Huge Trouble Starting SSH Seeds in Soil
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I don't like any kind of plugs made from anything but soil, personally. You can get into trouble when your plug holds water differently from the substrate, making it hard to keep a consistently good moisture level.
Also, once your babys sprout, get a fan on them blowing very lightly.
Also, once your babys sprout, get a fan on them blowing very lightly.
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Iron_Lion
I agree 100%, this is why I am ready to toss the rapid rooters I had tried for cloning. They are like sponges and they are always too wet or too dry.
Another thing I dont like about plugs is clones rooted in them, then planted and grown to completetion arent solid at the base like plants grown from start directly in soil. The spongey plug doesnt break down, it surrounds the very core of the root system where the roots are thickest and strongest and never lets them in direct contact with the soil.
This an RR's arent 100% organic and that is bad enough.
Iron Lion, you need a widger!
It's a little transplanting device that lets you start seeds in soil and move them to a new container or into the ground. It picks up just enough dirt along with the sprout. Kind of a spoon crossed with a knife. With a widger, I can start seeds for a whole garden in a flat tray of dirt - way more than you can fit in those flats with cells. For cannabis though, I've been filling small pots with soil and throwing them in the flower room until they sprout.
For rooting, I have done well of late using calcined DE (Napa auto parts 8822). You drop in the cut, and when it's done you just pull. The cut and the roots come out, and the roots don't get damaged. You can rinse off the DE.
Put some dirt in the palm of your hand, spread the roots out into it, and cradle it as you add soil. When you pull out your hand, the roots will be spread out in the soil, not all clumped together. Then you want to water it in, but make sure you hold the clone as it will sink down otherwise. Bare root transplants are easy once you get the hang of it, and the DE gives you a nice tough root mass to work with. I had a plant in a humidity tray with DE as the substrate, and the roots grew down through the drainage. The mass below was like a white afro.
It's a little transplanting device that lets you start seeds in soil and move them to a new container or into the ground. It picks up just enough dirt along with the sprout. Kind of a spoon crossed with a knife. With a widger, I can start seeds for a whole garden in a flat tray of dirt - way more than you can fit in those flats with cells. For cannabis though, I've been filling small pots with soil and throwing them in the flower room until they sprout.
For rooting, I have done well of late using calcined DE (Napa auto parts 8822). You drop in the cut, and when it's done you just pull. The cut and the roots come out, and the roots don't get damaged. You can rinse off the DE.
Put some dirt in the palm of your hand, spread the roots out into it, and cradle it as you add soil. When you pull out your hand, the roots will be spread out in the soil, not all clumped together. Then you want to water it in, but make sure you hold the clone as it will sink down otherwise. Bare root transplants are easy once you get the hang of it, and the DE gives you a nice tough root mass to work with. I had a plant in a humidity tray with DE as the substrate, and the roots grew down through the drainage. The mass below was like a white afro.
by now you've figured it out
otherwise
seed starter mix or rapid rooter only
as long as the rr is moist not soaked, no problems... pipettes are handy to have around for this
otherwise
seed starter mix or rapid rooter only
as long as the rr is moist not soaked, no problems... pipettes are handy to have around for this
all these save the three on the right, the mother bottom left center, and the clone top left were seeds started directly in my regular mix ferts and all, the same one they are in all the way to harvest. Blue satellite, 8 miles high, mandala 1, and assorted skunkman freebies. Balanced and active soil will not burn seedlings, and it will see you through.
I just use biotone. nothing fancy. maybe some neptune's and some soluble seaweed.
I use this, with a slight twist.I have noticed variances from bale to bale of Promix, so I add ewc.perlite & dolo, tender with some LK@ tsp/per and it works a charm.
Peace,
SSM
Peace,
SSM
Everybody has a different environment,so the method that each person develops has a lot to do with that. Humidity,temp,lighting,medium,etc. For example,being that I'm in the PNW I don't need a dome for my clones. I'm not in an arid environment like a desert so my seedlings/clones won't transpire as much. Every medium has it's moisture level learning curve. I also go with sterile items to start seeds indoors after several years of environmental mishaps,it just seems that everything that crawls,flies,spores,etc. is trying to eat them. I can't use the rooting plugs for clones,they just don't work out for my environment,but they are perfect for seeds.
Outside I can plant seeds in the native ground and they always seem to come up with no attention at all.
Outside I can plant seeds in the native ground and they always seem to come up with no attention at all.
