If you don't mind, please use capitalization, punctuation and paragraphs for long posts. Otherwise it's hard to determine exactly what you mean w/o reading the post twice.
Is civilization about to fall?
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If you don't mind, please use capitalization, punctuation and paragraphs for long posts. Otherwise it's hard to determine exactly what you mean w/o reading the post twice.
'vitamin' b17 prevents, stops and cures cancer. your mind cures cancer actually, d
alot of toothpaste has "no flouride added". choose or snooze,d
one rebuttle only, giza pyramids, baalbek(1000 ton blocks) in lebanon. if you beleive we are at the peak of "civilization" and "technology", you will be gravely mistaken. mankind is conditioned to be stupider now then he ever was, the difference is he's told repeatively hes the contrary. treat the cause, not the symptom. i have no points to defend, just suggestive words. taking life personally is the nemesis of our existance, every thing is equal in the eyes of infinity, d
ps great point, only siths speak in absolutes, the indescribable force will take us all. choose to know it now or when you die, no one is right or wrong when confronted by the boundless
dunno about that. something like that would have to be backed up with some...well... some evidence. not trying to heckle you, but the stats show that spontaneous remission is distributed evenly across the board when it comes to cancer. people with bad attitudes get lucky just as often as those with good... and just as often as people who go to malaysia to have the cancer pulled out of them by snake dancers.
I mainly keep myself healthy with Oregano oil, massage and chiroprators and have not seen an alopathic doctor (except the ones in my family) in many years... I believe in the power of the mind to maintain health, but only to a certain degree. Like, it has been proven that happy, positive and active old people live longer and with less issues.
If you have seen actual proof of this I am very interested to see it. If not, i think its unfair (though I am sure it comes from the right place) to state that to somebody who is sick with cancer as if it were true (not that I think you hurt anyone's feelings...gramps seems like a thick skinned fella.)
disfunktional
Member
so far from what iv noticed hes ignored the majority of examples. you cant argue with an idiot, they drag you down to their level and beat you with experience.
Are you trying to get into Epigenetics such that "perception" as manifested in every one of our cell membranes controls the function of genes. I get your drift that genes are not self actualizing and it's the environment they respond too. Dysfunctional thinking may found out to be a cause of cancer. From a book called the Biology of Belief. I believe the brain is much more powerful than we give it credit for. That's all really neato, but until I get tangible evidence I'm going to go ahead and follow my doctor's advice (after your own research!) and take the pills I need to take. I'm alive after a bone marrow transplant. Science works. It's all in combination. You just have to pick through it and find what you believe is right.
Oh and I still don't buy into the
some of them should be read twice. but DB if this is your way of showing interest, i will obilge as best as i can. just know my goal is to get you the seed, not impress you with my excellent punctuation, grammar and spelling. lol
what you do with it......
btw, did you respond out of interest at all? cause i would hope you would have some real concern about the content of my post, not so much how it came to you. if you are wanting to hear more show some real interest, if not pick a different person to play with, as i'm not interested.
OHGEE
The majority of society has been so dumb down it's almost impossible for them to come to grips with the reality of this. It's a shame that people can't think outside of what has been force fed to them by the establishment media. They react almost like children when you shake up their reality. Why can't people understand that there's a handful of people that control the entire concept of money and through various banks effectively control the corporations and governments of the world?
Yeah, you are certainly an open individual...all you leftists like to bring up the nazi word..but in reality, it is undeniable that the Democrat party and the current admin are far more nazi like than any administration we have ever had. That is a fact.
You have no fucking idea what a nazi is.
The only example you have given me was to simply mention the Patriot Act. You leftists assume that is a clear violation of our rights...but perhaps you should actually read the patriot act? And when you are done, show me one example of a US citizen having their constitutional rights violated by means of the patriot act.
Either show it or don't.
I don't tout the party line...in fact, the republicans are a bunch of loser asshole shills. Until they adopt conservative values back into the party, they are as lost as the numbskulls in the white house now.
I got your idiot hanging, Jr.
It all still comes down to one thing:
Profit for profit sake and infinite economic growth are by definition malignant philosophies.
Pure capitalism is supremely evil.......one just has to look at the record of American and British capitalists sucking Hitler's kawk during WWII so they can make oodles of cash (IBM, Ford, Grandpappy Prescott Bush etc etc etc) or the present behaviour of the Corpo-Nazi planet rapers to see that this is the case.
Besides, aren't political threads not allowed here???
Profit for profit sake and infinite economic growth are by definition malignant philosophies.
Pure capitalism is supremely evil.......one just has to look at the record of American and British capitalists sucking Hitler's kawk during WWII so they can make oodles of cash (IBM, Ford, Grandpappy Prescott Bush etc etc etc) or the present behaviour of the Corpo-Nazi planet rapers to see that this is the case.
Besides, aren't political threads not allowed here???
