closed4fishing
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Hey bud. I tried to PM you but not sure if it went through. Can you please PM me if you don't get it? Looking for possible IPM consultation for recently licensed i502 Tier 2 facility.
Hey bud. I tried to PM you but not sure if it went through. Can you please PM me if you don't get it? Looking for possible IPM consultation for recently licensed i502 Tier 2 facility.
Okay guys,
Sorry ive been so snipity. I honestly didnt come here to have a pissing contest, but thats what i turned it into. I will admitt, it is frustrating when looking for help to have so many people rag on me, with knowing little to nothing about my situation outside of my pest issues. I do conceede i flew off the handle over stupid things, but I am under an immense amount of stress to make this sinking ship float across a wide ocean. Im doing the best I can.
So im dumb, or my owner is dumb, or maybe not. That all aside, thanks for all the input. I have further researched into nearly every option mentioned here.
It is looking like we do NOT have RA, but we do have population of red mites and fungas gnats. We will be taking the following actions to rectify:
1st and 2nd watering:
-beauveria bassiana drench
we will also use pyrethrin bombs after these waterings
from there we will asses our situation. We have deceided to take all neem related products out of the rotation for the next little while due to our overuse in the past.
Again, thank you to all who helped, and apologies to everyone I flamed.
There's no way orthene is allowable under i502. Just being on the picol database doesnt mean its acceptable to use. According to the wsda statement only pesticides which have an epa tolerance exemption are allowed with the exception of rooting hormones and some pyrethroids. Spinosad, ome of my staples for thrips which is omri approved doesnt even meet the criteria. Even tissue culture is questionable since the media requires hormones that don't meet the criteria and hormones are classed as pesticides with Wsda. Things like avid and and imid are absolutely against the rules, and with good reason. Movento maybe should be allowable since its approved for hops and grapes but not something I would use personally and is against the rules.
I'm running 20k sq ft of greenhouse in agriculture heavy south central WA where in the environment we have root aphids (and other aphids) carried and herded by ant populations, spider mites, and western flower thrips. I started clean from seed in a brand new op and having come from california didn't realize the immense pest pressure in this area. That said, I have everything under control with .aintenance and preventative sprays and inoculations but I never imagined seeing all this from a clean start grow in the first 6 months. Anyone running a commercial op here needs to be on their toes with proactive ipm practices.
As a production manager for this operation, you have to take responsibility for the product and be willing to tell the owners if a shut down is appropriate. I would finish the crop using the best organic methods to keep them at bay, and burn everything. Any 502 opertation is foolish to not have entered lots of seeds in their first 15 days of no questions asked inventory acquisition or keep a no bullshit mother room isolated from whatever pest problems may arise in the rest of the op. Its easy to blame your predecessor. Effective ipm strategies are hard however and there's no excuse for lying to regulators and putting poison on the shelves, the same with all of you advocating for imidacloprid and avid on flowering plants. Im guessing most of you sell it as medicine. There's absolutely no reason for it and root aphids are absolutely preventable on an indoor op. I work for an op that is in the process of acquiring a 502 permit, and we're seriously considering staying medical after witnessing the absurdity of the 502 market.
Holy shit raising the dead. But I love me some pesticide talk so I'm goin with it.
No, WA didn't have mandatory pesticide testing back then. It still doesn't. Washington is bass ackwards on their regulations. But I'd suggest you look at which pesticides OR is regulating. I promise you I could find something really dangerous that wasn't on their list. I'm not sure but I don't think DDT is required testing in OR, for instance.
And Slipknot, pesticides are a reality of large scale cultivation. You know what kind of discount is involved in getting dirt wholesale? Or what kind of work is involved in innoculating three pallets of soil per room? Knowing how to apply pesticides properly is a job requirement for anyone running ten lights or more. Period. It's one of the first steps into the big leagues and you either learn it or you use the most toxic shit you can find in a state of panic that twenty grand or more is about to go up in webs.
If you want to figure out how to do it, check out UC Davis's Integrated Pest Management strategies for your targeted pests. It's the standard for all of CA's commercial ag and most of what they say to do is permitted on cannabis. I would recommend starting at level 3 treatment regardless of the pest for cannabis due to the value of the crop, just make sure it's permitted first. Most of their recommendations are super low toxicity since the whole point of the state making that kind of program available is to get farmers to use less toxic shit for the same price and with the same results in order to protect from runoff. Great resource meant to protect CA's water supply.