leroymmj
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I belong to a medical site and I went back and found a smoke report from a respectable professional and a grow report from the guy that has worked with it the most. I hope this helps anyone who is ill sort thru the hype to find out what works best for you... ;-)
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E-32 Trainwreck
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Non STANDARD SMOKE REPORT V1.0b4
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IDENTIFICATION
=================================================
Date: 11/21/05
Strain: E-32 REAL Trainwreck
Judge: GM
Breeder: There is only one breeder.....Clone Only Strain
Grower: GM
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PHYSICAL EXAMINATION
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1. Visual Appeal: Rate the visual appeal of the buds from 1-10 unappealing-excellent. 7
2. Visible Trichomes: Rate the visible trichome content from 1-10 none-totally covered. 10+ Totally Sugar Coated
3. Use an X to indicate the colors that are present in the trichome heads under magnification or list the percentages of each color for a more precise report.
Clear [ 10] Cloudy [60 ] Amber [30 ] Dark [0 ]
4. Mark with X the colors that are present in the buds or for a more detailed color analysis rate presence on a scale 1-9 light-dark.
Brown [ ] Green [ 4] Gold [2 ] Blue [ ] Grey [8 ] White [ ] Red [ ] Rust [ ] Orange [ ] Purple [ ] Black [ ]
5. Bud density: [5 ] Rate the bud density from 1-10 airy-dense.
6. Use numbers 1-9 on descriptors that apply to the aroma of freshly broken bud where a one indicates a subtle presence and 9 indicates a pronounced presence.
[ ] Petroleum*
[ ] Menthol*
[ ] Lemon*
*Lemon Pine Sol cleaner with Vicks menthol chest rub, mixed with degreaser - very distictive and STRONG.
Odor escapes "baggies", oven bags are suggested for transport.
7. Aroma [ 9] Rate the aroma from 1-10 repulsive-delightful. Use freshly crumbled bud for best results.
8. Seed content [ 0] Rate seed content from 0-10 none-fully seeded.
9. Weeks cured [ 8] If known enter the number of weeks your sample has been cured. If desired repeat SSR after an additional two weeks of curing.
PHYSICAL EXAMINATION COMMENTS: Loose, grey nuggets. Leaves
a ton of crystal in the jar or anything a bud is set on.
==================================================
THE SMOKE TEST
==================================================
Address these questions while smoking.
1. Please use a clean instrument for the evaluation. Enter information below that will identify the instrument as follows:
Water pipe [Bong]
Vaporizer (enter the brand name) [Volcano ]
Joint (enter brand of papers) [ Rizla Silver ]
2. Use numbers 1-9 on descriptors that apply to the taste where a one indicates a subtle presence and a nine indicates a very pronounced presence. Delete the existing space when marking a descriptor in order to maintain the columns in alignment.
Petroleum [9]
Menthol [9]
Mint [5]
Lemon [9]
If appropriate return to this question after 5-10 minutes and mark
with X any unmarked descriptors for lingering aftertaste.
3. Taste [9] Rate your impression of the taste from 1-10 unpleasant-delicious.
4. State of dryness [5] Rate the dryness of the bud from 1-10 wet-dry where 5 is ideal.
5. Smoke ability [8] Rate the smoke ability of the sample from 1-10 harsh-smooth.
6. Smoke expansion [6] Rate how the smoke expands in the lungs from 1-10 stable-explodes.
SMOKE TEST COMMENTS:
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FOLLOW UP QUESTIONS
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Address final questions immediately after effects have worn off.
1. Dosage [ 3] Enter the number of hits taken to reach desired effects.
2. Effect onset [ 3] Rate how quickly the effect hit from 1-10 immediate-major creeper.
3. Sativa influence [7 - 8] Rate the sativa influence detected from 0-10 none-extreme. Sativa influence is best described as a clear and energetic mental effect.
4. Indica influence [ 4] Rate the indica influence detected from 0-10 none-extreme. Indica influence is best described as a sedative, lethargic or numbing effect that affects the body.
5. Potency [ 10 Weapons Grade] Rate the potency of the sample from 0-10 none-devastating.
6. Duration [ 3] Indicate the number of hours the effects lasted.
7. Tolerance build up [ 3] Rate how quickly tolerance builds from 0-10 none-rapid. Leave this field blank if you have not used this sample repeatedly.
