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so it seems like alot of people dont actually no anything about the american pitbull terrier id like to post some info to help with thier "gangsta" image

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Difference between APBTs and AmStaffs
I adopted a dog at the shelter and was told that he is a Staffordshire Terrier. Is a Staffordshire Terrier the same as a Pit Bull?
First, it is important to know that Staffordshire Terrier and “pit bull” are not official breeds. They are common terms used to describe a certain type of dog. There are actually three breeds that can be easily confused. The correct designations are:

    • American Pit Bull Terrier (APBT) - recognized by the ADBA and UKC
    • American Staffordshire Terrier (AST) - recognized by the AKC
    • Staffordshire Bull Terrier (SBT) - recognized by the AKC and UKC
They are essentially the same dogs but have been bred for different purposes and/or size standards since the mid 1930's. Some are even dual registered (i.e., registered with both the UKC as an APBT and with the AKC as an AST). Pete the Pup from The Little Rascals was among the first APBTs to be registered with the AKC as an AST.
How can we tell the difference? We can't, really. We can only try to guess the breed based on subtle characteristics. Note that even experts can't always tell if a Pit Bull is an APBT, an AST or a SBT. For the average pit bull owner, however, these distinctions are not really relevant. As a general rule, dogs of these breeds tend to have stable and loving temperaments.
The American Pit Bull Terrier (APBT)
Like many other common breeds, including Labrador Retrievers, Greyhounds, German Shepherds, and the Parsons (or “Jack”) Russell Terrier, the American Pit Bull Terrier is essentially a canine athlete. As the UKC points out, during the nineteenth century breeders in the British Isles began to experiment with crosses between terriers and Bulldogs in hopes of finding a dog with the “gameness” (defined below) of a terrier and the athleticism of a Bulldog (a very different dog from the English Bulldog of today). This original breed, which later resulted in the breeds we now call the APBT, the AST, and the SBT, came to America with immigrants during the late nineteenth century. Just as the Bulldog was originally bred for bull and bear baiting, dog fighting was clearly part of the APBT’s original purpose. But as the UKC also notes, the breed’s many talents did not go unnoticed, and the APBT was also used as an all-purpose farm dog and family companion.
Street-Fighting and Gamebred APBTs Today, the APBT is bred for a wide variety of purposes from looks and companionship to fighting to nothing in particular, so it is difficult to make generalizations about appearance or purpose. While some APBTs (probably a minority of the overall population) may be directly from fighting lines (“game bred”), many are genetically far removed from their fighting ancestors. Some are animal aggressive; some are not animal aggressive at all.
NOTE: Like most things in life, we must be open to a certain degree of nuance when thinking about pit bulls. As we note above, pit bulls can exhibit a level of animal aggression ranging from nonexistent to very high or somewhere in between - a statement that is true for all dog breeds. To date, there is no identified “fighting gene” that determines which dogs will be animal aggressive and which dogs will not. Even pit bulls with fighting histories have proven manageable around other dogs. Knowing how your dog will behave around other dogs is an important part of being a responsible dog owner. More importantly, there is absolutely no relationship between animal aggression and human aggression. Pit bulls might exhibit an above-average tendency toward dog aggression relative to other breeds, but human aggression has never been a normal trait in these breeds. Pit bulls were not bred to fight humans or for guarding purposes. A common fallacy is the notion that pit bulls are the only dogs that have been historically bred for “fighting.” This is demonstrably false. A large number of dog breeds have been bred to chase, fight, and kill other animals, yet nobody seems to fret about human or animal aggression in Dachshunds, Greyhounds, Whippets, Irish Wolfhounds, Coonhounds, Foxhounds, Beagles, Jack Russell Terriers, and nearly every other dog in the terrier group. Once again, human aggression and animal aggression are entirely unrelated behaviors.
Because breeding purpose varies so widely among APBTs, less consideration is paid to conformation (how closely the dog matches a set physical standard for the breed). As these pictures show, APBTs can look quite different from one another. In general, however, APBTs can weigh as little as 30 lbs. and as much as 70 lbs. News reports of “pit bulls” weighing in excess of 100 lbs. should be taken with a grain of salt. These dogs are either not pit bulls at all or are mixes of some sort.
An often-overlooked fact of the APBT’s history is that human aggressive dogs (“man biters” in fighting parlance) have been actively culled from bloodlines. In the world of fighting, it is not useful or desirable for a dog to attack handlers or spectators. Not all APBT breeders breed for the pit, though. Some breed for conformation, temperament, weight-pulling, obedience trials, or therapy work. At the foundation of their bloodlines, however, are the same physical and mental characteristics—lean and athletic body, agility, courage, and stability.
Cropped ears are not an indicator of a dog's background. Some dogs bred for the pit have cropped ears; some don’t. Both ABPT and AST show dogs often have cropped ears, but many others have natural ears.
Show and Conformation Bred APBTs Nowadays people without breeding knowledge are breeding pit bulls for nothing in particular, unusual color (typically red, blue, or merle), general companionship, or to make a quick buck. The animal-welfare community refers to these people as “backyard breeders,” and they are a major contributor to America’s pet overpopulation problem. In general, their dogs are a little larger than the original APBT. These are the dogs that most commonly wind up in shelters or rescues. Most of them have stable dispositions and make excellent companions.
Backyard Bred APBTs The American Staffordshire Terrier (AST or Amstaff)
The AST or “Amstaff” used to be the same dog as the APBT but was completely taken out of the pit in the mid 1930s. In 1936, the AKC opened its studbooks to a few APBTs that fit their standards and came up with the name “Staffordshire Terrier.” In 1972, the name was changed to American Staffordshire Terrier to avoid confusion with the newly recognized "Staffordshire Bull Terrier" from England. The only dogs that can properly be called American Staffordshire Terriers are those from AKC-registered bloodlines.
ASTs are primarily bred for conformation and good temperament. They have a set height standard of 18 to 19 inches for males and 17 to 18 inches for females. They usually weigh between 50 to 80 lbs., which should be in proportion to their height. They may be a little stockier than the APBT but not always. “The dog’s chief requisites,” the AKC explains, “should be strength unusual for his size, soundness, balance, a strong powerful head, a well-muscled body, and courage that is proverbial.”
Red (or “Dudley”) noses are considered a fault according to the AKC’s breed standard, and this physical trait has been bred out of most AST lines. Red-nosed dogs are common in APBT lines. This may help you differentiate between the breeds. If the dog has a red nose, it is more likely to be of APBT than of AST lineage.
