Red Heifer returns to Israel

[igrowone]

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5) What are the oldest extant documents regarding Jesus Christ? How do they compare to "The Bible"?

i likes me historical mysteries, suspect you know some of the answers
now if you're a reader of the history of Jesus, you find it's easy to be an expert
there isn't much, except for the gospels which are a category unto themselves
but other paper on Jesus is as scarce as hen's teeth
there is one though
mentions Jesus and Mary went to Egypt where he grew up, and it was there he learned the arts of magic
also stated his father was a Roman soldier

 

[Douglas.Curtis]

5) What are the oldest extant documents regarding Jesus Christ? How do they compare to "The Bible"?

Though I have no names (I don't keep records), there are a number of documents from the era which were not included in "the bible." There are also a few tiny references to Jesus and the disciples in non-religious texts (day to day recordings), nothing concrete.


One of the major downsides to the bible is the New Testament, written some 7 decades later. Heavily politically influenced editing, to create a calander years worth of monthly teachings. The masses were unable to read, and the stories were created to 'teach' them in an easy to understand way.

Seems to have worked, since it's put a spell on a lot of people for thousands of years. Massive resource funnel to a few small groups at the top. Always follow the money. When you get nauseous and feel like you're going to be sick, you should be really close to the truth.

 

[Water-]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qDt7wc5nn7E

Dr Richard Carrier is one of the top scholars on the historicity of the Bible.

the link is worth a listen if you are interested

 

[Mikell]

So....

Back to "how much crack do I need to smoke to think like you".

A gram a day keeps the voices away?

 

[mean mr.mustard]

I always thought crack came in a price.

Then I watched It's Always Sunny in Philadelphia.

It turns out that crack is sold by number of quantity.

I'm not sure how many cracks a gram would be but I doubt anything could work as well as Fox News for brainwashing purposes.

 

[OldSchoolGrow]

If it isn't true you can easily show me an example to the contrary. Where in the Bible is the resurrection of Christ prophecied *before* it happened in clear and unambiguous terms that can't be interpreted in 1000s of different ways?

I already posted 13 biblical facts, showed when they were predicted, then when they came to fruition. Take the time to read the links I post, and you will have your answer. Not only that, billions of people know this story, pick up the bible and find out what all the fuss is about.

 

[OldSchoolGrow]

Crap, still can't edit for some reason.......

Here ya go Beta, I will take the time you didn't and post the facts on the prophecy of Jesus Christ.

The Greatest Old Testament Prophecy of All
There are literally hundreds of other fulfilled prophecies that we could describe here, but clearly one stand head and shoulders above the rest, and we really need to take a minute to describe it. While the Jews were certainly comforted by prophecies that predicted that their enemies would eventually be destroyed, there was a far more comforting prophecy that had bee described in the Old Testament. It was a prophecy that predicted the coming of a Messiah, a savior who would deliver the Jews. While there we dozens of messianic prophecies in the Old Testament scriptures, one of these was incredibly specific in its claims. As we examine this prophecy, we can confirm the supernatural and divine inspiration of the Bible.

The Coming of the Messiah
In 538 B.C. Daniel wrote the following bold prediction:

>Daniel 9:25 - "So you are to know and discern that from the issuing of a decree to restore and rebuild Jerusalem until Messiah the Prince there will be seven weeks of years and sixty-two weeks of years"

In this prophecy, Daniel is claiming that there will be 69 weeks of years between the issuing of a decree to rebuild Jerusalem and the appearance of the Messiah. Now keep in mind that this bold prediction came 538 years before Christ was born.

Now let's investigate a little history, OK? In 464 BC, Artaxerxes, a Persian king, ascended to the throne. His twentieth year as king would be 464 BC. Nehemiah, the Jewish cupbearer to King Artaxerxes, was deeply concerned with the reports about the ruined condition of Jerusalem which came about as the result of their being defeated (Nehemiah 1:1-4) and as a result, he petitioned the king:

>Nehemiah 2:5,6 - "Send me to Judah, to the city of my fathers' tombs, that I may rebuild it. So it pleased the king to send me".

Scripture then provides us with the exact date of this decree to restore and to rebuild Jerusalem. According to the scriptures the decree is issued "in the month Nisan, in the twentieth year of Artaxerxes the king" (Nehemiah 2:1). The Jewish calendar month was Nisan, and since no day is given, it is reasonable to assume that the date would be understood as the first, the Jewish New Year's Day. And, in the Julian calendar we presently use, the corresponding date would be March 5, 444 B.C. This was the day on which the decree was issued to restore and rebuild Jerusalem.

Now let's remember this date, March 5, 444BC and take a look at the appearance of the Messiah. You may recall that the Gospels tell us that Jesus, on numerous occasions, had forbidden his followers to make him known as "the Messiah". He would frequently do miracles and tell the disciples not to tell anyone who had done the miracles because his "hour has not yet come" (John 2:4, 7:6). However, on March 30, 33 A.D., when he entered Jerusalem on a donkey, he rebuked the Pharisees' protest and encouraged the whole multitude of his disciples as they shouted, "Blessed is the King who comes in the name of the Lord". And Jesus said, "If these become silent, the stones will cry out" (Luke 19:38-40). This was the day on which Jesus was publicly declared the Messiah.