8. Usability Rate on a scale of 1-9 where a one indicates the worst time of day to consume this strain and a nine represents the ideal time of day. Leave field(s) blank if you have not yet formed an opinion.
Morning - wake up [ 7] Day - work [9 ] Evening - relax [7 ] Night - sleep [ 4]
9. Overall satisfaction [ 10] Rate your overall satisfaction from 1-10 poor-Holy Grail.
10.Ability and conditions [10 ] Rate your overall ability to judge from 1-10 low-high. Consider experience, strain familiarity, atmosphere, current tolerance and most importantly the condition and preparation of the sample.
11.Judging from the sample alone do you personally consider this
strain a keeper for long term use. Yes [XXXXXXXXXXX!!! ]
12.Rate the noticable effects on a scale of 1-9 mild-severe. Take care to use the appropriate column for your response.
What effect did the strain have check [P] off if the you got a POSITIVE EFFECT and check [N] if you had a NEGATIVE EFFECT
[P] [N] Ability to rest or sit still
[X] Anxiety relief - For me: [P] For others sensitive to sativia's, perhaps [N]
[P] Appetite
[P] [N] Audio perception
[P] Humor perception
[P] Imagination/creativity
[N] Paranoia relief
[P] Sex drive (sex overdrive?)
[N] Sleep
[P+++] Pain relief
[P] [N] Speech process
[P] [N] Taste perception
[P] Thought process
[P] [N] Visual perception
EXTENDED MEDICAL SURVEY (optional)
What effect did the strain have check [P] off if the you got a POSITIVE EFFECT and check [N] if you had a NEGATIVE EFFECT
[P] [N]ADD/ADHD
[P] [N]Alcoholism/Alcohol Abuse
[P] [N]Allergic rhinitis
[P] [N]Amphetamine Dependence
[P] [N]Anorexia
[P++] Arthritis/Musculoskeletar pain
[P] [N]Asthma/Cough
[P] [N]Bipolar disorder
[P] [N]Cancer/Chemotherapy
[P+] Chronic fatigue
[P+] Depression
[P] [N]Diarrhea
[P] [N]Drusen of Optic Nerve
[P] [N]Epilepsy
[P] [N]Glaucoma
[P] [N]Hiccough
[P] [N]High blood pressure/Racingpulse
[P] [N]Insomnia
[P] [N]Itching
[P] [N]Migraine/vascular headache
[P+] Muscle Spasm
[P] [N]Muscular movement disorders
[P] Nausea
[P] [N]Panic Attack
[P] [N]Peripheral nerve pain
[P] [N]Post traumatic Stress Disorder
[P] [N]Pre Menstrual Syndrome
[P] [N]Sedative/Opiate Dependence
[P] [N]Schizophrenia
[P] [N]SLE - systemic lupus erythematosus
[P++] Spasticity in Multiple Sclerosis
FINAL COMMENTS:
EXCELLENT for MS pain and spasticity. Depression lifter. Can cause anxiety in
some patients...dose slowly. One of a kind taste.
Unlike many imitators, this strain lives up to it's legend....weapons grade cannabis for serious pain and depression. EXTREMELY hard to find "real" clones of this strain. Often other hybrids are passed off as E-32 Trainwreck.
No seeds available.
Excellent for nerve pain, arthritis and depression...Use care when smoking to avoid overdosage.
Plants are totally coated with crystals base to top, even the stems are frosted causing the buds to appear GREY.
I love this strain. I haven't smoked any in a month. This well cured batch inspired me to write a smoke report. The bubble from TW will curl your toes.
If your eyes don't bug out...it isn't real 'wreck.
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Originally Posted by Berserker aka E-32
Grower Report - Berserker on February 9, 2004, 4:10 am
Trainwreck
2 Images Overall Rating: 8 Effect: Varied effects
Potency: 10 Stature: Average size
Yield: 4 Phenotype: Mixed, primarily Sativa
Ease: 8 Indoor: 40 to 45 days
Appearance: 5 Outdoor: Not Listed
Odor Level: 10 Odor: Minty, very distinctive!
Taste Level: 10 Taste: Cough choke - what?
