I've never found a single vitamin or supplement that noticably changed my health

[mad librettist]

the vitamin C thing for colds has been debunked thoroughly.

All omega fatty acids come from plants, none are manufactured by animals.

on a calorie by calorie basis, lots of fruit have way more vitamins of all sorts compared to meat.

Also the ONLY source of vitamin A is found in the liver of animals

bullshit. you can get vitamin A from:

Cantaloupes
Grapefruit
Guava
Mango
Papaya
Passionfruit
Tomatoes
Watermelon

 

[supermanlives]

i like liver mmm. with onions please. juicing is the way to go. but not with liver LOL

 

[supersmallgiant]

Organic EVOO does wonders for your skin and is great for your digestive tract. You will see a immediate improvement and your shits will come out smooth as butter.

Just start drinking olive oil or what? lol Dosage?

 

[BigDawg]

ive always wanted to juice but don't you need a lot of fruit... that shit can get expensive too.. and what about pesticides in it?

 

[igrowone]

ive always wanted to juice but don't you need a lot of fruit... that shit can get expensive too.. and what about pesticides in it?

you could go organic, but that's going to raise the price quite a bit
for the most part, there doesn't seem to be much in the clinical studies that show harm from the traces of pesticides in fruits/vegetables
some have more than others, so some may be better than others
now farm workers that are exposed to much higher pesticide concentrations, there have been some down sides for those folks

 

[azad]

Hi, sorry if its already be mentioned, Himalyan Shilajit. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shilajit

 

[igrowone]

i'll just put this out there with regards to vitamin E
once the poster child of vitamins, now a bit tarnished
some studies showed promise, others less so
but what did these studies use? the synthetic form of d alpha tocopherol, it is cheap
it had been 'well' known in the supplements community that synthetic vitamin e is probably not a good thing, many use the organic types(which are more expensive, they are a mix of tocopherols, as found in foods)
so is vitamin E useless? very much an open question because all the studies used synthetic, which is not likely to remedied in the near future

 

[mrcreosote]

The real secret for good health is horseradish sauce on a nice juicy slab of prime rib. Baked potato, some green shit of choice and a salad.
The added bonus is a nice buttery shit also.

This makes a for a complete and happy life.

Horseradish sauce is what gives Superman his superpowers.

Save room for pie.

 

[supermanlives]

ssshhh dont let the secret out. i do love my horseradish

 

[zymos]

i'll just put this out there with regards to vitamin E
once the poster child of vitamins, now a bit tarnished
some studies showed promise, others less so
but what did these studies use? the synthetic form of d alpha tocopherol, it is cheap
it had been 'well' known in the supplements community that synthetic vitamin e is probably not a good thing, many use the organic types(which are more expensive, they are a mix of tocopherols, as found in foods)
so is vitamin E useless? very much an open question because all the studies used synthetic, which is not likely to remedied in the near future

To take that a bit further, it is now believed that large amounts of alpha tocopherols, which for a time were felt to be the important ones, compete with the other tocopherols, in a way CAUSING a deficiency. I'm taking mixed tocopherols with a high ratio of gamma...

 

[igrowone]

To take that a bit further, it is now believed that large amounts of alpha tocopherols, which for a time were felt to be the important ones, compete with the other tocopherols, in a way CAUSING a deficiency. I'm taking mixed tocopherols with a high ratio of gamma...

dead on, and it is suspected the synthetic may be actually harmful, and showed a slight increase in risk of heart disease in some studies
another poster child was folic acid, remember the hype of a few years ago?
similar deal, there are different forms/potencies of folate, the vegetables/fruits with high folate show benefits, but i saw a slight increase of risk of pancreatic cancer in one study of synthetic folate
which is the crap they're shoving into a lot of mainstream(read industrial) foods

 

[AndreNicky]

i like liver mmm. with onions please. juicing is the way to go. but not with liver LOL

Smart man. Liver is probably the best food based item you can use to supplement your diet, nothing is really comparable in terms of vitamins.

 

[AndreNicky]

But lately, the landscape has been shifting dramatically qnd assumptions are being questioned. The story coming out of that is that supplemention is mostly unnecessary and possibly harmful.

Only in regards to specific nutrients and massive megadoses. Unless you actually read science journals you have no idea what you are talking about. Sensationalized articles by journalist who aren't scientist don't count.

Yes, it is totally possible for the best and brightest to fail miserably at basic science while sounding absolutely convincing. I bet 95% of readers here still think lactic acid is a waste product responsible for soreness. That is absolutely false - it has been known for years now that lactic acid is actually the fuel, not the waste - yet there are still pros and gurus out there making money helping people determine their "lactic acid threshold". You have professional athletes avoiding milk. It's absolute hooey.

You can use lactate as fuel but it still seems to be pretty damn harmful based on the evidence we have. Check out this article http://raypeat.com/articles/articles/lactate.shtml

 

[rambo6372]

Just start drinking olive oil or what? lol Dosage?

I add it sparingly to salads or if im fixing a sandwich but I use it as a lotion. You will be slightly greasy for a short while but it leaves a nice scent especially when you sweat. Anything you put on your skin is just as good as ingesting it, sometimes better as it doesnt go through your digestive tract with all the acids and synthesing by your liver. I dont think anyone would enjoy ingesting jergens or vaseline lotion. If you cant eat it, it shoudnt go on the skin.