What does that last part mean? LK = Liquid Karma or something? That's a guess.
Thanks by the way.
I like that for clones, but with seedlings I feel like they should pass some kind of test. Sometimes though, you have to go sterile. I had a bag of skunk x haze that were so tiny and feeble as germs that they had to be coddled. Sometimes with these genetics you feel like you are doing tissue culture, not working with viable organisms.
Weak selections with these varieties over the years no doubt led to some types needing to be babied. There is the indoor/outdoor difference though.
As far as passing a test....that comes later as I beat the crap out of them in a cycle to see if they can deal.
S
Savoir-faire
Glad you have gotten alot out of it. Many a good reply here. To expand on the "6 pack" it is a small rectangular tray with 2 rows of 3 little seed starting cups. Get em at nurseries or farm supply stores.
Reason i like them is this: If following my method of using promix (which is i think the simplest way.. why mess with it if it works out of the bag) Promix is a sterile, neutral mix.. with little if any nutes in there. (as i said earlier it is just peat/verm/perl with the doli lime - and yes you could easily replicate this.. buttt, i for one.. don't know how much lime is needed to neutralize just peat/perl.. i use the ratio's given for LC's mix to balance the mix after adding all the amendments - so i stick to wat works) So this works out for the seedling (they don't want any nutrients at this early a stage) and it works out for the size container.. because by the time the seedling is old enough to want nutrients, it will have outgrown the 6 pack and be ready for a step up.
Cautious guy that I am, my next step after 6 pack is 1 gal. containers filled with a simple mix (still no real nute value besides compost+slow release dusts): 1/3peat, 1/3 compost, 1/3 perl, + doli@ 1 cup per cu.ft. (7.5 gal) + 1 cup per of equal parts of rock dusts (greensand, tenn. brown phos, granite meal, azomite,) sprinkle a little kelp meal and a little food grade D.E. and I let em rock in there till they want some food + i feel they can handle the ferted mix.. then ferted mix in 3 gall. it is.
oh yeah.. and the 6 packs.. search google with "6 pack seed tray" under images you will see a number of examples.. I use the smaller holed ones.. i'd say they are about 2x2.
Reason i like them is this: If following my method of using promix (which is i think the simplest way.. why mess with it if it works out of the bag) Promix is a sterile, neutral mix.. with little if any nutes in there. (as i said earlier it is just peat/verm/perl with the doli lime - and yes you could easily replicate this.. buttt, i for one.. don't know how much lime is needed to neutralize just peat/perl.. i use the ratio's given for LC's mix to balance the mix after adding all the amendments - so i stick to wat works) So this works out for the seedling (they don't want any nutrients at this early a stage) and it works out for the size container.. because by the time the seedling is old enough to want nutrients, it will have outgrown the 6 pack and be ready for a step up.
Cautious guy that I am, my next step after 6 pack is 1 gal. containers filled with a simple mix (still no real nute value besides compost+slow release dusts): 1/3peat, 1/3 compost, 1/3 perl, + doli@ 1 cup per cu.ft. (7.5 gal) + 1 cup per of equal parts of rock dusts (greensand, tenn. brown phos, granite meal, azomite,) sprinkle a little kelp meal and a little food grade D.E. and I let em rock in there till they want some food + i feel they can handle the ferted mix.. then ferted mix in 3 gall. it is.
oh yeah.. and the 6 packs.. search google with "6 pack seed tray" under images you will see a number of examples.. I use the smaller holed ones.. i'd say they are about 2x2.
My apologies and Yes, it's Liquid Karma.
if a compost is "hot" then its not fully composted yet imo. i can go out and buy what most farmers around here would consider "good compost" and it actually is crap. literally... mostly manure.
well my point was if it burned the veggies, or stalled them. its too much for cannabis seedling.
that being said i grow cannabis seeds in my compost all the time,
but an easy seedling mix is
1 part compost( i guess ill have to say homemade now)
1 part coarse sand
enough perlite or rice hulls to your liking.
well my point was if it burned the veggies, or stalled them. its too much for cannabis seedling.
that being said i grow cannabis seeds in my compost all the time,
but an easy seedling mix is
1 part compost( i guess ill have to say homemade now)
1 part coarse sand
enough perlite or rice hulls to your liking.
That's why I like seed starter. Peat, a little lime, perlite and no compost.
I second what Jay said. Proper compost/EWC cannot burn cannabis.
It will kill the hell out of drosera though.
It will kill the hell out of drosera though.
