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Show your autoflower pix
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Ch@ppers
I didn't see your post there, you must have snuck it in while my attention was elsewhere.
I agree, Auto AK47 x Auto Hindu Kush F1 is kickass! For some reason people have started to overlook F1 hybrids in favour of inbred strains...that's quite frankly retarded!
Sure if you're breeding, an IBL is what you want to work with but for years and years, grow books would tell you that you want to grow F1 hybrids and the reason is very simple...
F1 hybrids grow faster, stronger, are often more disease resistant and are more uniform than IBLs because of something called "Hybrid Vigour"
If you overlook an F1 hybrid because you think it's unstable, you're not an informed grower!
That's a beauty by the way, good job!
Ch@ppers
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cheesey
thanks dude ... i started some lowlife lemon skunk and some nycd last week will post some pics when it gets intresting .
i will be posting a pic of some autos all started from seed at the same time in the same pot.... I fully understand this is no way a conclusive way to prove that a micro pheno does exist but it does show that 1/3 of them are a lot smaller than the others
dkmonk
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Well I can tell you for sure masterlows have microw phenos, I have grown them inside and out and there is about a 20% chance you get a micro pheno.
Since you are experienced in autos what are your favorites, for taste, indica, sativa, potency, yield, and anti-mold? and of course your all around favorite?
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Ch@ppers
Well maybe I'm lucky enough to get hold of autoflowering genetics before they get too stale, as I say, I've grown literally thousands of autos and I've seen freaks and I've accidentally stunted many plants but I've never seen one of these 2" tall "micro phenos" in person, I've only ever seen them posted on websites.
dkmonk, if only I had a £ for every time I've been asked to sum up my favourite autos...but considering how quickly they are evolving, makes sense to update the info every now and then.
Best Tasting Auto: I REALLY like Auto Classic Skunk and Auto Juicy Fruit (LowLife Seeds) however both are as yet unreleased. Of the available strains I'd have to go with Auto Lemon Skunk. Taste-wise it has everything. It's got musty lemons, it's got sweetness, it's got skunky...it's a really tasty strain.
Best Auto Indica: Auto Hindu Kush. That's an easy answer! Auto Hindu Kush is brilliant, it's potent, tasty and the buds are rock solid and covered with resin. My only criticism would be of it's size but that's entirely down to the fact that it is an Indica. A good compromise is Auto AK47 x Auto Hindu Kush F1, it has the size and yield of the Auto AK47 with the bud structure of the Auto Hindu Kush.
Best Auto Sativa: Autoflowering Haze! But again, it's not commercially available. Of the ones that are...Auto AK47 is the best (mostly) sativa. They're tall, branchy, they are the best yielding of all the commercially available autos, they have a lovely, not too tight/not too loose bud structure and they smoke strong with spicy notes. Dieselryder is marketed as an auto sativa but I'm yet to see anything to convince me of that.
Most Potent Auto: I've always found that potency is objective. A strain that one person may find too strong, another will find too mild. Because of this, I don't hold potency too highly in importance and cannot accurately answer. One thing is for certain, the original Lowryder has dreadful potency. Everything since then has been a monumental improvement.
Biggest Yielding Auto: Ignoring the unavailable "Giant Autos" that I've been playing with which regularily yield upwards of 3oz per plant, again it has to be Auto AK47. Even inexperienced growers can expect up to 1oz per plant with experienced growers pushing 6oz or more. This is due to the way that the Auto AK47 continues to stretch after it shows sex and delays true bud formation a lot longer than other autos. (it's also the reason that I favour Auto AK47 in my breeding projects)
Best Mold Resistance: I don't believe there is any such thing. I've seen growers talk of "mold resistance" when the weather is bad yet the plant is still in a veg state, I don't think the concept has been completely grasped by the growing population yet. A vegging plant will not mold because mold starts in the buds. At the end of the day, if the weather is bad and your plants are in full bud, mold is never too far away!
Indicas, although generally earlier maturing than sativas, have tight, dense buds which trap moisture and restrict airflow. Indicas mold!
Sativas, although having far less tight and dense buds which allows much better airflow, generally mature a LOT later than Indicas. Usually when the weather is so poor that any cannabis strain will fall to mold.
That's one of the reasons that my recent breeding projects have all been based upon sativas. Autoflowering sativas will make growing high quality marijuana easier and more feasable all over the world.
My All-Round Favourite Auto: If the question was "what's the best all round auto" I would have said again that it's objective, it's what YOU look for in a plant. But as you asked my personal opinion...