Now let's compare the date of the decree (March 5, 444 BC) with the date of Jesus' declaration (March 30, 33 AD). Now before we begin, we need to clarify the fact that the Jewish prophetic year was composed of twelve 30 day months. In other words, the ancient evidence indicates that the Jewish prophetic year had 360 days, not 365 days. Since Daniel states 69 weeks of seven years each, and each year has 360 days, the equation is as follows: 69 x 7 x 360 = 173,880 days. In nothing more than a simple mathematical demonstration, the number of days in the period from March 5, 444 B.C. (the twentieth year of Artaxerxes) to March 30, 33 A.D. (the day Jesus entered Jerusalem on the donkey) can be determined at this point.

The time span from 444 B.C. to 33 A.D. is 476 years (remember that 1 B.C. to 1 A.D. is only one year). And if we multiply 476 years x 365.2421879 days per year (corrected for leap years), we get the result of 173,855 days. Now let's add back the difference between March 5 and March 30 (25 days). What is our total? You guessed it, 173,880 days, exactly as Daniel predicted it.

 

[OldSchoolGrow]

No. What is true is that a bunch of people in a lab used gene editing to produce a cow for Israel in order to convince people that a prophesy was being fulfilled so that they will look the other way as Israel engages in more genocide in the name of their particular version of magical sky daddy.

Let me cut you off right there....... This was predicted 2000 years ago and you make it seem like gene editing an extinct cow isn't a big thing..... Predicted by people that had no idea what gene splicing is........

Then you get all conspiracy theory and off topic.

 

[OldSchoolGrow]

So....

Back to "how much crack do I need to smoke to think like you".

A gram a day keeps the voices away?

Why do you have to be so vile? Who are you talking to with this? I feel like you are directing this at me, but why? I thought it was interesting that a red heifer was born, and given it's context to religious text, it was even more interesting.

I have no idea why that makes it ok for you to say I am smoking crack? I find that offensive. If you don't want to talk about the topic at hand, then please find another thread. No idea why people like you insist on insulting others, does it make you feel better?

Jeez......

 

[Badfishy1]

Yep, genetic modification is legit... looks like Israel being Israel

 

[CosmicGiggle]

thank you OSG for NOT knocking on MY door, just leave the pamphlets and go!

 

[OldSchoolGrow]

Yep, genetic modification is legit... looks like Israel being Israel

Thank God huh?


Herbert Boyer (pictured) and Stanley Cohen created the first genetically modified organism in 1972
Genetic modification caused by human activity has been occurring since around 12,000 BC, when humans first began to domesticate organisms. Genetic engineering as the direct transfer of DNA from one organism to another was first accomplished by Herbert Boyer and Stanley Cohen in 1972. It was the result of a series of advancements in techniques that allowed the direct modification of the genome. Important advances included the discovery of restriction enzymes and DNA ligases, the ability to design plasmids and technologies like polymerase chain reaction and sequencing. Transformation of the DNA into a host organism was accomplished with the invention of biolistics, Agrobacterium-mediated recombination and microinjection.

The first genetically modified animal was a mouse created in 1974 by Rudolf Jaenisch. In 1976 the technology was commercialised, with the advent of genetically modified bacteria that produced somatostatin, followed by insulin in 1978. In 1983 an antibiotic resistant gene was inserted into tobacco, leading to the first genetically engineered plant. Advances followed that allowed scientists to manipulate and add genes to a variety of different organisms and induce a range of different effects. Plants were first commercialized with virus resistant tobacco released in China in 1992. The first genetically modified food was the Flavr Savr tomato marketed in 1994. By 2010, 29 countries had planted commercialized biotech crops. In 2000 a paper published in Science introduced golden rice, the first food developed with increased nutrient value.

I love having things like insulin.

 

[CosmicGiggle]

feel free to hit the Mod alert, I know I will!

 

[OldSchoolGrow]

What is a mod alert?

 

[OldSchoolGrow]

This is the correct attitude IMO.

 

[Emperortaima]

South Park already did it.
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God damn you lol I was going to mention the south park satirical meme good one for real before getting into the facts I honestly thought this thread was a joke based off of the show south park fuck now I'm going to watch the episode while drinking a rockstar and smoking a bowl of some raspberry white

 

[OldSchoolGrow]

Raspberry white........ that sounds delish.

"only one man would dare give me the raspberry....... Lonestar!"

 

[troutman]

Bubbles knows how to handle a couple of Bible pimps.

 

[gaiusmarius]

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This is the correct attitude IMO.

dude this means the end of the world, why would you want to hasten end time prophecy into being? what kind of moron tries to bring the apocalypse forward so he can have a stupid temple for a few months/years before it all ends anyway, lmao.

 

[OldSchoolGrow]

dude this means the end of the world, why would you want to hasten end time prophecy into being? what kind of moron tries to bring the apocalypse forward so he can have a stupid temple for a few months/years before it all ends anyway, lmao.

No, that isn't at all what is prophesied. Read revelations.

Long story short, there will be 7 years of tribulation, followed by a great war. Once god defeats the governments of the world, there will be a 1000 years of peace.

Or something like that.

Replace God with Aliens if you like, but that sounds pretty good to me. A giant war to rid the world of leaders like Donald Trump, to then have a 1000 years of peace. We all know it needs to happen. I don't wish for anybody to die, however I would love a 1000 years of peace with no governments.