Grower's Tilt: 10 Sexes: Standard (M/F)
SI Rating: Not Listed Vintage: October, 2003
Been growing wreck for some time now - basically mono crop it - my patients LOVE IT - and everything else I've tried on them they are not interested in - though lately some of the PAIN people - like something lighter and more Indica (Burmiess and LifeSaver). All my AIDS and CANCER, MS et al people love the 'reck.'
As far as growing it - I'm told it is hard for some people - especially if their used to 'stab and root' strains like most Broad Leafs - that root with no problem - and just grow -
Food is a problem - as over feeding burns the thin leaves - PPM's of 1100 is about tops - unless at the end - you want to give them a good JOLT!!! .. but early on - TW is pretty easily burnt.
Mold resistant - in fact I've heard again and again - that it just doesn't mold. (Airy plant - no real place for mold or powdery mildew to stick!)
Mites can be a problem - use Botanigaurd & Pyrethrum to knock them back - always have a few ... rather have THEM then POISON people already sick!
Up above - OG asks about 'effect' 'taste' 'Appearance' and such -
TW has a U of Miss rating of 21.4% THC - it looks HORRIBLE - wispy once dry - BUT once you've had it - you'll compare it to the 'best' I've ever had. Also the DISTINCTIVE SMELL (STINK) of mint that almost goes though anything.
Garden Information for this report
Bloom Wattage Used: 5000w
Average Plant Height: 36
Plants per Sq. Foot: 2.50
Average Yield per Plant: 2.30
Pruning or Plant Style: Screen of Green SCROG
Fertilization Method: Organically fed
10 patients (caregives - sb420 - collective, cooperative cultivation )
14 plants in 32 sq. ft (image)
clone 10 to 14 days under 40 watt fluoros
veg 28
F 42
1000 watts in veg
2 1000ys HPS in flower
feed to waste - FISH E. / Botanigaurd
Clones NO FOOD - Micostop / dip'ngrow
veg - early 4x4 250PPM's
veg - late 9x9 (2.5 gal) 500 PPM's
F - 900 PPM's
planted in 'soiless' (power flower + 1/2 perlite)
Drip - h2o 4 min. 4 times day time
from rooting cubes - I shove them into 4x4's of flower power (Dan’s good dirt - as we been call it here for years) - keep them under the fluoros for a few (4) days - then TP up to the 9x9's (square) pots - and shove them under a 1000y HID - and "pep them up" with fish at 500 PPM's and some maxicrop for micros. they jump and in 2 weeks - (at about 16in) we cut back ALL the bottom branching and leaves - up to the top 4 or 5 - and tip out the top (making for like a rose or fuchsia tree) --
Smaller plants (weaker ones) we don't take as much of the "under brush" out of - so they have "BIOMASS" to use the light - but bigger ones - we take EVERYTHING out _ "Shave their legs" ..
In 6 weeks of total time from cutting clones - we put them in flower - and let them go - pushing branches back down into the canopy to keep them short --
6 weeks in flower and their done (works out nice that way};-) low to no "N" high P/K and micros - but if they seems to need a bit of greening up - we been known to hand water some fishy into them!
TW is basically a Thai low land sativa that got into the mix up here back in the early 80’s. Out doors it’s a huge “weeper creeper” that takes up TONS of space and takes 9 months to come in. It’s original parents were brought back from Thailand by some vagabond-os wanting to reproduce Thai-stick phenotype. For how the plant looks when grown FROM SEED – or just left to grow – see Clark’s MB pg. 177 “Creeper phenotype” The main problem with the ‘elusive’ TW seeds – is they really aren’t that elusive – its just that the strain (originally – real deal) uses the pair of genes that are “length of time from germination” sensitive. These run the veg time out for almost a full 9 months. Once these genes are ‘satisfied’ then TW blooms really fast (42 days done). In fact if left longer – it tends to just “blow out” and never makes tight again.
This is unlike most strains (especially broad leaves) that will blow in and out of veg / flower. Elongating only to later (few days) fill back in to then repeat the elongation and filling in process of the “buds.” TW doesn’t do this – once it “blows out” it just stays BLOWN – with little “budlets” on the tip of each ‘bracket’ just growing little stems between the parts of the bud – making for a pruning night mare!