Once again, excluding all the fantastic but as yet unavailable strains in development and only including the commercially available ones, I'd have to pick...Auto AK47 again.
As yet it is unsurpassed. It is the best yielding, it has the best bud structure in that it's not too mold inducingly tight and it's not too wispy. It's potent, it's covered with resin glands and is an excellent hashmaker. It is less sensitive to having it's roots restricted (by small pots) than other strains and as such it's very hard to stunt. It's not too sensitive to nutrients (grows just fine with minimal feeding) and of all the autos commercially available, it's the only one I would consider to be even slightly mold resistant.
And she's REALLY pretty too!
Auto AK47 is the yardstick to which all other autos are measured. The genetics really are something special.
On the topic of quality genetics, I can't help but notice that in recent times, many new autoflowering seed companies have popped up and are quite obviously selling "knockoff" seeds.
If such a seedbank were to use Auto AK47 for example, to create a new autoflowering cross, then that is absolutely fine, it's admirable and it's what breeding is all about! But I've seen so many people growing these "new" strains and it's obvious to me that these new companies are simply inbreeding already established strains and re-selling them as their own.
For example, psaicho showed this pic of "Buddha Seeds - White Dwarf" back at post #85 of this very thread:
Now, as I keep on saying, I've grown literally thousands of autos now. I may not keep particularily detailed records but I am extremely observant and have a good memory for the way a plant looks and smells.
I am 100% positive that "White Dwarf" is just a direct knockoff of LowLife Seeds (older version) of White Russian. I've grown enough of them to spot one a mile away! I've seen knockoff versions of Auto AK47 too as well as the original Lowryder and Lowryder#2 and all manner of F1 crosses.
As someone that has now dedicated more than a few years to creating new autoflowering strains, I find these methods cheap and tasteless. Buddha Seeds must be laughing their asses off at their gullible customers because they are buying these seeds for more than the original LowLife/Joint Doctor seeds are being sold for!
This practice is no different from you buying a pirate DVD, Rolex watch or a pair of Levi 501's...the stupid thing is that you're paying more for a knockoff item than you would for the real deal, see how stupid that sounds?
I hope that people who read this will trust my opinion and think next time before they buy. If you intend to invest in a pack of autoflowering seeds or two (and it is an investment!) and you go anywhere other than the Joint Doctor or LowLife Seeds, you're a moron! I ONLY deal with the very best autoflowering genetics and I won't go anywhere else...I don't want to pollute my genepool.
Ch@ppers
dkmonk, if only I had a £ for every time I've been asked to sum up my favourite autos...but considering how quickly they are evolving, makes sense to update the info every now and then.
Best Tasting Auto: I REALLY like Auto Classic Skunk and Auto Juicy Fruit (LowLife Seeds) however both are as yet unreleased. Of the available strains I'd have to go with Auto Lemon Skunk. Taste-wise it has everything. It's got musty lemons, it's got sweetness, it's got skunky...it's a really tasty strain.
Best Auto Indica: Auto Hindu Kush. That's an easy answer! Auto Hindu Kush is brilliant, it's potent, tasty and the buds are rock solid and covered with resin. My only criticism would be of it's size but that's entirely down to the fact that it is an Indica. A good compromise is Auto AK47 x Auto Hindu Kush F1, it has the size and yield of the Auto AK47 with the bud structure of the Auto Hindu Kush.
Best Auto Sativa: Autoflowering Haze! But again, it's not commercially available. Of the ones that are...Auto AK47 is the best (mostly) sativa. They're tall, branchy, they are the best yielding of all the commercially available autos, they have a lovely, not too tight/not too loose bud structure and they smoke strong with spicy notes. Dieselryder is marketed as an auto sativa but I'm yet to see anything to convince me of that.
Most Potent Auto: I've always found that potency is objective. A strain that one person may find too strong, another will find too mild. Because of this, I don't hold potency too highly in importance and cannot accurately answer. One thing is for certain, the original Lowryder has dreadful potency. Everything since then has been a monumental improvement.