American Staffordshire Terriers Because the AST and APBT have the same ancestors (some are even dual-registered), they have a similar look and similar personalities. Dog-aggression is a potential behavior in both breeds, though it’s not as strong or common in the AST. The AKC’s Complete Dog Book sums it up best:
In mentioning the gameness of the Staffordshire, it is not the intention to tag him as a fighting machine or to praise this characteristic. These points are discussed because they are necessary in giving the correct origin and history of the breed. The good qualities of this dog are many, and it would be difficult for anyone to overstress them. […] As to character, they are game for anything; nevertheless, they should not be held in ill repute merely because some have been taking advantage of this rare courage to use them in the pit as gambling tools. These dogs are docile, and with a little training are even tractable around other dogs. (345)
The same goes for all dogs that come under the banner of the “pit bull.”
Staffordshire Bull Terrier (SBT, Staffie or Stafford)
Staffies remain very popular in England, but they are less common in the United States. They share common ancestors with the APBT and AST. Staffordshire Bull Terriers should be 14-16" at the shoulder height and at 24 to 34 lbs., they are noticeably smaller, though, and their ears are rarely cropped. They are essentially bred for good disposition and conformation. The AKC points to the Staffie Bull’s “affection for its friends” as well as “off-duty quietness” and “trustworthy stability,” all of which make it “a foremost all-purpose dog.” They are often referred to as "nanny dogs" because they are excellent with children.
Staffordshire Bull Terriers
Gameness and Disposition
What is gameness? Are dogs that demonstrate gameness temperamentally unsound?
NOTE: Like the AKC, we do not discuss gameness and fighting here either to praise or malign pit bulls. Fighting and gameness are important elements of the breed’s history and, ultimately, a key to understanding our dogs. There is nothing admirable, heroic, or particularly interesting about the fighting aspect of pit bulls’ history. Most importantly, gameness is not aggressiveness. It has nothing to do with aggression (animal or human) and should not enter into discussions about overall temperament.
Very simply put, gameness is the will never to quit a task despite injury, illness, and exhaustion. It is the unflagging courage referred to in UKC and AKC descriptions of these breeds. For pit bulls, gameness has traditionally been directed toward fighting other dogs (but never humans), though it is useful for other activities requiring high drive such as therapy work, weight-pulling, drug sniffing, flyball, Frisbee chasing, tracking, or obedience trials. Gameness does not equal aggressiveness. A dog can be game without being aggressive and vice versa. Unstable, highly aggressive dogs are, in fact, not at all likely to be game. As Diane Jessup explains in The Working Pit Bull, “Gameness does not mean a desire to fight—it means a desire to finish or succeed at a task” (156). Not all pit bulls are game. Dogfighters obviously assess gameness by testing their dogs in the pit. Their ultimate (and very cruel) goal would be to produce a dog that would fight other dogs to the death (these rare dogs are referred to as “dead game”). But as Jessup further notes, there are other, far better ways to gauge gameness in pit bulls and other breeds:
A few examples of true gameness in a dog would be the weight-pull dog that simply never quits trying to pull a load, and must be stopped by his handler when the load becomes too heavy, the tracking dog who continues to work out a faint, hours-old trail in the 100?F heat and scores a perfect 100 in a grueling F.H. German tracking test, […] the search and rescue dog who climbs over brush and debris hour after hour searching for victims. All these are tests of gameness with value (unlike dog fighting, which has no value to society whatsoever) and acceptance in our modern world. (158)
As the previous passage suggests, gameness is by no means a specialized “pit bull trait.” Like animal aggression, it’s a dog trait. This kind of drive is, most accurately, a working dog trait. The tireless Border Collies we see in herding and tracking exhibit gameness. As such, many other breeds are frequently tested and certified for gameness using non-fighting scenarios. The working terriers informally know as “dirt dogs”—a designation that covers Dachshunds, Jack Russell Terriers, Patterdale Terriers, West Highland White Terriers, Cairn Terriers, Norwich Terriers, and many other breeds—are routinely tested on their ability to quarry and “work” small rodents. Jack Russell and Patterdale Terriers still serve the valuable function of ridding farms of groundhogs and badgers.
Because of their focus and determination, pit bulls have proven excellent candidates for search-and-rescue work and therapy work. Dogs can and do love with resoluteness and tenacity
Finally, it is important to recognize that this heritage of gameness partially contributes to the pit bull’s wonderful and resilient personality. It is why these dogs possess a constant desire to please and why they readily take up new lives as loving family pets following neglect and abuse. With this in mind, we will give the final word on gameness to Dr. D. Caroline Coile, author of the excellent Pit Bulls for Dummies:
Gameness, though hard to define, is in essence the quality of pressing on cheerfully and with gusto in the face of adversity. In everyday life, this spirit expresses itself in self-confidence, determination, and a certain joie de vivre. […] Gameness is not aggressiveness. A non-aggressive dog can be game (for example, he avoids a fight but does not back down if pressed), and an aggressive dog can be ungame (for example, if he starts a fight but turns tail if the victim fights back). Some pit bulls are aggressive with other dogs. Others are not. But as a rule, Pit Bulls were not bred to be aggressive—they were bred to win.
Pit Bulls as Guard Dogs
I am looking for a good guard dog to protect my home. Is a pit bull a good choice as a guard dog?
No. The only "guard dog" qualities of a pit bull are its formidable appearance and its name. Other than that, they are not very good at this job. Pit bulls were not created to perform the task of protecting someone's home or property. In many cases pit bulls are just too friendly with people to be good at this. They may bark and "look" scary, but as soon as the intruder smiles at them, most pit bulls think they have made a new friend! In fact, pit bulls are very much at risk of being stolen. Due to their friendly and trusting nature, they are often led right out of their owners' yard, which is one reason they should never be left outdoors unattended.
Pit bulls should not show aggression towards humans and should never be encouraged to attack strangers under any circumstances. With their looks and unfair reputation alone, pit bulls will discourage most thieves from entering your property, provided they are not after the dog itself. Like any good dog, your pit bull should alert you if there is someone around your house, and it might naturally defend you if you are threatened. But do not count on your pit bull to guard your house or property while you are away. In fact, you may want to get a good alarm system to protect your pit bull.
Remember, you are the leader! Your dog counts on you to protect her, not the other way around.