Earlier I mention that the length of time it takes to flower makes the seeds a hassle to re-produce. Its not really for if you have de’ Reck – then all you got to do is bust some beans and go for it – but people try and try to ‘back breed’ or x-breed da’ wreck – and they fail to produce anything that has the QUALITY of TW – reason being that IF they did find the ‘real TW’ in their ‘back breeding’ or what ever – it would include this 9 month to flower time – and they’d think that the plant was NEVER going to flower and cut it down before the supposed NON-flowering plant took over their garden.
So yea – you can do TW from seed – it just takes so damn long to come in – everyone uses clones – HECK even in the FIELD – people who do TW do it from clones – because THEN = ONCE THAT GENE PAIR is satisfied – THEN it comes in – in 42 days – as so as you drop the light time to 12 hrs – or soon as the day length starts to drop …
[note: if clones more then 14 days old sans roots - toss them - the weakness of this strain - is such that if they pick up any infections it will rip though clones - whipping them all out - your better to just cut another batch - they will 'beat out' anything that you try to keep alive]
Report added by: Berserker Last edited by: Burramys Parvus on February 19, 2004, 5:26 am
Just a note, the 9 month thing is a myth, designed to persude people not to dilute TW...There is no 9 month limitation.
And real seeds do exist.
CBF knows alot about the T.W. I see him around the boards.
Originally Posted by leroy
I would imagine all this drama and mis-info swirling around the Trainwreck strain & origins have made grown men cry and Beserker laugh his ass-off.
I can say the TreeWreck pheno looks alot like this drawing and also had a few male flowers along the lower stems and lightly seeded itself. Kinda like how it happened in the first place. Below is a thread from C-W forum.
woodhorse/meduser's TW offerin is from Hillbilly Dreams, otherwise known as Tucks Wreck. which TW plant Tuck used im unaware of, but his offerin is a cross with TW worked back to the TW. have heard that he used a "creeper Pheno" meanin it grows like a vine, fallin all over. i believe meduser has continued to select towards the TW cut. he also has a TW jumbo line as well.
some of ya might remember DrJay, he was a TW affectionado, and had Tucks wreck, which he had planned on doin some work with. he talked alot about TW, and was pretty close to beserker. one point he had made was that TW from seed was a nine month plant. somethin about a gene from germination.
"
There are three genes that control flowering. Two of them relate to
changes in photoperiod and these two control most strains. The third
gene relates to time from germination and that gene predominates in
Train Wreck as well as some other tropical strains.
Yours,
Dr. Jay"
in otherwords, the TW will not flower till that gene is satisfied. hence the clones. id imagine its the Thai in the plant.
Richard Williams has also worked with Tucks Wreck, and used what he described as the creeper phenotype in his DeepWreck(TW X DeepChunk) currently veggin here.
heres a few shots of the arcata cut i keep, and the other pic is a drawin from beserker of the original TW plant. which looks a aweful lot like the arcata cut.
ive grown the arcata cut with no support, and it fell over the edges of the pot, i kept liftin the pot durin flower as the branchin got closer to the floor. the whole plant hung over the pot, like a house plant, like a spider plant.
CBF
A couple of notes that aren't speculation... "Dr. Jay" didn't have Tuck's "trainwreck". He had Berserkers E-32 and an "Alaskan Wreck".
The nine month gene crap was invented to keep people from breeding , selfing (S-1's) the plant.
Berserker had found that crossing real wreck with other strains changed TW's unique cannabinoid profile changing the properties of the plant that made it such good medicine....so hence the "smokescreen" to protect the strain till Berserker could find a trustworthy site to distribute real TW seeds.....TY was going to be that site.
But with Marco's run in with the law...Berserker said he would provide them when the legal problems Marco has were resolved.
Below is a drawing from Clark's Bible and the pic is when I grew the Arcata cut along side Tuck's cut/woodhorse/meduser/Vanwreck seeds. Tuck's cut has more Afghani in it, alot more red hairs and the stems do not need support.
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E-32 Trainwreck
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Non STANDARD SMOKE REPORT V1.0b4
=================================================
IDENTIFICATION
=================================================
Date: 11/21/05
Strain: E-32 REAL Trainwreck
Judge: GM
Breeder: There is only one breeder.....Clone Only Strain
Grower: GM
=================================================
PHYSICAL EXAMINATION
=================================================
1. Visual Appeal: Rate the visual appeal of the buds from 1-10 unappealing-excellent. 7
2. Visible Trichomes: Rate the visible trichome content from 1-10 none-totally covered. 10+ Totally Sugar Coated
3. Use an X to indicate the colors that are present in the trichome heads under magnification or list the percentages of each color for a more precise report.