Biggest Yielding Auto: Ignoring the unavailable "Giant Autos" that I've been playing with which regularily yield upwards of 3oz per plant, again it has to be Auto AK47. Even inexperienced growers can expect up to 1oz per plant with experienced growers pushing 6oz or more. This is due to the way that the Auto AK47 continues to stretch after it shows sex and delays true bud formation a lot longer than other autos. (it's also the reason that I favour Auto AK47 in my breeding projects)
Best Mold Resistance: I don't believe there is any such thing. I've seen growers talk of "mold resistance" when the weather is bad yet the plant is still in a veg state, I don't think the concept has been completely grasped by the growing population yet. A vegging plant will not mold because mold starts in the buds. At the end of the day, if the weather is bad and your plants are in full bud, mold is never too far away!
Indicas, although generally earlier maturing than sativas, have tight, dense buds which trap moisture and restrict airflow. Indicas mold!
Sativas, although having far less tight and dense buds which allows much better airflow, generally mature a LOT later than Indicas. Usually when the weather is so poor that any cannabis strain will fall to mold.
That's one of the reasons that my recent breeding projects have all been based upon sativas. Autoflowering sativas will make growing high quality marijuana easier and more feasable all over the world.
My All-Round Favourite Auto: If the question was "what's the best all round auto" I would have said again that it's objective, it's what YOU look for in a plant. But as you asked my personal opinion...
Once again, excluding all the fantastic but as yet unavailable strains in development and only including the commercially available ones, I'd have to pick...Auto AK47 again.
As yet it is unsurpassed. It is the best yielding, it has the best bud structure in that it's not too mold inducingly tight and it's not too wispy. It's potent, it's covered with resin glands and is an excellent hashmaker. It is less sensitive to having it's roots restricted (by small pots) than other strains and as such it's very hard to stunt. It's not too sensitive to nutrients (grows just fine with minimal feeding) and of all the autos commercially available, it's the only one I would consider to be even slightly mold resistant.
And she's REALLY pretty too!
Auto AK47 is the yardstick to which all other autos are measured. The genetics really are something special.
On the topic of quality genetics, I can't help but notice that in recent times, many new autoflowering seed companies have popped up and are quite obviously selling "knockoff" seeds.
If such a seedbank were to use Auto AK47 for example, to create a new autoflowering cross, then that is absolutely fine, it's admirable and it's what breeding is all about! But I've seen so many people growing these "new" strains and it's obvious to me that these new companies are simply inbreeding already established strains and re-selling them as their own.
For example, psaicho showed this pic of "Buddha Seeds - White Dwarf" back at post #85 of this very thread:
Now, as I keep on saying, I've grown literally thousands of autos now. I may not keep particularily detailed records but I am extremely observant and have a good memory for the way a plant looks and smells.
I am 100% positive that "White Dwarf" is just a direct knockoff of LowLife Seeds (older version) of White Russian. I've grown enough of them to spot one a mile away! I've seen knockoff versions of Auto AK47 too as well as the original Lowryder and Lowryder#2 and all manner of F1 crosses.
As someone that has now dedicated more than a few years to creating new autoflowering strains, I find these methods cheap and tasteless. Buddha Seeds must be laughing their asses off at their gullible customers because they are buying these seeds for more than the original LowLife/Joint Doctor seeds are being sold for!
This practice is no different from you buying a pirate DVD, Rolex watch or a pair of Levi 501's...the stupid thing is that you're paying more for a knockoff item than you would for the real deal, see how stupid that sounds?
I hope that people who read this will trust my opinion and think next time before they buy. If you intend to invest in a pack of autoflowering seeds or two (and it is an investment!) and you go anywhere other than the Joint Doctor or LowLife Seeds, you're a moron! I ONLY deal with the very best autoflowering genetics and I won't go anywhere else...I don't want to pollute my genepool.
Ch@ppers
Ch@ppers thanks for sharing your experiences on Autoflowering
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Ch@ppers
I've grown some good stuff from Mdanzig! There was a particular pheno in his version of Auto AK47 that I really liked, it never reared it's head again in subsequent grows so I stopped growing it.
Bluestreak too, I tested an early generation and loved it! Had an awesome fruity smell yet by the time he'd finished it, that smell had been replaced by a much more skunky odour and lots of extra resin! I missed the original smell but the resin helps you forget!
Ch@ppers
Bluestreak too, I tested an early generation and loved it! Had an awesome fruity smell yet by the time he'd finished it, that smell had been replaced by a much more skunky odour and lots of extra resin! I missed the original smell but the resin helps you forget!
Ch@ppers
Interesting read on the few posts above about Lowlife Auto AK47. I bought some AK seeds after getting a batch of femed lowryders.. that weren't femed, or autoflowering 
Anyway heres my Lowlife auto AK47 @20 days since first hairs and 37 days from seed.