AndreNicky
Member
I'm very sorry for your illness but your wrong, the pills are just draining your cash and keeping you sick. Cancer is cure able with proper nutrition, the reason people get cancer is because there ph is out of balance.
You probably won't take my advice but i would recommend a diet devoid of grains, processed food, soy etc. and high in organic green vegetables and fruit. Take it slow tho, your body's so toxic from all those pharmaceuticals so your gonna wanna start out slowly and gradually add more and more fresh raw produce.
Big pharm doesn't have a place anywhere, its one of the biggest scams ever placed on us.
regardless, i don't think its out of the question to ask people to use proper punctuation so that their posts (specially long ones) are more readable. its quite difficult to absorb information that you have to decipher the grammar of first. lets be reasonable.
type like you talk. its not that difficult and it makes like easier for people who are interested in the content of your posts. i don't think this should be a point of contention. if grammar and punctuation is not your strong point, saying something like "sorry, i'll try to write more clearly in the future." would have been a reasonable response.
while the whole point of this place is to argue our way to understanding, we shouldn't be arguing stuff this silly.
again. unproven. i just called my friend who is a gluten free nutrition guru with 20 years experience and asked him what the remission rate was in his clients with cancer (he has had 35 or so over the years) and, while the number of people tgreated does not contitute a big enough sample for it to count as a real study, his findings are that remission rates in cancer patients who do exactly what you recommend (and more) are no higher than in patients who do not change their diet. General health and longevity DO increase with better diet, but this is true for cancer patients and non-patients alike.
please show ANY kind of legit scientific evidence (even statistical analyses are welcome) for you claims and then we can begin to discuss them. I'm not even asking for peer reviewed published mainstream studies as I am sure you'll say that these are ALL corporate-funded, purpose-built and illegit. For the sake of this argument, we'll allow ANY kind of evidence.
I'm not a troll. I have been living on the side of a Central American mountain growing our own food and running a carbon neutral bamboo home building company for the last five years.
Again, it is extremely irresponsible to tell a cancer patient that faerie dust will cure them... especially without even directing them to a knowledge base where they can look at the data that supports your claims. "Hey... i feel for you and your condition, but I know that you just have to get you pH in balance. you should check out the following resources and see what you think." would be a much less ridiculous way to go about you new career as the healer of all things malignant.
AndreNicky
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http://www.bibleplus.org/health/rawfood.htm
http://www.healingcancernaturally.com/nutrition4.html#Cancer%20healing%20testimonies%20through%20raw%20food%20and%20freshly-extracted%20vegetable%20juices
http://www.healingcancernaturally.com/naturalcancer-curetestimonials.html#universityprofhealshimself
These are just 3 random articles i found by googleing raw food cancer cure.
Alternatively you can look up Dr. sebi who cures cancer, aids, hiv and diabetes or Dr. brian clement who does the same at his hippocrates institute.
Fruits and vegetables arn't "fairy dust" they are the most beneficial medical options we have available. I could really care less if i'm ridiculed, if you can't do the research on your own maybe you don't deserve the cure.
There is no so-called "legitimate scientific evidence"(how legitimate is it really???) because it would put pharmaceutical companies out of business.
By the way gluten free=raw fruits and vegetables?!??!?! I don't think so, i could be gluten free and eat nothing but soy burgers and peanut butter sandwiches all day lol
http://www.healingcancernaturally.com/nutrition4.html#Cancer%20healing%20testimonies%20through%20raw%20food%20and%20freshly-extracted%20vegetable%20juices
http://www.healingcancernaturally.com/naturalcancer-curetestimonials.html#universityprofhealshimself
These are just 3 random articles i found by googleing raw food cancer cure.
Alternatively you can look up Dr. sebi who cures cancer, aids, hiv and diabetes or Dr. brian clement who does the same at his hippocrates institute.
Fruits and vegetables arn't "fairy dust" they are the most beneficial medical options we have available. I could really care less if i'm ridiculed, if you can't do the research on your own maybe you don't deserve the cure.
There is no so-called "legitimate scientific evidence"(how legitimate is it really???) because it would put pharmaceutical companies out of business.
By the way gluten free=raw fruits and vegetables?!??!?! I don't think so, i could be gluten free and eat nothing but soy burgers and peanut butter sandwiches all day lol
You're wrong. An example:
"Brandon Mayfield is a Portland, Oregon resident who is a convert to Islam and an attorney. Mayfield was wrongly accused by the government of involvement in the Madrid bombing as a result of evidence, including mistaken fingerprint identification, that fell apart after the FBI re-examined its case following its arrest and detention on Mayfield on a material witness warrant. Attorney General Gonzales acknowledged before the Senate Judiciary Committee that Section 218 of the Patriot Act was implicated in the secret search of Mayfield’s house. FBI admitted that it entered Mayfield’s house without a warrant based on criminal probable cause and copied four computer drives, digitally photographed sever documents, seized ten DNA samples and took approximately 335 digital photographs of Brandon Mayfield’s home." from an ACLU report: http://action.aclu.org/reformthepatriotact/facts.html#one
The most widespread abuse of our right to privacy brought about by the Patriot Act is through its widening of the allowed usages of National Security Letters.
