Purple Zamal x A5 Haze

[dubi]

What a beauty @Cactus Squatter Really elegant sativa traits and structure.
How is your climate and latitude ? This cross can easily go until end of November/early December outdoors.

Thanks a lot for your feedback @orangina big, great looking indoor colas ripening quite fast for such sativa cross, especially considering how skinny and low yielding the Purple Zamal mother is, but outcrossed it can produce really good yielding plants thanks to hybrid vigor, like it was the case of Zamal Bliss limited edition (Purple Zamal x Nepal Jam).
Purple Zamal (and overall most pure Zamals) are not the most sexually stable sativa genetics to breed with, although Purple Zamal crosses rarely gets very bad in that sense, indoors they can produce nanners, but same plants outdoors rarely do it. Also, i have seen nanners coming out from your plants of different strains.
Do you think could be related to your growing environment and/or feeding ?

 

[Cactus Squatter]

What a beauty @Cactus Squatter Really elegant sativa traits and structure.
How is your climate and latitude ? This cross can easily go until end of November/early December outdoors.

Thanks a lot for your feedback @orangina big, great looking indoor colas ripening quite fast for such sativa cross, especially considering how skinny and low yielding the Purple Zamal mother is, but outcrossed it can produce really good yielding plants thanks to hybrid vigor, like it was the case of Zamal Bliss limited edition (Purple Zamal x Nepal Jam).
Purple Zamal (and overall most pure Zamals) are not the most sexually stable sativa genetics to breed with, although Purple Zamal crosses rarely gets very bad in that sense, indoors they can produce nanners, but same plants outdoors rarely do it. Also, i have seen nanners coming out from your plants of different strains.
Do you think could be related to your growing environment and/or feeding ?

I’m at 33°
Climate currently is 110-120° and stupid humid.
Weather this fall/winter should be mild and stay warm until end of December to January.
I’m usually able to push into early January before the cold becomes a real issue.
So far she’s doing alright in the heat. A little Mg deficient but I think I caught it in time. I always have mg issues this time of year with the constant heat we get July-aug.

 

[dubi]

Hi @Cactus Squatter Pleased to know you are in the right latitude and climate to be able to finish long flowering sativas even until December- early January

 

[The Zientist]

Short update:
I'll be running one my keeper cuts from the last Purple Zamal x A5 hunt, PZA5#3.
The first impression of this cut was quite positive and was well received by myself and inner circle.

It has a spicy incensey strawberry thing, darker on the palate, with a well rounded positive and stackable effect.
The first round yielded sparingly although I have a hunch that under better growing conditions, 12/12 and with a bit of training higher results can be achieved.

The other two (#4/#5) that were enjoyed the most aren't proving to be effective stock plants as I'm unable to have them properly veg. That after 24/0, root trimming, heavy pinching and N nutrient regime. Changing the container volume isn't practical under the micro setup I run.
They rather stay under a constant intermediate stage of both flowering and vegetative growth (aka semi-auto tendencies).
#4 (the highest scoring, despite ineffective motherplant)

#5

Smoke report soon!
tZ

 

[paisajedehierba]

PZxA5 from seed 10 days after switch to 11/13 hours light/dark.

Plant one I guess is more Purple Zamal influenced, both vegetative and regarding the airy early flower structure. Plant 2 shows more A5 influence in this regard. Both were pruned two weeks ago. Plant one semi autoflowerd in week 6 form seed in a small pot. Both were root bounded and are now in 5 liter pots since a few days.

They thrive in a cabinet together with a pollinating F2 auto GT 80% (own line) and a Mauritius x Ethiopian female. Plant 1 is already seeded, plant 2 received the first pollen a few days ago ... she started blooming later but seems to build now denser flower clusters at a faster pace.

Since I pollinate with an automatic flowering line, I am very curious about the flowering behavior of the semi-automatic flowering plant 1 in the F1 generation.

 

[paisajedehierba]

pictures taken 2023-08-23. The seemingly a little more A5 influenced plant in forground shows promising early resin production on seed/bracts and leaves. Early flowering stretch is over.

 

[paisajedehierba]

Pictures from yesterday. The compact, more A5 influenced PZ x A5 got spider mites. It stood as a young plant on the terrace between other outdoorplants for a few days. A more avoidable mistake. I sprayed a commercial product 10 days ago on all plants in the cabinet and started removing leaves. Nevertheless, the plants ripen well. The larger, more PZ-influenced plant develops fine floral aromas with a hint of orange. The more A5 influenced plant has less subtle earthy aromas.