Clear [ 10] Cloudy [60 ] Amber [30 ] Dark [0 ]
4. Mark with X the colors that are present in the buds or for a more detailed color analysis rate presence on a scale 1-9 light-dark.
Brown [ ] Green [ 4] Gold [2 ] Blue [ ] Grey [8 ] White [ ] Red [ ] Rust [ ] Orange [ ] Purple [ ] Black [ ]
5. Bud density: [5 ] Rate the bud density from 1-10 airy-dense.
6. Use numbers 1-9 on descriptors that apply to the aroma of freshly broken bud where a one indicates a subtle presence and 9 indicates a pronounced presence.
[ ] Petroleum*
[ ] Menthol*
[ ] Lemon*
*Lemon Pine Sol cleaner with Vicks menthol chest rub, mixed with degreaser - very distictive and STRONG.
Odor escapes "baggies", oven bags are suggested for transport.
7. Aroma [ 9] Rate the aroma from 1-10 repulsive-delightful. Use freshly crumbled bud for best results.
8. Seed content [ 0] Rate seed content from 0-10 none-fully seeded.
9. Weeks cured [ 8] If known enter the number of weeks your sample has been cured. If desired repeat SSR after an additional two weeks of curing.
PHYSICAL EXAMINATION COMMENTS: Loose, grey nuggets. Leaves
a ton of crystal in the jar or anything a bud is set on.
==================================================
THE SMOKE TEST
==================================================
Address these questions while smoking.
1. Please use a clean instrument for the evaluation. Enter information below that will identify the instrument as follows:
Water pipe [Bong]
Vaporizer (enter the brand name) [Volcano ]
Joint (enter brand of papers) [ Rizla Silver ]
2. Use numbers 1-9 on descriptors that apply to the taste where a one indicates a subtle presence and a nine indicates a very pronounced presence. Delete the existing space when marking a descriptor in order to maintain the columns in alignment.
Petroleum [9]
Menthol [9]
Mint [5]
Lemon [9]
If appropriate return to this question after 5-10 minutes and mark
with X any unmarked descriptors for lingering aftertaste.
3. Taste [9] Rate your impression of the taste from 1-10 unpleasant-delicious.
4. State of dryness [5] Rate the dryness of the bud from 1-10 wet-dry where 5 is ideal.
5. Smoke ability [8] Rate the smoke ability of the sample from 1-10 harsh-smooth.
6. Smoke expansion [6] Rate how the smoke expands in the lungs from 1-10 stable-explodes.
SMOKE TEST COMMENTS:
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FOLLOW UP QUESTIONS
==================================================
Address final questions immediately after effects have worn off.
1. Dosage [ 3] Enter the number of hits taken to reach desired effects.
2. Effect onset [ 3] Rate how quickly the effect hit from 1-10 immediate-major creeper.
3. Sativa influence [7 - 8] Rate the sativa influence detected from 0-10 none-extreme. Sativa influence is best described as a clear and energetic mental effect.
4. Indica influence [ 4] Rate the indica influence detected from 0-10 none-extreme. Indica influence is best described as a sedative, lethargic or numbing effect that affects the body.
5. Potency [ 10 Weapons Grade] Rate the potency of the sample from 0-10 none-devastating.
6. Duration [ 3] Indicate the number of hours the effects lasted.
7. Tolerance build up [ 3] Rate how quickly tolerance builds from 0-10 none-rapid. Leave this field blank if you have not used this sample repeatedly.
8. Usability Rate on a scale of 1-9 where a one indicates the worst time of day to consume this strain and a nine represents the ideal time of day. Leave field(s) blank if you have not yet formed an opinion.
Morning - wake up [ 7] Day - work [9 ] Evening - relax [7 ] Night - sleep [ 4]
9. Overall satisfaction [ 10] Rate your overall satisfaction from 1-10 poor-Holy Grail.
10.Ability and conditions [10 ] Rate your overall ability to judge from 1-10 low-high. Consider experience, strain familiarity, atmosphere, current tolerance and most importantly the condition and preparation of the sample.