"National security letters (NSL) are written demands from the FBI that compel internet service providers, credit companies, financial institutions and others to hand over confidential records about their customers, such as subscriber information, phone numbers and e-mail addresses, websites visited and more.
NSLs have been used since the 1980s, but the Patriot Act expanded the kinds of records that could be obtained with an NSL. They do not require court approval, and come with a built-in lifetime gag order. With an NSL, the FBI need merely assert that the information is “relevant” to an investigation, and anyone who gets a national security letter is prohibited from disclosing that they’ve received the request." from Wired: http://www.wired.com/threatlevel/20...act-authority-increased-dramatically-in-2008/
Its is absolutely frightening how much these NSL's have been and are being usedagainst US citizens. Do you trust the DOJ's own stats, hoosier?
from: http://irregulartimes.com/index.php...tters-on-the-rise-and-used-against-americans/
Add to that the use of NSL's to coerce the tekecoms to allow NSA taps of the main arteries of the internet in 2005...
OK... ball is in your court, hoosier. You asked for examples of how the Patriot act has been used against American citizens and you have been provided with numerous examples. What do you have to say?
enough with the comments on my internet edicate, read or don't. i'll type how it comes out at the time. if my two year old is in my lap trying to get a little extra attention, or if i'm high and can't type clearly due to becoming hypoglycemic, or whatever the reason. i addressed DB about this issue and that includes you and all others if you guys have nothing better to do then comment on this part of my post, and not the content, then i am sad to say you have greater concerns then my punctuation.
i will try to make it more legible for you, but since we we are dishing out "you shoulda's" you should all look into these things for yourself. until you work on my request and show the same appeciation for my time as i am trying to show you for yours, no more comments about punctuation ok? thanks i'm glad i could help. have a great day.
OHGEE
boroboro
Member
That wasn't directed at me, but I thought I might jump in. Here's one example, just took about one minute in Google:
http://www.cnn.com/2007/US/law/09/26/patriot.act/index.html said:
But before you lump me in with "You leftists", HoosierDaddy, don't worry, I hate all the same politicians that you do -- I guarantee it.
I didn't ridicule you. I disagreed with you. I have read all the links you posted (and they jibe with things I have read in the past- my brother died of AIDS and I spent years reading and looking into alternative treatments.)
Reagrdless of the CLAIMS made by the articles you have linked to, there is still no CREDIBLE evidence in the form of studies and statistical analyses.
I agree that much "legitimate scientific evidence" is purpose made and paid for by the phram industry... i stated that clearly in my first post to you. However, this is not an indictment of science and the scientific method. It does not absolve you of the burden of PROOF that your theory is valid. A simple statistical analysis would yield a pretty good conclusion. Its not like you need the Johns Hopkins oncology department to link up with the MIT sataistics department to come up with some real science to back up your claims. Until there is some, I am going to have to go on my own experience and say that people who cure their cancer by changing their diet (my friend, the gluten free guru, is also a major proponent of raw foods and advises a raw diet when he feels its consistent with the person's needs) are just as common as people who's cancer remits spontaneously.
If you consider a challenge to actually back up your claims (and the claims on the websites you link) with science that I can respect (doesn't take much) to be ridicule, so be it.
Just to show you that I am interested only in seeking knowledge and understanding, I have been searching for studies that support your claims... there are a couple of snippets here and there, but nothing that actually supports what you are saying. some studies that were started and never followed up on, etc. Nothing at all that begins to assume the burden of proof. Really, its just a few alrticles out there that make the same suppositions and cite the same not-very-solid info out there.
One of the things that I have come to understand about certain people is that they don't need proof. If something just feels right it fits into their world view, then it must be truth. Have you read the testimonials of family members of patients who have followed your advice and died? That exists too in equal measure and is just as valid as the data on which you base your opinion. That's basically what the links you posted and the further research I did are... testimonials and opinions. No data, no statistics that cover a truly representative sample, etc.
I'm just sayin... if you're gonna come tell a cancer patient that all his meds (without even knowing what they are and what they are used for) are worthless, you're gonna have to come correct.
and OHGEE: language is about communication. when you butcher language, it makes communication more difficult. its the same as asking somebody to speak up or not mumble or take their hand away from their mouth when speaking and its perfectly legitimate. so far, i haven't noticed anybody ask you to elaborate on your ideas, but this does not mean that people can't ask you not to talk with food in your mouth because they are having trouble understanding you. Maybe they would be more interested in your ideas if they didn't have to re-read for grammar, an entirely different thing than re-reading for better understanding of content.