Pit Bulls and Kids
I heard that Pit Bulls were not good with children, is it true?
Most pit bulls are excellent with children. They have a high tolerance for pain and, in general will patiently endure the "abuse" young kids unintentionally dish out; however, like any dog, they must be supervised with kids at all times. PBRC strongly urges all readers to supervise their children's interactions with dogs—that means any dog, regardless of breed, size, age, history, or initial appearance.
Like other medium-to-large sized dogs, pit bulls are enthusiastic and strong. They can easily knock over an unsteady toddler with their wagging tails. They can be quite rambunctious until they mature, which is generally around 2 to 4 years of age. Pit bulls should be taught to play gently, to greet visitors appropriately, not to jump on people, and to sit and wait for a signal before going through doors. Positive training methods work best.
Adding a juvenile dog of any breed to a home with toddlers or very young children may not be ideal since dogs are very energetic at that age. You may want to consider adopting a mature dog that has demonstrated compatibility with children. It is entirely possible to have a young dog with toddlers or infants, but you must be diligent with your supervision. Pit bulls are great playmates for older, respectful kids.

People-Aggression
Our neighbors bought a pit bull and now we are scared to let the kids play outside. Are these dogs really vicious like the media portrays them? Are pit bulls human aggressive by nature?
No dog breed is human aggressive by nature. Pit bulls pass the American Temperament Testing Society’s test at a rate similar to, if not higher than, many other medium-to-large, powerful breeds. The American Pit Bull Terrier, American Staffordshire Terrier, and Staffordshire Bull Terrier pass at rates of 84.3%, 83.4%, and 88.8% respectively. Compare this to Golden Retrievers (84.2%), Great Danes (79.2%), Weimaraners (80.1%), and Standard Poodles (85.3%), to name just four common breeds. Carl Herkstroeter, the president of the ATTS, has commented on these results: "We have tested somewhere around a thousand pit-bull-type dogs […] I've tested half of them. And of the number I've tested I have disqualified one pit bull because of aggressive tendencies. They have done extremely well. They have a good temperament. They are very good with children." An independent, non-profit organization, the ATTS has been collecting data based on a series of evaluations resembling the AKC’s Canine Good Citizen test since 1977. These numbers, which anyone can access at http://www.atts.org, are our best available indicators of temperament. The point is not that pit bulls have better disposition than Poodles or Weimaraners, but that most breeds fall within an acceptable range of temperamental soundness. Pit bulls are no different from your average dog when it comes to human interaction.
By the same token, no dog breed is inherently non-human-aggressive. All dogs are capable of biting under the right circumstances. Operating under the mistaken assumption that you will never be bitten by a Labrador Retriever is a good way to get bitten by a Labrador Retriever.
It is quite easy to determine which dogs will cause serious injury, and breed has nothing to do with it. As public health studies show, dogs that attack almost always have a bite history, they are almost always intact (not spayed or neutered), they are frequently off-leash in public, and they have almost always lived their lives tethered or otherwise unsocialized (penned in the yard, kept in a basement, roaming around in a pack of dogs, or locked in a garage).
A dog should be evaluated on its own merits, not on its breed. Veterinarians will tell you that pit bulls are temperamentally stable and not inherently more dangerous than other dogs. Owner responsibility, however, is a must with any dog, and all canines should be well-socialized with adults and kids.
Since the mid-1980s, pit bulls have faced prejudice and misunderstanding from many people who do not understand them very well. The media has a well-documented tendency to over-report, misreport, and greatly exaggerate bite incidents involving pit bulls. Legislators frequently make frightening claims about pit bulls that are not grounded in evidence or fact. Ownership requires a thick skin, a willingness to understand your neighbors' fears, and a desire to educate them about the breed.

Works Cited

The American Kennel Club. The Complete Dog Book. 20th Ed. New York: Ballantine, 2006.

The American Temperament Testing Society. <http://www.atts.org>

Coile, D. Caroline. Pit Bulls for Dummies. New York: For Dummies, 2001.

Jessup, Diane. The Working Pit Bull. Neptune, NJ: TFH Publications, 1995.

The United Kennel Club. “American Pit Bull Terrier.” <http://www.ukcdogs.com/WebSite.nsf/Breeds/AmericanPitBullTerrier>