11.Judging from the sample alone do you personally consider this
strain a keeper for long term use. Yes [XXXXXXXXXXX!!! ]
12.Rate the noticable effects on a scale of 1-9 mild-severe. Take care to use the appropriate column for your response.
What effect did the strain have check [P] off if the you got a POSITIVE EFFECT and check [N] if you had a NEGATIVE EFFECT
[P] [N] Ability to rest or sit still
[X] Anxiety relief - For me: [P] For others sensitive to sativia's, perhaps [N]
[P] Appetite
[P] [N] Audio perception
[P] Humor perception
[P] Imagination/creativity
[N] Paranoia relief
[P] Sex drive (sex overdrive?)
[N] Sleep
[P+++] Pain relief
[P] [N] Speech process
[P] [N] Taste perception
[P] Thought process
[P] [N] Visual perception
EXTENDED MEDICAL SURVEY (optional)
What effect did the strain have check [P] off if the you got a POSITIVE EFFECT and check [N] if you had a NEGATIVE EFFECT
[P] [N]ADD/ADHD
[P] [N]Alcoholism/Alcohol Abuse
[P] [N]Allergic rhinitis
[P] [N]Amphetamine Dependence
[P] [N]Anorexia
[P++] Arthritis/Musculoskeletar pain
[P] [N]Asthma/Cough
[P] [N]Bipolar disorder
[P] [N]Cancer/Chemotherapy
[P+] Chronic fatigue
[P+] Depression
[P] [N]Diarrhea
[P] [N]Drusen of Optic Nerve
[P] [N]Epilepsy
[P] [N]Glaucoma
[P] [N]Hiccough
[P] [N]High blood pressure/Racingpulse
[P] [N]Insomnia
[P] [N]Itching
[P] [N]Migraine/vascular headache
[P+] Muscle Spasm
[P] [N]Muscular movement disorders
[P] Nausea
[P] [N]Panic Attack
[P] [N]Peripheral nerve pain
[P] [N]Post traumatic Stress Disorder
[P] [N]Pre Menstrual Syndrome
[P] [N]Sedative/Opiate Dependence
[P] [N]Schizophrenia
[P] [N]SLE - systemic lupus erythematosus
[P++] Spasticity in Multiple Sclerosis
FINAL COMMENTS:
EXCELLENT for MS pain and spasticity. Depression lifter. Can cause anxiety in
some patients...dose slowly. One of a kind taste.
Unlike many imitators, this strain lives up to it's legend....weapons grade cannabis for serious pain and depression. EXTREMELY hard to find "real" clones of this strain. Often other hybrids are passed off as E-32 Trainwreck.
No seeds available.
Excellent for nerve pain, arthritis and depression...Use care when smoking to avoid overdosage.
Plants are totally coated with crystals base to top, even the stems are frosted causing the buds to appear GREY.
I love this strain. I haven't smoked any in a month. This well cured batch inspired me to write a smoke report. The bubble from TW will curl your toes.
If your eyes don't bug out...it isn't real 'wreck.
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Originally Posted by Berserker aka E-32
Grower Report - Berserker on February 9, 2004, 4:10 am
Trainwreck
2 Images Overall Rating: 8 Effect: Varied effects
Potency: 10 Stature: Average size
Yield: 4 Phenotype: Mixed, primarily Sativa
Ease: 8 Indoor: 40 to 45 days
Appearance: 5 Outdoor: Not Listed
Odor Level: 10 Odor: Minty, very distinctive!
Taste Level: 10 Taste: Cough choke - what?
Grower's Tilt: 10 Sexes: Standard (M/F)
SI Rating: Not Listed Vintage: October, 2003
Been growing wreck for some time now - basically mono crop it - my patients LOVE IT - and everything else I've tried on them they are not interested in - though lately some of the PAIN people - like something lighter and more Indica (Burmiess and LifeSaver). All my AIDS and CANCER, MS et al people love the 'reck.'
As far as growing it - I'm told it is hard for some people - especially if their used to 'stab and root' strains like most Broad Leafs - that root with no problem - and just grow -
Food is a problem - as over feeding burns the thin leaves - PPM's of 1100 is about tops - unless at the end - you want to give them a good JOLT!!! .. but early on - TW is pretty easily burnt.