 

[mad librettist]

Only in regards to specific nutrients and massive megadoses. Unless you actually read science journals you have no idea what you are talking about. Sensationalized articles by journalist who aren't scientist don't count.



You can use lactate as fuel but it still seems to be pretty damn harmful based on the evidence we have. Check out this article http://raypeat.com/articles/articles/lactate.shtml

the lactic acid article you posted references studies from the 90's. The myth was not debunked until the last decade.


http://www.nytimes.com/2006/05/16/health/nutrition/16run.html

http://www.sport-fitness-advisor.com/lactic-acid.html

http://www.time-to-run.com/theabc/lactic.htm

http://solarkismet.wordpress.com/2007/08/17/lactic-acid-muscle-build-up-is-a-myth/


I'm not sure which "sensationalized" articles you think I'm reading, but considering what you posted directly following that comment, it's obvious you are not serious.

 

[elmanito]

While taking vitamins may not harm anyone, Scientific American has published study after study over the years showing how ineffectual and worthless they really are to human health.

If you want your body to absorb vitamins, they need to be ingested as a whole with enzymes included (whole apple, whole orange or raw vegetable for instance). without the enzymes, the vitamins are just washed through your body in the form of yellow piss.

For the most part, supplemental vitamins are totally worthless. You the consumer think you need them due to supreme marketing efforts.

My 2 cents.

Scientific American article you're talking was debunked by other independent scientists, but the same magazine published the flawed article about the Arsenic bacteria of NASA, which was more PR stunt of NASA than really true science.

When you watch the label of a vitamin supplement, you will see that it say to take the vitamin with a meal and not on an empty stomach.

Suggested Usage: As a dietary supplement, take four Multi-Food Complex Vcaps® daily with food. Dietary fats found in foods are essential to ensure absorption of fat-soluble nutrients.

The yellow piss you're talking about is caused by vitamin B2 or Riboflavin.

The compound is important, so e.g a supplement with Zinc oxide is less desirable than with Zinc citrate.In some area's in the world there is not much of Selenium in the soil, so a supplement like L-Se-Methylselenocysteine is a very good one to choose.

Namaste

 

[AndreNicky]

the lactic acid article you posted references studies from the 90's. The myth was not debunked until the last decade.


http://www.nytimes.com/2006/05/16/health/nutrition/16run.html

http://www.sport-fitness-advisor.com/lactic-acid.html

http://www.time-to-run.com/theabc/lactic.htm

http://solarkismet.wordpress.com/2007/08/17/lactic-acid-muscle-build-up-is-a-myth/


I'm not sure which "sensationalized" articles you think I'm reading, but considering what you posted directly following that comment, it's obvious you are not serious.

Your posting articles written by journalist who have no scientific credentials. A study being from the 90s has no bearing on its validity. FYI lactic acid is never produced in the muscles, "Analysis of the glycolytic pathway in humans indicates that there are not enough hydrogen ions present in the glycolytic intermediates to produce lactic or any other acid"(http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lactic_acid#Exercise_and_lactate). I just posted the article by peat to give a different perspective and because I respect his opinion, doesn't mean he's necessarily right.

The sensationalized article par wasn't necessarily targeted at you but this is often where people get the majority of there info. You clearly haven't looked at the science journals is you think "that supplemention is mostly unnecessary and possibly harmful". It depends entirely on the circumstances.

 

[dddaver]

It strikes me that this thread is very typical of a lot in all walks life these days. Especially in "scientific study". A lot of the journalists who report study findings often slant it to the most popular view, therefore sell more of their writings. And the scientists are not authors. But they do know how to slant conclusions to attract more funding. Most of these "studies", especially the cannabis studies (it's Schedule I, scientists can't get it) when looking at the original data are way flawed with miniscule samples. I guess the answer is just do what feels good to you. Your psyche or how you feel about it is what makes the difference anyway. Anyway, whatever, I happen to agree with the OP. "But, let's complicate it some more. Baffle with the bullshit. Somebody will buy it".

 

[bagend12]

I've always felt that as long you eat a well balanced diet (good mix of veggies, grains, fruits, and some protein from meat), you don't need to take multivitamins.

 

[mad librettist]

Your posting articles written by journalist who have no scientific credentials. A study being from the 90s has no bearing on its validity. FYI lactic acid is never produced in the muscles, "Analysis of the glycolytic pathway in humans indicates that there are not enough hydrogen ions present in the glycolytic intermediates to produce lactic or any other acid"(http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lactic_acid#Exercise_and_lactate). I just posted the article by peat to give a different perspective and because I respect his opinion, doesn't mean he's necessarily right.

The sensationalized article par wasn't necessarily targeted at you but this is often where people get the majority of there info. You clearly haven't looked at the science journals is you think "that supplemention is mostly unnecessary and possibly harmful". It depends entirely on the circumstances.

Wow, you do not feel the ny times is credible, yet you refer to wikipedia.

Really?

The lactic acid question has been settled and the burn from exercise is unrelated.