Breed Information
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Related Links Introduction
PBRC is against the cruel “sport” of dog fighting, past and present. There is NO justifiable reason to throw two dogs in a pit and watch them tear each other apart.
This page lays out basic breed information for anyone interested in acquiring a pit bull,* for those who already have one or more and would like to learn more about the breed, or for anyone who would simply like to understand these affectionate, extraordinary dogs a little better.
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This page discusses the most notable traits of pit-bull-type dogs, including their great love for people and their potential for dog aggression. You will learn that pit bulls make wonderful and loyal family companions. Like all dogs, they require intelligent, responsible, and dedicated ownership. Because of the breed’s undeserved negative media image, pit bull owners have to be even more careful and responsible than the average dog owner. They must also be aware of the myths (urban legends, really) surrounding their dogs. Owners must be well educated about bully breeds, because they will likely face comments from friends, families, and neighbors. Unfortunately, some people obtain pit bulls for the wrong reasons—to boost their own image, for dog fighting, or for backyard breeding—which makes life difficult for responsible owners. The good news is that pit bulls are now more popular than ever, and each good owner has an opportunity to reshape the breed’s image in positive ways. When you adopt a pit bull, you adopt the most energetic, intelligent, and loyal friend you’ll ever have, but you also take up a responsibility to represent the entire breed.
It’s unfortunate that one of the original purposes of the pit bull was dog fighting, but it is a fact that cannot be denied or ignored. Even more unfortunate is the fact that they are still chosen for this purpose, even though it is illegal in all fifty states and, in certain instances, as the Michael Vick case illustrates, a federal crime. Adopting a pit bull, loving it, and training it as a breed ambassador are the most important things any of us civilians can do to combat people like Vick. Accordingly, PBRC is committed to educating current and potential pit bull owners so they have a better understanding of their dog and thus provide responsible and caring ownership. PBRC does not wish to overemphasize the fighting aspect of the breed’s history, a history that does not negate their various positive traits or their scientifically proven gentleness toward humans. But we do acknowledge the importance of respecting the breed’s history. This is not to suggest that pit bulls are “different” or “unique” in a way that makes them dangerous. Those who claim that pit bulls are “different” fail to understand that all dog breeds are, in some way, different from each other. That’s what makes them dog breeds! (Besides, many breeds were historically bred to fight other animals. Pit bulls are not unique in this sense.) To put it simply, no matter what kind of dog you have, understanding its breed is the first step toward being a good dog owner. By nature, pit bulls are intelligent, fun loving, and affectionate. It’s our job to help them fulfill that potential.
*”Pit bull” is NOT a breed. It's a generic term often used to describe all dogs with similar traits and characteristics known to the public as "pit bulls." When we use the term “pit bull” here, it should be understood to encompass American Pit Bull Terriers, American Staffordshire Terriers, and Staffordshire Bull Terriers.
Remember: in most cases, we usually know little about the background of rescue dogs. Some may be gamebred APBTs (from fighting lines), some may be registered show dogs, some may be American Staffordshire Terriers, some may look like APBTs but might be mixed with other breeds, etc. Since there is no way to know for sure unless you have the pedigree of the dog, we recommend following the advice offered by PBRC for any pit-bull-type dog (most of our guidelines are, at any rate, simply basic rules of dog ownership). See PBRC's FAQ for more information.
Basic Breed Overview
Pit bulls are wonderful, loving animals that deserve the chance to have a good life.
Pit bulls have superior physical and mental characteristics that make them excellent partners for responsible, active, and caring owners. These same outstanding qualities can, however, make them a little difficult to handle for people who don't have a lot of experience with dog ownership or for those who don't understand the breed well. Luckily, pit bulls are intelligent, very responsive to training, and, above all, eager to please. Therefore, pit bulls should be enrolled in obedience classes as soon as they are up-to-date on their shots. (Pit bulls are more susceptible to parvovirus, so it is important that they receive all their vaccinations before coming into contact with other dogs or entering areas of high canine traffic.) A well-behaved pit bull is the best ambassador for the breed. As we’ve already noted, this is the easiest way to fight breed prejudice and misconception.
Pit bulls are quite resilient and can do well in an urban environment, provided they have enough exercise and other positive outlets for their energy. Many pit bulls are easygoing couch potatoes, but like all terriers, they can also be somewhat rambunctious until they mature. Maturity can come relatively late with this breed (two to three years old in some cases). Pit bulls remain playful throughout their lifespan (nine to fifteen years) and have a great sense of humor. True clowns at heart, these dogs will make you laugh like no other.
Pit bulls are energetic, agile, and strong. They are also very resourceful and driven. Determination is one of their most notable traits (see the FAQ). They put their heart and soul into whatever they set out to do: whether it is escaping an inadequately fenced yard to explore the neighborhood, destroying your new couch when left home alone, or climbing into your lap to shower you with kisses!
As Stahlkuppe (1995) writes, "The American Pit Bull Terrier (APBT), or the AmStaff, is certainly not the right pet for everyone. Being a powerful dog, it will require sufficient and adequate control. Some prospective elderly owners or children will not be able to supply that control...
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An insecure person who wants only an aggressive dog to bolster some personal human inadequacy should never become an owner of one of these dogs. An uncaring or negligent person should not buy an AmStaff or an APBT (or any other dog for that matter)."
An All-American Dog: Breed History
Humans have created dog breeds by emphasizing desirable traits and eliminating unwanted ones. It is no different with pit-bull-type dogs. In the same way that Labradors were bred to retrieve birds, pit bulls were originally bred for dog fighting and bull and bear baiting. This does not, however, mean that fighting is the sole purpose of these breeds or
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that this component of the breeds’ history somehow makes them abnormal. For example, Greyhounds and Whippets were (and still are) bred for “coursing,” chasing and killing small prey like rabbits and squirrels. Like pit bulls, these dogs still make excellent family pets. While pit bulls do carry the potential for dog aggression, the vast majority of pit bulls are very far from “fighting lines,” and many are not dog aggressive at all. It’s not accurate to say that pit bulls are “fighting dogs,” because such a designation fails to describe such a diverse animal population, most of which are very far from “fighting stock” and will never be involved in fighting of any kind. From their inception, these dogs have been bred for general human companionship, and since the 1900s, they have been bred for conformation showing as well. From the very beginning, pit bulls have been used as farm dogs, family dogs, military mascots, and all-purpose companions. In England, the Staffie Bull is affectionately known as “The Nanny Dog” or “The Children’s Nursemaid” because of their placid and nurturing demeanor toward children. See the FAQ for more information on these topics.
Throughout their history in America, pit bull dogs have been valued as beloved members of the family. Their negative media image developed only recently. (Some suggest that an absurdly sensationalistic Sports Illustrated cover started the hysteria in 1987.) In fact, pit bulls have fulfilled important roles throughout the last 160-plus years of American history. In the nineteenth century, pit bulls were family pets of settlers crossing the United States. They were trusted to watch the children while the adults worked in the fields. As the years passed, pit bulls achieved a position of reverence among Americans, and they appeared in advertising campaigns such as Buster Brown and Pup Brand. A classic children’s television show, The Little Rascals, featured Petey the Pit Bull. The pit bull is the only breed to have graced the cover of Life magazine three times.
In 1903 Dr. Horatio Nelson Jackson hit the road with co-driver Sewall K. Crocker and a pit bull named Bud, who wore goggles, just like his master, to keep the dust from his eyes. Together, the three made the very first road trip across the US. Bud drew almost as much public attention as his fellow travelers. While it is unclear as to why Jackson and Crocker picked up Bud about halfway through their trip, one story suggests that Jackson rescued him from dogfighters.
In the early twentieth century, pit bulls were so respected for their loyalty, determination, and
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bravery that they were chosen to represent America in WWI posters. The first decorated canine war hero was a pit bull named Sergeant Stubby. He was, until his death, a guest of every White House administration.
Many highly respected historical figures have owned pit bulls: President Woodrow Wilson, President Theodore Roosevelt, Helen Keller, Fred Astaire, Humphrey Bogart, and Thomas Edison, to name a few.
Today, pit bulls are respected and dearly loved by those who know them for what they truly are and not the monsters the media has created.
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Pit bulls still loyally serve society in many roles:

  • Search and rescue (Christina Ridge and Doc appear to the left)
  • Therapy dogs visiting hospitals and senior communities
  • Working in law enforcement as narcotics and bomb detection dogs
  • Educational dogs teaching children about canine safety
  • Service dogs
Pit Bulls and People
Perhaps the most important characteristic of pit bulls is their amazing love of people. Many people are surprised by the loving personality of these dogs the first time they meet one. Pit bulls are remarkably affectionate and truly enjoy human attention. They are wonderful cuddlers and love nothing more than a belly rub. In fact, most pit bulls think they are lap dogs!
As Dunbar (1999) writes, "Today, a properly bred pit bull is so exuberantly happy upon meeting her owner's friends (or even friendly strangers) that new owners sometimes worry that their dog is too sweet and fun-loving to protect their home and family... A multi-talented companion, the well-trained pit bull is suited for a variety of exciting activities. He excels at obedience, agility and weight-pulling competitions, events which showcase intelligence, trainability and strength. In addition, the pit bull's pleasant nature makes him an ideal candidate for therapy work with people."
Traits like human aggression, severe shyness, and instability are not typically found in the APBT breed, nor are they acceptable. Dogs with these traits are not good representatives of the breed and should not be placed into adoptive homes.
Those who wish to label these breeds as “dangerous” are often quick to insist that the dogfighting aspect of their history somehow means that they are inclined to “fight” humans. This is simply wrong. A central fact of pit bulls’ history is that their lineage actually makes them less inclined to be aggressive toward humans. For over 160 years, they have been systematically

