus. Many Khazars remarried in the Crimea and in Hungary. The Cagh Chafut, or "mountain Jews," in the Caucasus and the Hebraile Jews of Georgia are their descendants. These "Ashkenazim Jews" (as Jews of Eastern Europe are called), whose numbers were swelled by Jews who fled from Germany at the time of the Crusades and during the Black Death, have little or no trace of Semitic blood.

That the Khazars are the lineal ancestors of Eastern European Jewry is a historical fact. Jewish historians and religious text books acknowledge the fact, though the propagandists of Jewish nationalism belittle it as pro-Arab propaganda. Somewhat ironically, Volume IV of the Jewish Encyclopedia - because this publication spells Khazars with a "C" instead of a "K" - is titled "Chazars to Dreyfus": and it was the Dreyfus trial, as interpreted by Theodor Herzl, that made the modern Jewish Khazars of Russia forget their descent from converts to Judaism and accept anti-Semitism as proof of their Palestinian origin.

For all that anthropologists know, Hitler's ancestry might go back to one of the ten Lost Tribes of 'Israel'; while Weizmann may be a descendant of the Khazars, the converts to Judaism who were in no anthropological respect related to Palestine. The home to which Weizmann, Silver and so many other Ashkenazim Zionists have yearned to return has most likely never been theirs. "Here's a paradox, a paradox, a most ingenious paradox": in anthropological fact, many Christians may have much more Hebrew-'Israelite' blood in their veins than most of their Jewish neighbors.

Race can play funny tricks on people who make that concept the basis for their likes and dislikes. Race-obsessed people can find themselves hating people who, in fact, may be their own racial kith and kin.

http://www.raceandhistory.com/historicalviews/jewsnotrace.htm

 

[EasyGoing]

Great.....

DNA proof says they are a race.......

DNA can track your entire family history.

To be honest, some old guy that wrote a book doesn't change my opinion. Especially a notorious lefty. I don't think I changed your opinion either. We will just have to disagree here. However I point you to the oldest history books in the world, they all claim Jews as a race. History has always called the Jews a race. DNA evidence can track Jewish linage. The bible calls the Jews a race, over two thousand years ago. Current libtards are the ones claiming jews are not a race. IMO, and wont be changed.

Tell ya what, you quote a source older than 1900, I will give you credit.

 

[EasyGoing]

For the record, the whole Jews are not a race thing was really pushed by........ Guess who........ Hitler.

Wiki
Racial antisemitism is a form of antisemitism or prejudice against Jews based on the belief that Jews are a racial or ethnic group, rather than prejudice against Judaism as a religion.[1] The definition is based on the premise that Jews constitute a distinctive race or ethnic group, whose traits or characteristics are in some way abhorrent or inherently inferior or otherwise different to that of the rest of society. The abhorrence may be expressed in the form of stereotypes or caricatures. Racial antisemitism may present Jews, as a group, as being a threat in some way to the values or safety of society. Racial antisemitism could be seen as worse than religious antisemitism because for religious antisemites conversion was an option and once converted the 'Jew' was gone. With racial antisemitism a Jew could not get rid of their Jewishness.[2]


or another source

https://www.nybooks.com/articles/2015/09/24/hitlers-world/
Hitler saw the species as divided into races, but denied that the Jews were one. Jews were not a lower or a higher race, but a nonrace, or a counterrace. Races followed nature and fought for land and food, whereas Jews followed the alien logic of “un-nature.”



God I love when I am not on Hitlers side of an argument.

 

[Gypsy Nirvana]

Great.....

DNA proof says they are a race.......

DNA can track your entire family history.

To be honest, some old guy that wrote a book doesn't change my opinion. Especially a notorious lefty. I don't think I changed your opinion either. We will just have to disagree here. However I point you to the oldest history books in the world, they all claim Jews as a race. History has always called the Jews a race. DNA evidence can track Jewish linage. The bible calls the Jews a race, over two thousand years ago. Current libtards are the ones claiming jews are not a race. IMO, and wont be changed.

Tell ya what, you quote a source older than 1900, I will give you credit.

What is it with you?...Do you find it difficult to go thru life without using the word 'libtard'.....and 'lefty?'...and then expect others to not counter that, if they happen to be of some other persuasion?

Try having an adult conversation without expousing whatever political beliefs you might have by not constantly regaling what you perceive as the opposition.

DNA evidence could probably track us all back to the amoeba.....and thru Palestine along the way.

 

[EasyGoing]

Ok, sorry. I will for now on use "people from the left". Not "libtard" or "lefty."

So if DNA can be so accurate, why do you not believe in DNA evidence regarding Jewish people?

Did you find anything pre 1900 that agrees with your position?

I bring up Hitler, not to stop the conversation. But to show the genesis of this ideology. If I am mistaken, please share.

 

[Gypsy Nirvana]

Ok, sorry. I will for now on use "people from the left". Not "libtard" or "lefty."

So if DNA can be so accurate, why do you not believe in DNA evidence regarding Jewish people?

Did you find anything pre 1900 that agrees with your position?

I bring up Hitler, not to stop the conversation. But to show the genesis of this ideology. If I am mistaken, please share.

I refer you to post number 134....I made some moments ago.

Plenty of pre-1900 history there, try reading it.

 

[EasyGoing]

I read the entire thing. Nothing pre 1900. Please quote if I missed it.

This guy is quoting current ideology. I asked for something written before 1900. Not facts twisted by somebody in the 19th century, talking about the 1900's


Once again the reason for me saying this, is I believe this idology saying Jews are not a race was started by people like Hitler in the 1900's, you can quote some going into the 1800's if you look hard enough. However my counter to this, is the bible, and any written books before this time period all claimed the jews as a race. DNA evidence supports this as well.

I also believe that the ideology is being pushed by progressives. Changing history as they go. This can be tracked directly to Nazi Germany