Hardly a bud monster at the moment, but we got a long way to go yet
Im gonna try hold out for the full 10 weeks, but shes my only source of weed and temptation is the one thing i cant resist 
Anyway heres my Lowlife auto AK47 @20 days since first hairs and 37 days from seed.
Hardly a bud monster at the moment, but we got a long way to go yet
Im gonna try hold out for the full 10 weeks, but shes my only source of weed and temptation is the one thing i cant resist
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Ch@ppers
You'd better resist or you're gonna have to explain to everyone here just why you chopped her down prematurely!
Do you mean to say that you bought some femmed Lowryders and they didn't auto and weren't femmed? If so, that's fu*king shocking! You should name & shame the company you got them from!
Ch@ppers
Do you mean to say that you bought some femmed Lowryders and they didn't auto and weren't femmed? If so, that's fu*king shocking! You should name & shame the company you got them from!
Ch@ppers
Yea I was after 10 reg lowryder#2 but they wernt in stock so I was offered 5 femmed lowryder#2's instead for the same price. I've poped all 5, the first grew huge, nearly 27 inches.. being new to growing and not realy thinking that I might have got dodgy seeds I asumed it was down to growing conditions or me doing something wrong, so i just kept waiting to see hairs. Eventualy I flipped it to 12/12 and a few days later... BALLS...another few days later.. bigger balls.. another few days later.. no im not dreaming BALLS.
I just pulled the rest as i dont have room and theres no signs of hairs after 6 weeks. I've got very limited space so im focusing on the AK's..at least I know they are AK's
Oh yea.. they were from www.seedsman.com
Hey Ch@ppers...any info on some Auto Haze coming to the commercial market at some point? that would be epic.
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Ch@ppers
When I'm happy that it's as good as it can be, only then will it be released into the wild!
Expect some knockoff artists to be selling "their version" shortly after!
Ch@ppers
Expect some knockoff artists to be selling "their version" shortly after!
Ch@ppers
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Ch@ppers
Yea I was after 10 reg lowryder#2 but they wernt in stock so I was offered 5 femmed lowryder#2's instead for the same price. I've poped all 5, the first grew huge, nearly 27 inches.. being new to growing and not realy thinking that I might have got dodgy seeds I asumed it was down to growing conditions or me doing something wrong, so i just kept waiting to see hairs. Eventualy I flipped it to 12/12 and a few days later... BALLS...another few days later.. bigger balls.. another few days later.. no im not dreaming BALLS.
I just pulled the rest as i dont have room and theres no signs of hairs after 6 weeks. I've got very limited space so im focusing on the AK's..at least I know they are AK's
Oh yea.. they were from www.seedsman.com
No no, I don't mean the company that re-sells them...I mean the company that made them (Joint Doctor/LowLife/(insert name of knockoff bean company here)
Ch@ppers
hey chappers here are the pics as promised not the best pics as i only had the camera phone at the time and was slightly intoxicated at the time
and had a security scare so they were taken on the run..but it does show the micro pheno
i also have my next generation of autos to be making seeds from
they consist of:
LR#2
Diesel ryder
auto AK47 x Diesel ryder
i don really care what pollinates what... i just need a shit load for further work to be done...
ohhh and mozzy they big lady in the pot with the micro phenos is the auto AK47 x Diesel ryder that was hit with dc pollen
and had a security scare so they were taken on the run..but it does show the micro phenoi also have my next generation of autos to be making seeds from
they consist of:
LR#2
Diesel ryder
auto AK47 x Diesel ryder
i don really care what pollinates what... i just need a shit load for further work to be done...
ohhh and mozzy they big lady in the pot with the micro phenos is the auto AK47 x Diesel ryder that was hit with dc pollen
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My bad, it was Joint Doctor. It was in joint doctor packaging at least.
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Ch@ppers
Well that's unfortunate! All Joint Doctor seeds I've ever bought came in corrugated plastic packaging and my friend bought some from a seedbank I'd never heard of and it came badged as Joint Doctor seeds but was in a plastic bag with poor quality stick-on logo.
I still to this day don't know if they were originals or fakes.
Ch@ppers
I still to this day don't know if they were originals or fakes.
Ch@ppers
Here are a few real early's
more at my outdoor thread
http://www.icmag.com/ic/showthread.php?t=127194
Da'Shadow
more at my outdoor thread
http://www.icmag.com/ic/showthread.php?t=127194
Da'Shadow
