Ideas For Keeping Pot Prices from Deflating Rapidly

[binaryfission]

Marketing is one of the market forces that effect the price of goods. All the terrior bullshit is nothing but snake oil marketing...but more power to you if you can sell that. It could effect the price point if you could sell the concept. Thing is, you won't be able to sell that concept with cannabis like you can with grape vineyards. The difference you would try to sell the consumer is not a discernible thing, as cannabis is far to diverse from pheno to pheno. If they bought it, it would only be the marketing bullshit they bought.

Wow, terroir is bullshit. tell that to the billion dollar wine industry.

and LW you say you have ten years in wine? You seriously think the industry would be what it is with out this? talk to me about your perspective on wine. You all for blending?

 

[kmk420kali]

it won't go below $1000 per lb unless it's legalized nationally. so big deal. grow a bunch of 4lbers outside. i can see why someone with a 400 watt cab is whining as they aren't going to be selling their friends 1/8ths anymore as it will be cheaper to buy it or grow it in the sun, which you can once it's legal.

I don't think even the small guys have much to worry about--
Dispensaries have charged top dollar successfully...when every single one of their customers are fully legal to grow their own--
You can grow your own tomatoes too...but most ppl buy them from the store--
"Convenience" is always a very profitable commodity--

 

[headband 707]

I don't think even the small guys have much to worry about--
Dispensaries have charged top dollar successfully...when every single one of their customers are fully legal to grow their own--
You can grow your own tomatoes too...but most ppl buy them from the store--
"Convenience" is always a very profitable commodity--

Yeah but my homegrown tomatoes are sooo much better then the stores LOL LOL.. but he is right most ppl don't gro or know how to gro truly great weed and even when they do they still like to try other types.There will always be a market for this craft or atleast the ones that are good at it. peace out Headband707

 

[Baba Ku]

Wow, terroir is bullshit. tell that to the billion dollar wine industry.

I wouldn't try to tell that to a person in the wine industry, because terrior is absolutely a trait that wine grapes do take on. It is a discernible thing for the wine aficionado and it has valid merit. Did you skip the part I added about it not being a valid concept for cannabis, and why? Try discussing the thing a bit more in depth, and you might just expand your own horizons.

 

[kuk]

do you think the war on terror was created for petrodollars, for american control over a huge econonomical advantage in that hemisphere (america ignores congo, has done for years )

and the isreal problem, who continue to fuck over palestine n gaza with a bulldozer illegaly

who cares... not usa
even tho its against human rights and is there allie

fuck usa and isreal

 

[LastWaltz]

it won't go below $1000 per lb unless it's legalized nationally. so big deal. grow a bunch of 4lbers outside. i can see why someone with a 400 watt cab is whining as they aren't going to be selling their friends 1/8ths anymore as it will be cheaper to buy it or grow it in the sun, which you can once it's legal.

It's already at 800 a pound in van...

 

[kuk]

thats 50 an oz... is that GRADE A or.. grade b/C/D etc???

50 a fuckin oz!!1 can i be friends with you

 

[Chronic Future]

It's all about supply and demand basic economics if you control supply you can control demand the hard part is controlling the supply thats where the feds come in as long as it's illeagle on the federal level prices will stay up and not everybody can grow medicinal quality weed so it's all good I see the demand going through the roof and the supply is pretty much fixed untill all the new growers figure out how to grow medicinal quality weed which is like maybe one to five years for most people I know people that will never be able to grow weed It's alot harder than most people make it out to be It takes major skills to grow real good weed

 

[LastWaltz]

Quoted from the Canada Forum

"The cost of BC outdoor this year(in the Van main marketplace) is down to 800bux, IF(and that is a big IF) you can sell it."

 

[Chronic Future]

It's already at 800 a pound in van...

he's talking about vancouver ganja is hella chep up there.

 

[headband 707]

Quoted from the Canada Forum

"The cost of BC outdoor this year(in the Van main marketplace) is down to 800bux, IF(and that is a big IF) you can sell it."

LOL yeah because outdoor bud SUCKS and no one wants it .. bud goes anywhere from $1000.00lb to $3300.00lb Headband707

 

[el dub]

Blending varitals? I enjoy a good cab/merlot blend as much as the next person. Most wine we currently buy (as consumers) is from Europe, as the U$ wine producers are tending to produce wines with too much alcohol for my taste.

As for terroir...... Many ganja producers don't use the native soil of their growing regions, preferring instead to plant above ground in pots filled with a mix of soil NOT from the property. I'm not sold on the idea that wine terroir translates directly to ganja growing importance.

lw

 

[dagnabit]

LOL yeah because outdoor bud SUCKS and no one wants it .. bud goes anywhere from $1000.00lb to $3300.00lb Headband707

$200.00 for mexi brick

 

[headband 707]

$200.00 for mexi brick

Oh bro I'm talking a pound lol

when you say mexi brick do you mean a pound?? lol As I have had that Mexi brick and it's pretty bad LOL LOL.. they sell it for $40.00 for 5 grams in Playa del Carmen and damn it really sucks lol lol.. Still nice ppl though... peace out Headband707

 

[el dub]

$40/5 grams is tourist price.

$70/kg would be closer to the prices we pay down there.

lw

 

[headband 707]

$40/5 grams is tourist price.

$70/kg would be closer to the prices we pay down there.

lw

Yeah I know our friend wasn't around so we had to go looking lol and this is what we found lol.. Actually you can do a lot better and get some nice bud down there but you definately need to know ppl ,like anywhere I guess peace out Headband707

 

[el dub]

I've paid top prices down south, too. Sometimes the price just doesn't matter.

lw

 

[binaryfission]

I wouldn't try to tell that to a person in the wine industry, because terrior is absolutely a trait that wine grapes do take on. It is a discernible thing for the wine aficionado and it has valid merit. Did you skip the part I added about it not being a valid concept for cannabis, and why? Try discussing the thing a bit more in depth, and you might just expand your own horizons.