 

[paisajedehierba]

Pictures from yesterday, 2023-09-29 ...
approx. 9 weeks 11/13 light/dark are over. The flowering phase has already begun just under a week before (semi automatic behavior, week 10 of flowering). So far I have harvested 20 of the barely pinhead-sized seeds from the lanky pheno. Plant nutrition has not done well during this period. I guess, the PH from 6.1 has to be increased a little bit next time. The older leaves are yellow (lanky pheno) or yellow/necrotic in the case of the compact pheno, which was invasively infested with spider mites. At first glance, this is not a feast for the eyes. However, the inflorescences themselves show young, deep green leaves and bracts. The lanky pheno has retained its super charming floral-orange scent and deepened it slightly. The compact pheno still smells earthy and also has a hint of +/- grapfruit. Resin development is good on both. I'm really looking forward to enjoying the flowers.

 

[Cactus Squatter]

Just barely starting to flower here at 33°
I do not see a November finish in her future.

 

[paisajedehierba]

PZam x A5 2023-10-14

 

[goingrey]

Damn the mites really did a number on them.

Wonder if it will make the weed more potent.

 

[paisajedehierba]

Damn the mites really did a number on them.

Wonder if it will make the weed more potent.

You mean that ironically (?), how ever, I'm glad that the "core" of the flowers is intact and green. In any case, the resin production gives me more hope than the obvious effects of spider mite infestation.

 

[goingrey]

You mean that ironically (?), how ever, I'm glad that the "core" of the flowers is intact and green. In any case, the resin production gives me more hope than the obvious effects of spider mite infestation.

No I think for real, stressed plants can be more potent, at the cost of yield.

 

[paisajedehierba]

No I think for real, stressed plants can be more potent, at the cost of yield.

I would be very happy if you are right.

 

[Cactus Squatter]

Looks like we’re going to put this girl and a zamaldelica x a5 to the cold test this year. We’re supposed to get some super cold weather soon and both of them are just starting to really flower.
I’ll keep y’all posted on how they do.

 

[Cactus Squatter]

Trucking along, temps in the low 50s this last week and continuing. Daytime temps at the upper 70s so we should see some color start to form if there is going to be any. Zero sign of purpling yet.
Just starting to bulk up this week, she’s been looking super wispy and delicate until recently.
With the bend she’s 7.5ish feet tall.

 

[dubi]

Trucking along, temps in the low 50s this last week and continuing. Daytime temps at the upper 70s so we should see some color start to form if there is going to be any. Zero sign of purpling yet.
Just starting to bulk up this week, she’s been looking super wispy and delicate until recently.
With the bend she’s 7.5ish feet tall.
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Wow what a beast @Cactus Squatter i like a lot what i'm seeing ... plenty of Zamal and Haze influence, very little NL/indica touch. Hopefully she can make it, and the high, yield and sativa quality will compensate for the long flowering. What kind of terps do you get from her now she is starting to get ripe ?

 

[goingrey]

I would be very happy if you are right.

There has been some research that suggests it might be the case. See for example this paper:

https://assets.researchsquare.com/files/rs-155271/v1/9fee9f30-2f27-45ff-bea9-b3e3c83a6a93.pdf?c=1631872918

Obviously it's not recommended for multiple reasons. But if it already happened, why not look on the bright side..

 

[paisajedehierba]

There has been some research that suggests it might be the case. See for example this paper:

https://assets.researchsquare.com/files/rs-155271/v1/9fee9f30-2f27-45ff-bea9-b3e3c83a6a93.pdf?c=1631872918

Obviously it's not recommended for multiple reasons. But if it already happened, why not look on the bright side..4

Going Grey, thanks for the short version of the laboratory experiment. The topic is still bothering you... I'll share my thoughts on it when I get the chance. The first samples from the plant, which was particularly affected by spider mites, were certainly promising. The high is incomparably better than the appearance of the plant. Lasts about 3 hours, at first very stimulating, later more physical with crazy thoughts and images. The longer flowering second plant will be harvested today. I'm very excited about the first tests.

 

[dubi]

Glad you are excited with their stimulating and crazy effects @paisajedehierba remarkable outcome despite the indoor summer grow, depletion of nutrients and mite infection. You are right, fortunately the mites didn't reach the flowers, so glad for you! It's not easy to finish tropical long flowering sativas indoors in small pots with peaks of high temps, they usually finish quite mistreated.

You perfectly identified each pheno siding to each parent plant the taller, lankier with very tropical sativa look and structure, very Zamalish, but with increased yield and vigor thanks to heterosis. The other smaller one did indeed produce more classic looking NL/Haze type of flowers.

Gracias amigo for giving a try to this new R+D hybrid and share your experience with us much appreciated!