bred away from human aggressiveness. As Malcolm Gladwell (author of The Tipping Point, Blink and Outliers) explains in an article published in The New Yorker in 2006:
Pit bulls were not bred to fight humans. On the contrary: a dog that went after spectators, or its handler, or the trainer, or any of the other people involved in making a dogfighting dog a good dogfighter was usually put down. (The rule in the pit-bull world was "Man-eaters die.")
So while human aggressive pit bulls were actively culled from bloodlines, traits such as gentleness, temperamental stability, and the desire to be handled by humans were emphasized. These qualities are the foundation of the “pit bull” breeds. It explains why footage of pit bulls being rescued from horrific circumstances usually features skinny, scarred-up dogs with wagging tails and happy tongues joyfully greeting law enforcement officers. “A pit bull is dangerous to people,” Gladwell concludes, “not to the extent that it expresses its essential pit bullness but to the extent that it deviates from it.”
What is “essential pit bullness”? It’s difficult to express the personality of any breed in words, but for pit bulls it comes down to a certain joie-de-vivre and a magnetic attraction to humans. First, pit bulls have a constant desire to be close to humans, even if that means lying by your feet as you use the computer; they are not overly independent dogs and want nothing more than to be active members of your “family.” Second, pit bulls are outgoing, eager to meet new people, and generally trusting of strangers. Finally, this innate desire for human contact and outgoing nature adds up to the ultimate “people dog”: pit bulls are truly in their element when snuggling on the couch, hopping in the bed on a cold morning, getting rubbed on the belly or scratched behind the ears, showing off a trick, going for a car ride with their family, or playing a fun game.
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Contrary to myths propagated by the media, human aggression occurs in all dog breeds. Canines can exhibit many kinds of aggression: human-, dog-, territory-, and food-aggression, to name a few. These are independent behaviors. For example, feral dogs can be good with other dogs but highly aggressive toward humans. By the same token, a dog with dog aggression isn't by default also human aggressive. Pit bulls test well above average in temperament evaluations. To date, every shred of empirical evidence we have suggests that pit bulls are the same as, if not better than, other breeds when it comes to human interaction. Each year, the American Temperament Testing Society holds evaluations across the country for dog breeds and gives a passing score for the entire breed based on the percentage of passed over failed within total number of the particular breed tested. As of 2008, pit bull breeds achieved a combined passing score of 85.5 percent. To put these figures into context, the combined passing rate of all breeds was 81.6 percent. The Collie, an icon of obedience, passed at a rate of 79.4 percent, and the beloved Golden Retriever scored at 84.2 percent. As you can see, by these measures, the pit bull breeds make fabulous family pets!
Pit bull type dogs are wonderful, loving, and very loyal companions; however, it is important to understand the breed's nature, to provide a structured environment, and to establish a positive leadership role. In order to do so, pit bull owners must understand the original purpose of the breed, respect its limits, and help it fulfill its tremendous potential. This is sound advice for dog owners of any breed. Pit Bulls and Other Dogs
Never trust a dog not to fight. That means any dog! Dog aggression is not a breed-specific behavior. Dogs of any breed can exhibit intolerance toward other dogs.
Dogs may fight over hierarchic status, food, toys, or rawhides. External stimulus or excitement can also trigger a fight. Remember that any canine can fight, regardless of breed. If you frequent a dog park, you’ve surely seen a fight occur among a pack of dogs for reasons not discernible to humans. Owners should separate their dogs if they cannot closely supervise them
Dog aggression (that is, aggression shown by dogs towards other dogs) is a complicated matter. Like most things in life, it is not a black-and-white issue. We should not think of dog aggression as a binary (dog aggressive/not dog aggressive) but as a spectrum: dogs can exhibit zero dog aggression, dog aggression only in some situations, a high level of dog aggression, or dog aggression that falls somewhere in between these points.

The graphic below provides a helpful visualization of this concept:​
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Given their historical circumstances, pit-bull-type dogs can be less tolerant of dogs than other breeds. Pit bull owners must understand that their dogs may not get along with all other dogs. There are several levels of dog tolerance. Many dogs are great with other dogs and enjoy the company of fellow canines. Some dogs do well only with dogs of the opposite sex. Some are fine with dogs they were raised with but intolerant of new dogs. Some dogs are tolerant of other dogs except for in limited circumstances, such as when greeting a new person. Some enjoy the company of other dogs, while others cannot accept any other dogs. All of this should suggest that dogs are individuals and should be treated as such. Owners need to understand their particular dog’s acceptance level of other dogs and manage their dog appropriately when around other animals. A dog's tolerance level can change during its lifetime, and owners need to be aware of these changes so
they can properly manage their dogs while in the company of other dogs. Some dogs become less tolerant as they mature from puppyhood to adult, while others become more accepting as they mature into the senior years. Some can become more tolerant with socialization and training. Regardless of breed, there are many dogs that do not like other dogs, and all dog owners need to be responsible. This means following the basic rules of dog ownership: keeping your dog on leash at all times, not letting your charge unfamiliar dogs, and supervising your valued companion at all times (i.e., not leaving your dog in the backyard without supervision).

For pit bull owners, the stakes are always higher. While they may not instigate a fight, they won’t back down from a challenge. Inevitably, no matter who “started it,” no matter what the circumstances, the pit bull will always be blamed. Each incident in which a pit bull gets blamed jeopardizes our right to own these great dogs. Keep your dog out of trouble!
That said, many pit bulls get along great with other pets and may live happily with other dogs without incident. We simply cannot assume that this is true for all of them. We also cannot take for granted that pit bulls who get along with other pets today will do so tomorrow. The same goes for all other breeds, and none of this should suggest that, in the language of popular myth, pit bulls are more likely to “snap” or “turn.” It only
means that their attitude toward other dogs may change as they mature. Pit bull owners must show common sense by ensuring that they don't set their dogs up to fail by putting them in inappropriate situations. It is every dog owner’s responsibility to ensure that they are managing their dog’s needs and looking out for their dog’s safety at all times. Please remember that, as we note throughout the site, animal aggression and human aggression are two entirely distinct behaviors and should never be confused. Pit bulls are, by nature, very good with people. They are, in fact, one of the most loving, loyal, friendly, and dedicated companions one can have.
Conclusion
PBRC hopes this article will help people understand why so many of us are deeply dedicated to these wonderful dogs. Pit bull dogs need more help, compassion, and understanding than many other breeds, but they will pay you back with more love and loyalty than you ever thought possible.
 

