L.A D.A. says ALL Dispensaries Illegal & ALL Will be Prosecuted

[pugnacious]

Good discussion here guys.

I wonder how far north this backlash gets.

All this shit happen already up north. I was right there for Frisco and Hayward back in 03-06.

Foothill blvd had allot of clubs and the cops came and swept most of them up. I heard theres only a few of them left now barely hanging on. Last I heard about hayward is when LPC got raided and they found a off shore bank account with millions from the owner. I never knew what happen to that guy.


The Frisco busts had some dispensaries directly involved in organized crime. But I heard frisco still has a good amount of dispensaries. Im hoping they only get rid of the shady ones and keep the good ones. But the DA and LAPD isnt seeing it that way.

 

[Blue Dot]

So the only people supplying dispensaries would be people who grow for themselves to treat their conditions and they only grow what they need. So where is the supply of weed to provide the dispensaries?

There's nothing stopping people from growing more then their personal needs and supplying the clubs with their excesss except they currently cannnot do it while making a profit.

I don't know why everyone jumps on ME. I didn't right the law.

If you're unhappy with the words "affordable" then yell at Dennis Peron, not me.

If you're unhappy with the words "not-for-profit" then yell at the legislators who illegally used their authority to over-ride a propisition.

I'm just the messenger.

 

[nomaad]

who is the arbiter of what is and isn't "greedy profit"?

if the owner of kush korner (whose prices look about normal for the D's as PC calls em) had charged more and set it aside, he'd have more for his legal defense fund. perhaps he wouldn't be bankrupt and facing criminal charges with a public defender. does one have the right to save enough to have the means for a proper defense in case of frivolous prosecution by some fucktrad DA trying to make a name for himself? Should he be able to afford health insurance for his family? not trying to argue with you, Blue Dot but I am often puzzled by what exactly a grower or retailer has to live like to not deserve to go to jail. what is the salary cap before I am criminal scum in your opinion? What kind of car am I permitted to drive before I have to worry about the dudes I shower with. There will always be the greedy and the generous. Karma takes care of both.

I'm not saying that there aren't people out there making unconscionable amounts of profit, but I don't agree with anyone who claims to be the judge of who is and who ain't without coming to the table with some facts. people like to throw around the numbers of what a D could possibly make, but they don't then do a detailed operations budget and compare the two. Have you ever opened a storefront in a metro area? I opened a rollerblade shop (as manager, not owner) in NYC in the 90's and I can tell you that it can cost tens to hundreds of thousands to make a space with good energy and pay a staff... forget about things like stock and debt financing and all that silly stuff.

To dramatize the polarity between paradigms of "non-profit" people have compared the CEO of the Salvation Army with the CEO of the Red Cross. One is a saint and one, a douchebag. Now... what about the miles between those two paradigms? Can I make enough to send my kids to college by growing or selling marijuana to patients?

All this absolutism is creepy as hell. ANYONE. NO ONE. In my 36 years, most of what I have encountered has been neither black nor white. It has fallen somewhere in between. You talk about society's rules... but some of society's rules are fucked up and begging to be modified. That is what this whole fight is about in the first place.

I understand that your beef is with capitalism. I am on the same page. But even Noam Chomsky is worth a million bucks. Michael Alpert (father of Parecon- the only coherent economic theory that I have studied as an alternative to capitalism) makes a nice living teaching and selling books. The non-capitalist purity you base your judgments on is a fantasy. Comrade, fantasy is counter-revolutionary. I say this all with love. (not in a hippy dippy way... or a gay way... more like a fist in the air way, cuz I share your belief that capitalism sucks- but like anything else, there are good things about it.)

Pharma: I agree that a legal defense fund should be set up by the D's. how much does it cost to crush a DA with a loco hair up his ass? I would love to see it play out like that. Will it? Probably not. What is the purpose of the MPP? I should read into it.

 

[nomaad]

To dramatize the polarity between paradigms of "non-profit" people have compared the CEO of the Salvation Army with the CEO of the Red Cross. One is a saint and one, a douchebag. Now... what about the miles between those two paradigms? Can I make enough to send my kids to college by growing or selling marijuana to patients?

If you're unhappy with the words "not-for-profit" then yell at the legislators who illegally used their authority to over-ride a propisition.

to be clear... the LAW sees non-profit as a construct of the tax system. it DOES NOT mean that people can't make six figure salaries.

 

[NorCalFor20]

There's nothing stopping people from growing more then their personal needs and supplying the clubs with their excesss except they currently cannnot do it while making a profit.

I don't know why everyone jumps on ME. I didn't right the law.

If you're unhappy with the words "affordable" then yell at Dennis Peron, not me.

If you're unhappy with the words "not-for-profit" then yell at the legislators who illegally used their authority to over-ride a propisition.