Oh i read it i just don't agree. I think the climate and specifically the latitude have a huge impact on cannabis. Of course it won't be the exact same as with wine; cheese isn't either, nor is meat. Cheese is about specific micro organisms that grow in specific caves or specific regions.

You know why NY pizza and bagels are so good? The air. Tiny microorganisms that influence flavor.

There are a myriad of independent forces that make kush grown in afghanistan different from kush grown in Cali. I would call these differences the terroir.

Also, just because NorCal grows in pots doesn't mean that Mexico, Hawaii, Jamaica, Afghanistan, Nepal, or India do. I want cannabis/hashish from all of these places.

The modern construction of terroir – judicial, economic, political and social – is particularly interesting when looked at from the viewpoint of union action. The wine-makers’ unions have clearly been central in building production and commercialisation norms for wine, and in the establishment of Appellations d’Origine. These unions were at their most active in times of economic crisis, stimulated by their confrontations with the other main actors in the trade – the wine-sellers.

A number of perceptions of terroir emerged – terroir associated with a brand, a broad terroir of equivalences, micro-elimitated terroir. The latter has become law, and is defended by wine-makers involved in increasingly dense and efficient networks. In the Côte d’Or, the problem of delimitations involves the confrontation between the complexity of terroirs and the many views held by the professional organisations set up to defend winegrowing regions.

from http://www.burgundy-report.com/spring-2010/a-victory-of-the-unions/

In short, as an agricultural development tool, terroir becomes a kind of code word for the various benefits and normative advantages local” food systems are assumed to hold over their more “globalized” competitors. The relatively new status of cuisine de terroir as one of resistence is made even more explicit in a recent article by Phillip O’Neill and Sarah Whatmore (2000). They discuss it in relation to the success of the Australian luxury hotel, The Convent at Peppertree. Against the banalizing forces of the global marketplace, they quote an article from a British newspaper that observes:
…there is already another force abroad: a counter-reaction in favour of the authentic, the sincere, the accidental, the surprising; in favour, in one way or another, of terroir. In the broadest sense—even in the narrow wine sense—this is not just a French debate.

from http://www2.ucsc.edu/cgirs/conferences/agro/2374893432035342/papers/barham_paper.pdf

and from DJ Short:

My definition of acclimation is: grown in a specific region or circumstance for enough generations (in-line bred) to impart characteristics unique to the region or circumstance–preferably in an
herbal "sweet-spot" such as Highland Oaxaca. This is a very important consideration regarding future resurrection of land race varieties.

He obviously thinks that location matters. Do you have a better system for protecting local farmers? For protecting these people in the third world; Where cannabis has been part of their culture for a few hundred, if not thousands of years....

What is your alternative, anyone? Most of you have offered negative criticism, which is cool. Its needed. But does anyone have a viable alternative? I know this idea isn't perfect but would any of you like to share your idea? Feel free to link your thread here.

 

[headband 707]

DJ Shorts is right as far as being close to the equator and the sweet bud you can grow and get from that part of the world no one can beat this. BUT LOL there is indoor here in BC that is very nice and I would not throw it away for anyone lol.. Climate has a hugh effect but if the economy sucks and you can't get the product out then where does that leave you? As far as the money part Treating Yourself Mag did a great article about how much it really costs to grow and all things considered with the price of electricity for 1000 watt light and ferts it works out to $70.00 an oz. here in Canada for what we pay for electricity. Obvioulsly if you pay more for electricity it would cost more and if you do it outside then your laughin. peace out Headband707

 

[binaryfission]

Forgot the best "source" i found. .pdf about Saskatchewan going local with terroir. There is more than one similarity to California and or some of the other places I have mentioned else where on the globe.

Abstract
Some argue that the food industry is mature and also dying. As a result, Saskatchewan, a Canadian province and its agricultural
communities face two major challenges: demographic pressures and the economic hardships that stem from them.
Fortunately, increased demand and opportunity for quality, locally grown value-added products (Terroir) offer an obvious
solution. The Terroir phenomenon is comprised of offering specialty, local, ethnic food products to respond to consumer
demands. This case study presents a model involving the Terroir concept. This model also provides an opportunity to
explore the concept of creative capitalism in the food industry. To increase producer options, the strength of their business
model, help to revitalize agricultural communities and benefit Saskatchewan, the Fransaskoisie will create a Terroir-based
organization to tie products with culture. By incorporating this new product model and business model, the organization
will create new business and cultural opportunities in Saskatchewan. A strategy and some challenges are presented.

from he-yah.

@headband707 - I understand its cheap that is the issue. People right now can't diffrentiate between cheap indoor BC and lovely greenhouse or outdoor. (ICMAggers can, I would assume, but the population in general can not.) This is a problem. Mass-produced commercial bud is mistaken for medicinal herb grown by people who care; this will force the market into a downward spiral chasing a lower price. We want them to look for quality and not be afraid to spend on it.
Terroir, helps them differentiate from a $70 dollar ounce and a $100 one. We need to make sure that the hundred dollar ounce is priced as such because of "the various benefits and normative advantages local” food systems" "hold over their more “globalized” competitors." as opposed to being hyped by a marketing campaign to increase its perceived value. People should use their dollar, as a vote, for products which taste better or are better for you or better for the community, not because Vida Guerra or Justin Beiber said so.


rambling but...

Check the link in this post its a nice can opener.