Dr. G

Active member
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Temperament Evaluation
The temperament tests below can be used by future owners, shelter employees and volunteers to evaluate adoption prospects. For additional information on evaluating temperament in a potential rescue dog, click here.
You should be able to come up with an evaluation of the dog's temperament from these easy tests. Not all dogs will fit exactly into each category, but you should be able to get a good idea of how adaptable this dog is. A dog may show a lack of interest in a small area or may even be a little shy in another...this does not make it a bad dog, but a dog that bites and growls and snaps is should definitely be avoided.
Do not hesitate to consult a professional if you have any doubts or are unsure of your ability to complete the evaluation.
Tips on Selecting a Dog
On your very first visit to the dog source, it is wise to leave the children at home. The initial visit should be as objective as possible
Don't make a same-day decision. Remember, think about it like buying a car, not like picking up a candy bar in the supermarket check-out aisle.
Don't get a dog as a "surprise" for someone else. Imagine how you would feel if someone else surprised you by choosing a new roommate for you. A dog is a very personal choice.
After you have surveyed the situation, bring entire family to meet a dog to make sure the dog fits in well with everyone. Some places will even allow you to bring along an existing family pet.
Know the general breed traits for which the breed (or breeds) was selected for over the years (hunting, fighting, chasing vermin, herding) -- these instincts will be very strong in a purebred dog.
Ask about the dog's background. Try to determine the dogs' experiences with humans and other dogs.
Always temperament test the dog to know what you are getting. Use the Puppy Temperament Test for dogs under 5 months and the Adult Temperament Test for dogs over 5 months. (See the charts below!)
Tips for Testing a Dog
Always observe a dog for awhile before interacting with it. Compare the behavior of the dog you are looking at to other dogs.
Before doing a temperament test on a grown dog, you should take some precautions. If the dog makes no attempts to be friendly, is agitated, has a stiff stance, or is hyperactive, do not attempt to evaluate the dog. Where the chart says stop, make sure to stop.
Temperament test only one dog at a time. Remove that dog away from other dogs to a quiet and neutral environment.
Make sure the dog has had a chance to do its business before testing and don't test at right before or after meal time for best results.
Remember to be realistic about the type of temperament that will fit into your household. Most people, especially first-time dog owners, want a responsive, adaptable dog.
Temperament Test for Adult Dogs
Before doing a temperament test on a grown dog, you should take some precautions.
Always evaluate in the presence of another adult.
If you have no background information about the dog at all, you must proceed with caution and stop if the dog shows any signs of resistance. If the dog makes no attempts to be friendly, is agitated, has a stiff stance, or is hyper-active, do not attempt to evaluate the dog.
Be sure to end the test with the dog as soon as shows signs of being aggressive in any way.
You will need a collar, a leash, a chair, a few dog toys, a 4-6' long rope, a 3' stick or a broom, a piece of paper, canned dog food and a bowl for these tests.

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[FONT=Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]Put the dog on a leash. Test the dog's reaction to the outside: Take the dog outside. Try to find squirrels, birds, cats, and other people to expose it to. Call the dog over to look at something.[/FONT] [FONT=Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]Does the dog walk near you but show a curious interest in these other things?[/FONT] [FONT=Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]Does the dog cower and run the other way?[/FONT] [FONT=Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]Does the dog bark furiously and lunge at everything it sees?
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[FONT=Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]Does the dog act very uninterested in the things you show it but very interested in everything else it finds? [/FONT] [FONT=Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]Come inside, but keep the dog on a leash. Sit in a chair and neutrally observe the dog.[/FONT] [FONT=Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]Does the dog lick or nudge your hand? Does it look at you as if to ask for attention? Does it wag its tail? [/FONT] [FONT=Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]Does the dog cower and avoid and interaction?[/FONT] [FONT=Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]Does the dog mouth you? Does it jump up on you roughly?
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[FONT=Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]Does the dog strain at the end of the leash toward some distant smell or noise?[/FONT] [FONT=Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]Talk in a high-pitched, squeaky voice to the dog for 30 seconds. Stop and suddenly go neutral.[/FONT] [FONT=Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]Does the dog respond to your change in behavior?[/FONT] [FONT=Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]Does the dog avoid interacting with you?[/FONT] [FONT=Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]Does the dog jump up, mount, or mouth you?
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[FONT=Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]Does the dog not seem affected by your change in behavior?[/FONT] [FONT=Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]Test the dog's reaction to toys: Use toys to get the dog excited and playing for 30 seconds. Stop and suddenly drop the toy. [/FONT] [FONT=Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]Does the dog play with you, but also respond to your change in behavior?[/FONT] [FONT=Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]Does the dog avoid interacting with you?[/FONT] [FONT=Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]Does the dog jump up, mount, or mouth you? Does the dog take the toy and try to run off with it?
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[FONT=Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]Is the dog unable to change in response to your change in behavior?[/FONT] [FONT=Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]Test the dog's prey drive: With the dog on a leash, have another person run by several times, dragging a toy behind and making a "hissing noise". [/FONT] [FONT=Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]Is the dog more focused on the runner than the toy? Does the dog wag its tail?[/FONT] [FONT=Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]Does the dog act afraid of the runner and the noise?[/FONT] [FONT=Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]Does the dog whine and strain to go after the runner? Does it bark uncontrollably?
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[FONT=Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]Does the dog ignore the runner and the mouse?[/FONT] [FONT=Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]Toss a crumpled piece of paper on the ground. While the dog is sniffing it, yell "Hey! Give me that!" Use a long stick or broom-handle to take the piece of paper away. [/FONT] [FONT=Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]Does the dog stop immediately and come back to you as if to "apologize"?[/FONT] [FONT=Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]Does the dog cower and try to run away?[/FONT] [FONT=Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]Does the dog grab the paper and try to run off with it?
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[FONT=Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]Does the dog not react at all to your yelling?[/FONT] [FONT=Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]Pet the dog in a stroking motion from head to toe several times. Observe the dog's reaction closely.[/FONT] [FONT=Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]Is the dog accepting and willing to be petted and examined?[/FONT] [FONT=Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]Does the dog sink down under your hand?[/FONT] [FONT=Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]Does the dog remain very stiff? Is the dog sensitive about any parts? Does the dog utter a growl?
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[FONT=Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]Is the dog completely uninterested in your petting?[/FONT] [FONT=Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]Test the dog's responsiveness to food: Give the dog food in a bowl and fill it with canned dog food. Before the dog finishes, use a long stick or broom-handle to pull the bowl away.[/FONT] [FONT=Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]Does the dog wag its tail and look expectantly at you?[/FONT] [FONT=Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]Is the dog too scared to eat?[/FONT] [FONT=Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]Does the dog lift its lips, bite at the stick, bark, growl, or jump up on you to get the food back?
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Before You Get Your Pit Bull
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Related Links Adding a dog to your household is a big commitment. We, at PBRC, feel that sharing your life with a pit bull is a wonderful thing! The love, companionship, and sense of humor these dogs bring to our lives is truly a gift.
PBRC encourages owners to make responsible choices about dog ownership.
Here are some things to consider before you adopt a Pit Bull…