I'm just the messenger.

if you don't agree with the law then why do you say people should go to jail for profiting? Your contradicting yourself , "anyone who makes a profit off cannabis should be arrested"

the only thing ive ever seen you post accurately was saying that sb 420 was an illegal amendment to a proposition (which can only be amended by another proposition , not a senate bill) if you don't' agree with the law then say you don't' agree with the law... don't just agree with a law because it's a law.... if there was a senatebill that passed tommrow that said all growers and smokers of marijuana must chop their dicks off for compliance would you?

(notice how he ignores my post)

 

[kmk420kali]

I just trimmed 20 pounds...money made--
I don't give a fuck if Blue Dot thinks it is ok...this is the way it is--
They can tax and Regulate...or bite me....it just doesn't matter--

 

[Blue Dot]

I just trimmed 20 pounds...money made--
I don't give a fuck if Blue Dot thinks it is ok...this is the way it is--
They can tax and Regulate...or bite me....it just doesn't matter--

people think I'm a dick but I'm glad you made harvest.

I know how hard it can be.

Was that the hothouse? If so, good for you.

Oct in SoCal, You Know!

 

[Hydro-Soil]

I just trimmed 20 pounds...money made--
I don't give a fuck if Blue Dot thinks it is ok...this is the way it is--

Whether you're medical or a cash cropper I don't care as I've benefited from both being around. THANK YOU and KEEP UP THE GOOD WORK!

 

[Blue Dot]

if you don't agree with the law then why do you say people should go to jail for profiting? Your contradicting yourself , "anyone who makes a profit off cannabis should be arrested"

the only thing ive ever seen you post accurately was saying that sb 420 was an illegal amendment to a proposition (which can only be amended by another proposition , not a senate bill) if you don't' agree with the law then say you don't' agree with the law... don't just agree with a law because it's a law.... if there was a senatebill that passed tommrow that said all growers and smokers of marijuana must chop their dicks off for compliance would you?

(notice how he ignores my post)

I DO agree with the law. I don't agree with how the legislators went about it, vis-à-vis sb420 but I agree with their intent.

When I read and voted for 215 i saw the words 'affordable" and I can't find affordable (to me anyway) meds these days so to me the law isn't being followed.

 

[kmk420kali]

I DO agree with the law. I don't agree with how the legislators went about it, vis-à-vis sb420 but I agree with their intent.

When I read and voted for 215 i saw the words 'affordable" and I can't find affordable (to me anyway) meds these days so to me the law isn't being followed.

Dude..."Affordable" is as abstract as "Hot" is, as referring to a good looking woman--
I get it you play Devil's Advocate...and you are on our side--(I Think)
But the Law is subject to interpretation...work with us here bro--

 

[h^2 O]

wtf? didn't the people elect him?

 

[bigbrokush]

This may sound crazy but the people of Los Angeles need to make Marijuana the lowest crime on the books for any amount. Why any amount because most clubs have at lease 5lbs in there at a time if not more. Then they have to pass a law by the voters that would let clubs do business. There are only a few people in office that hate the clubs and those are the ones that depend on putting them in jail.

 

[johnnyla]

When the law is changed I'll change my tune.[/quote] -BLUE DOT


kind of a cop mentality, no? you are all about rules and regulations, aren't ya?

 

[Blue Dot]

kind of a cop mentality, no? you are all about rules and regulations, aren't ya?

When it comes to sick people then yeah, I'm a stickler for laws because i believe sick people need our help and if people aren't willing to help them out of the goodness of their own heart then I have no problem with the gov FORCING them to help them. If that's called socialism I'm all for it.

You see no more then a few years ago I was a relativley young healthy person who loved my job then I got injured on the job and the doc said I couldn't work that job. I was devastated.

So I know what it's like to go from healthy to ill in a short time and it changes your life.

I thought I was invincible and so do most of these D owners.

That's what kills me about Richard Lee. He knows what it's like to be in a wheelchair and yet he STILL trys to capitalize on a law designed to help the sick.

That's just wrong on many levels.

 

[Hundred Gram Oz]

The Criminalization of ALL cannabis smokers needs to end and the whole private prison thing you people got is SICK, ffs stand up to the government.

 

[zenoonez]

When it comes to sick people then yeah, I'm a stickler for laws because i believe sick people need our help and if people aren't willing to help them out of the goodness of their own heart then I have no problem with the gov FORCING them to help them. If that's called socialism I'm all for it.

You see no more then a few years ago I was a relativley young healthy person who loved my job then I got injured on the job and the doc said I couldn't work that job. I was devastated.

So I know what it's like to go from healthy to ill in a short time and it changes your life.

I thought I was invincible and so do most of these D owners.

That's what kills me about Richard Lee. He knows what it's like to be in a wheelchair and yet he STILL trys to capitalize on a law designed to help the sick.

That's just wrong on many levels.