Mold resistant - in fact I've heard again and again - that it just doesn't mold. (Airy plant - no real place for mold or powdery mildew to stick!)
Mites can be a problem - use Botanigaurd & Pyrethrum to knock them back - always have a few ... rather have THEM then POISON people already sick!
Up above - OG asks about 'effect' 'taste' 'Appearance' and such -
TW has a U of Miss rating of 21.4% THC - it looks HORRIBLE - wispy once dry - BUT once you've had it - you'll compare it to the 'best' I've ever had. Also the DISTINCTIVE SMELL (STINK) of mint that almost goes though anything.
Garden Information for this report
Bloom Wattage Used: 5000w
Average Plant Height: 36
Plants per Sq. Foot: 2.50
Average Yield per Plant: 2.30
Pruning or Plant Style: Screen of Green SCROG
Fertilization Method: Organically fed
10 patients (caregives - sb420 - collective, cooperative cultivation )
14 plants in 32 sq. ft (image)
clone 10 to 14 days under 40 watt fluoros
veg 28
F 42
1000 watts in veg
2 1000ys HPS in flower
feed to waste - FISH E. / Botanigaurd
Clones NO FOOD - Micostop / dip'ngrow
veg - early 4x4 250PPM's
veg - late 9x9 (2.5 gal) 500 PPM's
F - 900 PPM's
planted in 'soiless' (power flower + 1/2 perlite)
Drip - h2o 4 min. 4 times day time
from rooting cubes - I shove them into 4x4's of flower power (Dan’s good dirt - as we been call it here for years) - keep them under the fluoros for a few (4) days - then TP up to the 9x9's (square) pots - and shove them under a 1000y HID - and "pep them up" with fish at 500 PPM's and some maxicrop for micros. they jump and in 2 weeks - (at about 16in) we cut back ALL the bottom branching and leaves - up to the top 4 or 5 - and tip out the top (making for like a rose or fuchsia tree) --
Smaller plants (weaker ones) we don't take as much of the "under brush" out of - so they have "BIOMASS" to use the light - but bigger ones - we take EVERYTHING out _ "Shave their legs" ..
In 6 weeks of total time from cutting clones - we put them in flower - and let them go - pushing branches back down into the canopy to keep them short --
6 weeks in flower and their done (works out nice that way};-) low to no "N" high P/K and micros - but if they seems to need a bit of greening up - we been known to hand water some fishy into them!
TW is basically a Thai low land sativa that got into the mix up here back in the early 80’s. Out doors it’s a huge “weeper creeper” that takes up TONS of space and takes 9 months to come in. It’s original parents were brought back from Thailand by some vagabond-os wanting to reproduce Thai-stick phenotype. For how the plant looks when grown FROM SEED – or just left to grow – see Clark’s MB pg. 177 “Creeper phenotype” The main problem with the ‘elusive’ TW seeds – is they really aren’t that elusive – its just that the strain (originally – real deal) uses the pair of genes that are “length of time from germination” sensitive. These run the veg time out for almost a full 9 months. Once these genes are ‘satisfied’ then TW blooms really fast (42 days done). In fact if left longer – it tends to just “blow out” and never makes tight again.
This is unlike most strains (especially broad leaves) that will blow in and out of veg / flower. Elongating only to later (few days) fill back in to then repeat the elongation and filling in process of the “buds.” TW doesn’t do this – once it “blows out” it just stays BLOWN – with little “budlets” on the tip of each ‘bracket’ just growing little stems between the parts of the bud – making for a pruning night mare!
Earlier I mention that the length of time it takes to flower makes the seeds a hassle to re-produce. Its not really for if you have de’ Reck – then all you got to do is bust some beans and go for it – but people try and try to ‘back breed’ or x-breed da’ wreck – and they fail to produce anything that has the QUALITY of TW – reason being that IF they did find the ‘real TW’ in their ‘back breeding’ or what ever – it would include this 9 month to flower time – and they’d think that the plant was NEVER going to flower and cut it down before the supposed NON-flowering plant took over their garden.