  • What are you looking for in a pet? Consider the amount of time, exercise, training, and care required to maintain a healthy, happy dog. Each dog will vary in his/her needs, so when working with a rescue or shelter, be sure to ask as much information as you can about the dog.
  • Is everyone on board? Make sure that everyone in your household is in agreement about adding a pet, and specifically, the dog you have selected to adopt. All household members should meet the dog prior to bringing the dog home, to ensure a good match for everyone involved.
  • Take a test drive! When adopting a dog, get to know the dog as much as you can before you take the dog home. Visit the animal multiple times at the shelter or rescue, talk to staff and volunteers who handle the dog, and ask to walk the dog and interact with him/her off leash in an adoption visiting area.
  • What about your other pets? If you’re adding a Pit Bull to a home that has other pets, make sure that the dog you select will be a good fit. While some Pit Bulls can live quite happily with other pets, not all dogs can live with cats or other dogs. Some prefer to be the only pet in your heart and home. Check with the rescue or shelter staff to see if the dog has been evaluated for compatibility with other animals. Introductions should be done carefully and over time, to allow the animals time to acclimate comfortably and safely. For more information on multiple pet households and introducing dogs to other pets, please review the following pages:

    http://www.pbrc.net/second_dog.html
    http://www.pbrc.net/dogintros.html
    http://www.pbrc.net/socializing.html
    http://www.pbrc.net/training_cat_dog.html
  • Are you a homeowner? If so, check with your homeowner’s insurance company regarding dogs. Sadly, some insurance companies have policies that exclude coverage based on breed of dog.
  • Are you a renter? If so, make sure that your lease allows for pets. Some landlords, management companies, and even condo associations have restrictions regarding number of pets, type or breed, or weight limits. Be upfront with your landlord about the breed of dog, as insurance companies sometimes prohibit certain breeds and your landlord may be restricted by his/her insurance carrier.
  • Where do you live? Unfortunately, some cities or counties have passed breed specific legislation (BSL). The best and most accurate way to find out if your city welcomes dogs of all breeds is to verify with your local Animal Control. Some cities have their animal ordinances and municipal codes online. To learn more about BSL, please visit our web page: http://www.pbrc.net/breedspecific.html
  • Is moving in your future? You will need to make sure that you are able to take your Pit Bull no matter where you live. BSL, individual rental management company restrictions, and insurance can all influence whether or not your dog is a welcome companion in your next living situation. Be sure that you are willing to commit to owning a Pit Bull and that you will take the time to find housing that accepts your dog. Military bases do not allow Pit Bulls, so if you are in the military or considering it, a Pit Bull may not be right for you.
  • Read about the breed. Educate yourself about the American Pit Bull Terrier. Every breed has certain traits; while each dog is an individual, each breed has certain general characteristics. Pit Bulls of correct temperament are gregarious, friendly, athletic, and intelligent. They love people and they love to be engaged in activities with their people. Pit Bulls are not suited to be left alone in a yard; they want to be inside and part of the family. They are not suited to be guarding or protection dogs. Pit Bulls require daily exercise. They are very trainable and generally enjoy learning new things whether it be tricks, obedience, or sports. Walking, jogging, hiking, playing fetch, and swimming are also activities that many Pit Bulls enjoy; as a Pit Bull owner, you will need to keep your dog physically and mentally exercised. PBRC has great informational web pages about these wonderful dogs. Other websites we recommend for learning more about the breed are: www.badrap.org and www.animalfarmfoundation.org
  • As with adopting any pet, you will need to make sure you have the time, money, and resources to take care of your Pit Bull for the rest of his life. A healthy Pit Bull can live 10-12 years. Some live even longer. Make sure you are committed to owning and taking care of the dog for his full life. In general, Pit Bulls are hearty dogs, but they can be prone to skin issues such as mange or allergies. Orthopedic injuries such as ACL tears are also somewhat common in the breed; due to their athleticism and high pain tolerance, some dogs acquire injuries while playing or exercising and may not show pain until the injury has become significant.
If you feel that a Pit Bull is right for you, let PBRC help you take the next step: Adoption! Many shelters and rescues have listed their Pit Bulls on our adoption pages. Please search our site, or your local shelter, for a Pit Bull companion. Then, be ready for all the bully kisses you can stand!
 

Dr. G

Active member
this is the web site that has been testing all dogs for temperment for a long time

this is the web site that has been testing all dogs for temperment for a long time

youll be surprised to see which dogs bite more often

http://www.atts.org/

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ROJO145

Active member
Veteran
Excellent Post Doc!!!One question tho.....who do ya think would win,pitbull or wolf:sasmokin:
 

barletta

Bandaid
Veteran
That's awesome that you took the time to do this. I was only able to read the first few thousand words, but I was unconsciously nodding my head with everything that was said. I have a shit ton of experience with non-bully dogs, and before I met these dogs, I deffo had 'reservations' that were based on misconceptions. I have had 1 old pit for almost 2 years, and the younger 2 for a lil over a year.

Dogs are like cars. ANY car can go fast enough to fukk you up if you are reckless operating it. Some cars were made to go faster than others, and some are more difficult to drive. MOST people just get a car that is 'appealing' to them. Sometimes those people get vettes and 500hp suv's. If you stomp the gas in a vette, you have less margin for error than you do in a geo. Either will kill you if you peg the needle and crash.

Fixem
Leashem
Teachem 'no'.
Takem swimmin once in a while :D
 

T.Baggins

Member
good stuff! have you read any of richard strattons books?i had to give up the dogs a few years ago. i always loved the chinaman dogs..... anything down from eli ....
 

Che

Active member
Veteran
Great post!
I am opposed to BSL, it applies to my area which has a bully ban in effect.
 