So you are for the govt forcing growers to sell pot for less? Fuck you. I am a free man, slave to no one not even the government. I pay my taxes because I believe for the most part they go to worthwhile ventures but the moment the government forces me to sell any of my goods for a lower cost is the moment I stop paying taxes and move. You can't do the job you wanted to do, that sucks, thats the story of life. But how does that justify thinking that the price of pot should not be determined by supply and demand but by your whim and the government's might? How bout the govt comes along and forces you to break rocks for a living? Doesn't sound fair does it? You want my compassion? Make a case for it. Want to force me to give you compassion, read my lips FUCK YOU. No offense and if mods have a problem, please edit my post but I feel strongly about this. If you honestly need meds and can't pay club prices, find a club that has a program for it, there are plenty of them. Or go find some unaffiliated growers who sell their stuff cheaply, once again, there are plenty of them. If you can't afford the club experience then don't pay for the club experience. But if you truly believe the bolded part of your statement above you are the root of all evil. You want to hold growers at the end of the proverbial gun to keep your meds low price? Screw that. Go ahead, create the environment with your votes where no pot grower can make a decent profit in the semi legit way it works now. Watch what happens. They will quit or move to the black market like it was years ago. You should redirect all that energy you put behind standing for unjust laws into making mj legal across the boards not at seeking to threaten those who produce your meds.

 

[Ocean Grown]

Yes, I use BOLD too much!

Yes, I use BOLD too much!

It's going to take another initiative to pass in order to clean up the gaping holes in current law. To protect patients and providers. But mostly protection for growers! That will lower prices...some. It's hard to give it away when every noise at night is the sound of jail cells banging shut. Or even get in the mood to be generous!
Protect the suppliers and it becomes a white market.

Or some growers/collectives/patients to get on the same friggin page. Sacrifice will bring glory for all. Me, mine! is a recipe for failure.

Right now, I can't see any changes. I'm blind from the changes going on. Heck you have to recruit 100,000 patients to show up to a single rally that will help save their own supply. And only 135 show?

What does that tell you about what it really takes to make real change? Free bud if you show up to save your own butt? And still only 135? How bad to you want to lose? epic fail.

It's a lot like an ASA meeting I used to favor "waaayyy up north". The attendance varies by who announces what strain they are bringing for after the next meeting. Go figure?

No smoking till the letters are written and the FULL rally NEEDS major crowd control. No taking without giving.

Look, Blue Dot is really a caring guy who wants to see it kosher. And nothing burns as bad as feeling like a disenfranchised patient, let down by the system! <--!! Plus he gives us all food for thought along with annoying gas. He keeps people thinking. Sometimes about hanging. lol

One last comment: The Govt regulates almost every industry in the US of A. To expect otherwise is just a pipe dream. Get over it. It's insane to think otherwise.

The trick is to give them your wife but keep the mistress and the yacht.

4:20am: CEO of a true closed loop NP collective that moonbeam jerry himself says "looks OK on paper to me" and I'm still wondering if that noise outside is....

Rule #1 If you think MMJ is about YOU, YOUR rights or GODS wishes, you have already lost the war. YOU will remain a "closet" industry with no real political power. It's truly a WE issue. Perhaps the only one many will ever know.

BTW: I drove the 1300 mile round trip to show up in Montebello. And I have nothing to do with the overblown regulations in LA. Would you do the same?
How badly do you want this? And most important of all: Will you sacrifice for it?

All it requires to change the world is to show up, over and over. Even when you don't want to.

Rally? Letters weekly? Ah.. no thanks, maybe next time. If I'm not too busy.

 

[PharmaCan]

When it comes to sick people then yeah, I'm a stickler for laws because i believe sick people need our help and if people aren't willing to help them out of the goodness of their own heart then I have no problem with the gov FORCING them to help them. If that's called socialism I'm all for it.

You see no more then a few years ago I was a relativley young healthy person who loved my job then I got injured on the job and the doc said I couldn't work that job. I was devastated.

So I know what it's like to go from healthy to ill in a short time and it changes your life.

I thought I was invincible and so do most of these D owners.

That's what kills me about Richard Lee. He knows what it's like to be in a wheelchair and yet he STILL trys to capitalize on a law designed to help the sick.

That's just wrong on many levels.

Hey Blue Dot. A few years ago I got injured on the job too, but my employer didn't have Worker's Comp insurance. My back is totally fucked up and I can't work anymore. So, how about you give me half of your worker's comp benefits? How about if you don't want to give me half I come take it from you at the point of a gun ...or let the gov't put you in prison if you don't give me half? That's exactly what you are constantly advocating with mmj! When can I expect my first check?

PC

 

[PharmaCan]

Blu Dot Shows His True Colors

Blu Dot Shows His True Colors

Hell, I like to keep like 20 different strains on hand because I like to keep changing it up.

So, fucktard, while the average mmj user is lucky to have any meds on hand, and has to work and sacrifice for those, your big beef about the high cost of meds is because of your gluttonous appetite. Man, you aren't even a socialist; you're just a fucking narcissist! If you want a tit to feed on, call your mother. She's the one that's responsible for your selfish, spoiled, narcissistic ass, not the rest of society.

PC

 

[Amstel Light]

dang guess that shut him up!^^