So yea – you can do TW from seed – it just takes so damn long to come in – everyone uses clones – HECK even in the FIELD – people who do TW do it from clones – because THEN = ONCE THAT GENE PAIR is satisfied – THEN it comes in – in 42 days – as so as you drop the light time to 12 hrs – or soon as the day length starts to drop …
[note: if clones more then 14 days old sans roots - toss them - the weakness of this strain - is such that if they pick up any infections it will rip though clones - whipping them all out - your better to just cut another batch - they will 'beat out' anything that you try to keep alive]
Report added by: Berserker Last edited by: Burramys Parvus on February 19, 2004, 5:26 am
Just a note, the 9 month thing is a myth, designed to persude people not to dilute TW...There is no 9 month limitation.
And real seeds do exist.
CBF knows alot about the T.W. I see him around the boards.
Originally Posted by leroy
I would imagine all this drama and mis-info swirling around the Trainwreck strain & origins have made grown men cry and Beserker laugh his ass-off.
I can say the TreeWreck pheno looks alot like this drawing and also had a few male flowers along the lower stems and lightly seeded itself. Kinda like how it happened in the first place. Below is a thread from C-W forum.
woodhorse/meduser's TW offerin is from Hillbilly Dreams, otherwise known as Tucks Wreck. which TW plant Tuck used im unaware of, but his offerin is a cross with TW worked back to the TW. have heard that he used a "creeper Pheno" meanin it grows like a vine, fallin all over. i believe meduser has continued to select towards the TW cut. he also has a TW jumbo line as well.
some of ya might remember DrJay, he was a TW affectionado, and had Tucks wreck, which he had planned on doin some work with. he talked alot about TW, and was pretty close to beserker. one point he had made was that TW from seed was a nine month plant. somethin about a gene from germination.
"
There are three genes that control flowering. Two of them relate to
changes in photoperiod and these two control most strains. The third
gene relates to time from germination and that gene predominates in
Train Wreck as well as some other tropical strains.
Yours,
Dr. Jay"
in otherwords, the TW will not flower till that gene is satisfied. hence the clones. id imagine its the Thai in the plant.
Richard Williams has also worked with Tucks Wreck, and used what he described as the creeper phenotype in his DeepWreck(TW X DeepChunk) currently veggin here.
heres a few shots of the arcata cut i keep, and the other pic is a drawin from beserker of the original TW plant. which looks a aweful lot like the arcata cut.
ive grown the arcata cut with no support, and it fell over the edges of the pot, i kept liftin the pot durin flower as the branchin got closer to the floor. the whole plant hung over the pot, like a house plant, like a spider plant.
CBF
A couple of notes that aren't speculation... "Dr. Jay" didn't have Tuck's "trainwreck". He had Berserkers E-32 and an "Alaskan Wreck".
The nine month gene crap was invented to keep people from breeding , selfing (S-1's) the plant.
Berserker had found that crossing real wreck with other strains changed TW's unique cannabinoid profile changing the properties of the plant that made it such good medicine....so hence the "smokescreen" to protect the strain till Berserker could find a trustworthy site to distribute real TW seeds.....TY was going to be that site.
But with Marco's run in with the law...Berserker said he would provide them when the legal problems Marco has were resolved.
Below is a drawing from Clark's Bible and the pic is when I grew the Arcata cut along side Tuck's cut/woodhorse/meduser/Vanwreck seeds. Tuck's cut has more Afghani in it, alot more red hairs and the stems do not need support.
and i hear ya on the air freshner thang! 
i recommend this weed to everyone, sativa and indica lovers alike! 
can't help but notice, kokua, that you obviously prefer super heavy stone indicas (which both sensi star and black domina are), and TW is known for its trippy sativa up high. Maybe that's the real preference here, you just don't like sativas? Anyway, to say TW isn't elite is some BS. For those that like its special high and taste, there are few that compare. And, btw, the "cali boys" have access to genetics (read: elite clones) that most can only dream of; no one in cali is sweating your seed selections (read: available via mail to all, not elite).
) , just saying we have the best of the clone-onlys, easily attainable, with no mail risk, and all of the glory of well known CLONES (ie not STRAINS) like Arcata TW or Pre-98 Bubba Kush, which as long as you can grow and don't f it up will result in some world-class smoke. I love seeds--i just don't use them because i don't need to. But the fact the something as insidious and anti-establishment (or maybe anti-govt) as herb can be shipped in the form of tiny seeds is, of course, genius (God's own genius), and if I couldn't get clones i would be ordering seeds and selecting moms like you are. But i am glad i don't have to.