Love the thread dude, lots of great info. I also own a APBT and agree they are very misunderstood. You will not find a breed with more personality than a pit. They are the best! My city has just started looking into BSL after 2 deaths in the last few weeks :frown:

Here is my baby Ava shes only 5 months old :joint:
 
Why You Shouldn't Breed Pit-Bulls

Why You Shouldn't Breed Pit-Bulls

THIS WAS TAKEN FROM AN UNKOWN SOURCE

Why Not To Breed 'Pitbulls'

"Did you know that "Pit Bulls" are currently the number one bred dog in the United States? Ironically, they are also one of the hardest breeds to find homes. It is estimated that there is a current average of 3 million "Pit Bulls" living in the United States and only 1 in 600 will successfully find a "forever" home. Sadly, for every 1 "Pit Bull" placed in a loving home there are 599 killed. Shockingly, that statistic unfortunately does not exclude puppies!
Roughly 200 "Pit Bulls" are killed each day in Los Angeles alone because there are not enough homes for the ever-growing population of unwanted dogs in that area. This is a frustrating problem due to over-breeding either intentionally or accidentally. Either way you look at it, it comes down to irresponsible actions by irresponsible and or greedy humans. Many people may not realize that any dog not spayed or neutered is a potential contributor to this terrible problem. The average fertile dog can produce 2 litters in one year. The average number of puppies in a canine litter is 6-10. In six years, one female dog and her offspring can theoretically produce 67,000 dogs..many or most of which will end up dead.
There are between 4,000 and 6,000 animal shelters in the United States. The number of cats and dogs entering those shelters each year is roughly 6-8 million! However, only 30% of the dogs and 2%-5% of the cats are actually reclaimed by their owners. This means the total number of cats and dogs euthanized by shelters annually is 3-4 million! It is estimated that 1 million of those dogs are "Pit Bulls".
Shelters in large cities across the U.S. typically find themselves with a "Pit Bull" population of anywhere from 40% to 60% of the total shelter population and a national average of 33%. Many shelters needing more space will opt to euthanize "Pit Bulls" before any other type of dog due to this overwhelming number. 75% of shelters nationwide will euthanize all "Pit Bulls" entering the facility without ever giving them a chance to be adopted…some more lenient organizations may give the dogs a mere 24 hour grace period before administering the lethal injection. A study done by Animal People reports that the "Pit Bull" euthanasia rate in shelters is at approximately 93% on average which means that ultimately only 7% of all homeless "Pit Bulls" in America will find a "forever" home.
Surely you can see how over-breeding has negatively affected the lives of so many dogs. It is a fact that "Pit Bull" breeders are directly responsible for a significant percentage of the estimated 1 million "Pit Bulls" killed by euthanasia each year nationwide. Now I ask, why breed or buy while so many homeless dogs die?
The "Pit Bull" breeding trend will continue to impact this growing issue of overpopulation in America as long as Americans continue to buy "Pit Bulls". Start making a difference by adopting a "Pit Bull" at your local shelter or visit any one of the websites listed below to view thousands of wonderful, perfectly healthy dogs nationwide waiting to be adopted by a loving family. You can save a life and change these statistics one dog at a time! Try Pitbulls for life or your local spca or dog pound!"
 

Megas

Member
But it's cool to put overly heavy chains on their collars, ask people on here how to start a grow ops, ask stupid questions on what animals it can kill. I'm just waiting for the idiots to chime up on this one. I totally agree with you Reverse, I've become pretty disgusted with some members on here.
I belong to an adoption org for dogs, and I have a friend involved with a different organization theres tons of dogs out there who are abused and never loved. The general people who get these are the same people who are usually obsessed with their image anyways, so its not like they give a damn to adopt something else. Right thugs? Rollin on some Crome got some bling na na na. Fuckin ghetto.
 

Megas

Member
youll be surprised to see which dogs bite more often

http://www.atts.org/

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Clearly we should be worried about dogs that can't break a stick in their mouth. LOL are you kidding me? A friggin pitt could kill all of those without breaking a sweat. This is the stupidest justification for trying to sell this breed as safe.

Well I have a bazooka it only has one round. Clearly it's safer than your 9mm since it has an entire clip!

They're nice dogs but unfortunately 99% of their owners are idiots.
 
C

Cookie monster

Clearly we should be worried about dogs that can't break a stick in their mouth. LOL are you kidding me? A friggin pitt could kill all of those without breaking a sweat. This is the stupidest justification for trying to sell this breed as safe.

Well I have a bazooka it only has one round. Clearly it's safer than your 9mm since it has an entire clip!

They're nice dogs but unfortunately 99% of their owners are idiots.

just because you worked with shelters does not give you the right or qualifications to say 99% of owners are idiots.
 
Megas ,

If in fact you do or have worked at a shelter you obviously haven't come across any of these breeds then. and if you have then you must be too scared to actually interact or take the time to do so. To stereotype that badly if you work in such an environment is probably one of the most UNEDUCATED things I've ever heard someone "qualified" to work there has said. Just because that breed "could" harm all the aforementioned breeds which bite more often doesn't mean that any other large breeds couldn't either. Here's a thought, take your head out of your ass and take the time to be open minded and read what someone took a lot of time to post.:rant:
 

Yes4Prop215

Active member
Veteran
when i was in high school it was the cool and "hood" thing to have your own pitt, so i know a bunch of litttle ghetto wannabe shitheads who bought pittbull puppies. the saddest part is that i know those same lazy fucktards do not own those puppies to this day. over the years they slowly started dissapearing, "i sold her, i gave her away, she ran away" stupid fucking kids, im not trying to generalize but most of them are little hip hop wannabe gangsters.

the problem is stupid teenagers who think they can own a dog so they buy one. then they just dump them off when they dont want them anymore. i had a "friend" dump his german shepard off at my house because he couldnt take care of her. i couldnt do it either, mostly because my landlord has a no dogs policy and plus i have no experiance dealing with big ass dogs. long story short, she managed to break out after a few days and i havent seen her since.

IF YOU DONT HAVE A BIG BACKYARD OR YOUR OWN HOUSE, DONT BUY A DOG.
 

bterzz

Active member
Veteran
Big backyard has nothing to do with anything.

Being responsible and walking your dog everyday, is another thing.
 
Megas,

you need to chill with the petty stereo typing. Just because you might have a personal issue with some owners is no reason to paint us all with the same brush. What are you 11? I'm not hood, didn't buy my dog's 'cuz it's "cool", they don't sport chains and they sure as shit aren't lacking in affection or attention. I bought them because I'm fit and they're the only breed I've owned that won't give up on daily 10+K jog's. They are a VERY fit breed and when people don't exercise them that's when they get into trouble.Simple as that. Quit complaining and make a difference since you seem to have such a strong opinions towards them and their owners.
 

chicalyx

Member
didn't read the article/essay, but it's obvious that no one in this country should be, or needs to be breeding pits right now. G/f is asst. director of a shelter so I hear about the amount of great pure bred pits (and other breeds) that come in everyday, and the ones they have to turn away due to lack of space. At her shelter, pits and pit-mixes far outnumber all other breeds coming in.


Not to get offtopic, but Frosty, if ya ever get the chance to jog/run with a malinois, goodluck tiring it out. several breeds have comparable stamina to pits, but malinois are the craziest stamina-wise I've experienced in person. followed closely by my literally crazy pit/pointer mix.
 
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